Video Footage Safe Thread

[NextLevel]

i can do a short,low backspin serve which comes back to the net now..
what do you think i should do now to develop my pendulums serve?

Share the video of what you can do so that people can understand your capabilities with data, not with abstractions that don't show what you can actually do.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

hmm, do you think i should switch to a short stroke serve like fan?

I would