TTEdge Executing Table Tennis Shots Series!

[ttmonster]

You are welcome Brett , thank you for sharing , the app really looks promising !

 

[Brett Clarke]

Hey Brett, I figured out that when the ball had past, it is too late. As I said, the thing that made me most curious was, I had times where the ball was going to the BH side and I accidentally tapped the FH side and IT SCORED ME AS GETTING IT CORRECT WITH THE HIGHEST BONUS. But there were many times that I was correct and pretty darn early in the flight of the ball where it didn't register.

I have also had times where both fingers tapped and it marked me CORRECT. [emoji2]

But it is possible that my screen is wonky. I actually don't normally play games on my phone and definitely wasn't fussed by it or the score. I was having fun trying to see the tells on the different shots like the hips, the arm and the blade face.


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Hi Carl and ttmonster,

Once the ball is past you, the next window starts.

We are working on an update based on your feedback. Can you guys both confirm that the sensitivity issue occurs only on Level 1? We ran some tests on level 1 and we could replicate your sensitivity concerns. Note sure when apple will release the update as it's the first one. We're also adding a flash to represent when a touch occurs.

Carl, it's not your phone. I can play levels >2 on some pretty bad phones and it works fine. The higher the level, the higher the sensitivity for various technical reasons. I expect you'll be having a better user experience soon.

Thanks again, Brett

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

FYI Brett, after I noticed something seemed odd, I did a few tests.

I would choose a side, left thumb or right (BH or FH). And press on that side exclusively through the duration of the game. I was making it so that, regardless of which side the ball was going to, I was tapping as close to the contact point as possible.

So that was pretty easy to make sure that the tap was during the flight of the ball and close after contact. And again, the thing that was most interesting was, when I tapped on one side and the ball went to the other side and I got credited for a correct answer.

For me, I only noticed this in levels 2 and 3. Not in level 1.

I did notice in games I played that double taps sometimes got credited as correct also.


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[Brett Clarke]

FYI Brett, after I noticed something seemed odd, I did a few tests.

I would choose a side, left thumb or right (BH or FH). And press on that side exclusively through the duration of the game. I was making it so that, regardless of which side the ball was going to, I was tapping as close to the contact point as possible.

So that was pretty easy to make sure that the tap was during the flight of the ball and close after contact. And again, the thing that was most interesting was, when I tapped on one side and the ball went to the other side and I got credited for a correct answer.

For me, I only noticed this in levels 2 and 3. Not in level 1.

I did notice in games I played that double taps sometimes got credited as correct also.


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Haha, Thanks Carl, none of that can be replicated on any device, so maybe your phone does have some issues. The only issue we could find was the sensitivity on level 1.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Haha, Thanks Carl, none of that can be replicated on any device, so maybe your phone does have some issues. The only issue we could find was the sensitivity on level 1.

It is possible. I am hard on my things and have had this phone for over a year.


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[Brett Clarke]

The first update is available for Android users and it's waiting for approval on IOS. After installing the update, you'll get feedback after you make your selection as a flash will appear. It also helps slightly with some of the sensitivity issues on lower levels. There are no sensitivity issues on level 3>. Just make sure you don't click when the ball is behind you as it will count for the next shot. I watched a beginner play and they clicked when the ball was behind them on every shot.

 

[Brett Clarke]

Here is my latest video in the Learning Table Tennis Series.

 

[ttmonster]

Here is my latest video in the Learning Table Tennis Series.

Thanks Brett !! This is really great ! I hope to resolve some my shoulder issues while playing backhand from this exercise.

 

[Brett Clarke]

Thanks Brett !! This is really great ! I hope to resolve some my shoulder issues while playing backhand from this exercise.

Thanks ttmonster. I'm glad you liked it and if it helps you to relax a little and take some pressure off your shoulder, all the better.

 

[Brett Clarke]

Here is part 2 of the Punch Serve with NextLevel.

 

[NextLevel]

I hope people are still playing the App and have downloaded the last updates. The BH module is a nightmare compared to the forehand module.

 

[ttmonster]

I gave up on it on my eyePhoneV because on level 3 the buttons get active a shot slower , so I have to actually press for the last shot , I guess my phone is too old ...

I hope people are still playing the App and have downloaded the last updates. The BH module is a nightmare compared to the forehand module.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Here is part 2 of the Punch Serve with NextLevel.

Brett, the motion of your wrist in this video is a cool and interesting one. I never really though of trying that. I will. But I use a totally different wrist movement for my hook, or punch--or whatever they are--serves.

I am going to see if I can upload some creative videos to show where the wrist comes from in them and how I am thinking about it. For me it is more like what you do playing the drums when you hit a crash symbol.

If I can, I will show it first with a drum stick. Then with my racket. The trick for me will be to figure out how to mount my phone to video it. Or hopefully I can get someone to film it for me. I don't think I can do the action while filming it. LOL.

One of the things that, to me is interesting is, the motion I am using is VERY short, but the acceleration and top speed is pretty fast because of how the wrist snaps.

But I have been playing with another way of doing the hook that Mark Croitoroo just showed me. It is really like a totally different serve. And it is pretty nice too.


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[UpSideDownCarl]

Video with drumstick:

Video with racket:

And, yes, I am holding my phone with the other hand to film. But that is why that serve has such good spin and why it is hard to see when I vary the spin. With the drumstick, when I did it, I can hear the stick making a wind sound through the air. My arm is at a different angle when I serve than in the video. But the action from the wrist and forearm is the same regardless of the angle of the arm.


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[Brett Clarke]

Hi Carl, that is the motion I try to teach people to play all of their shots. It's all in this video and most other videos I make.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Hi Carl, that is the motion I try to teach people to play all of their shots. It's all in this video and most other videos I make.

The funny thing is, I remember, a few years ago, figuring out that that sort of whip and snap, was why I got such good spin on that serve. But, until recently, I couldn't get that same kind of snap on my pendulum even thought the pendulum was always decent. Now I am getting more of that whipping action in it.

But this video gives me some good ideas about how to hit my FH more like LL Beary.

 

[Brett Clarke]

This is what LL Beary was doing today!

 

[Persistence TT]

nextlevel's serve although it doesnt have wrist snap is quite deceptive and the spin quantity/type can be easily hidden. it reminds me quite a lot of par gerrell's serve

 

[NextLevel]

The funny thing is, I remember, a few years ago, figuring out that that sort of whip and snap, was why I got such good spin on that serve. But, until recently, I couldn't get that same kind of snap on my pendulum even thought the pendulum was always decent. Now I am getting more of that whipping action in it.

But this video gives me some good ideas about how to hit my FH more like LL Beary.

IMHO, for you, it's largely the grip on that forehand. It's set up in a way that gives you good hook but it locks the wrist a bit more than some people think. IF you were a full bodied looping player, you could probably get away with it.

What you do with your wrist and what Brett does are not as different as you think, obviously. There are reasons why it looks different, and reasons why Brett's usage may be at a higher level than yours, but the overall idea is the same. On this serve, I am trying to come round the side of the ball and the paddle angle is a bit more horizontal than yours so that is what drives the different appearance.

The level of sidespin is massive. The last time I used to get this level of sidespin relative to my spin ability was when I was 1500 and improving my backhand serves. That's when I started learning that spin isn't everything and it was worth reducing the spin in order to be able to handle the ball sometimes, though the threat of the heavy spin was always something to keep around for certain points. When I used to get this level of sidespin on balls and my opponent pushed the return, I would push the next ball right off the table sideways or long.

For me, I discovered this whip thing while practicing high toss serves when I was doing through one of my 1800-1700 dip periods. Once I figured it out though, or something like it, I just stopped having bad losses to pips players.

 

[NextLevel]

nextlevel's serve although it doesnt have wrist snap is quite deceptive and the spin quantity/type can be easily hidden. it reminds me quite a lot of par gerrell's serve

I took the whip off to get the paddle orientation right. If I use whip, my default is to hold the paddle more vertically like Carl. So I am trying to still have the top of the paddle pointing forward largely throughout the serve while having a loose wrist for whip. May post something tomorrow if it comes out right.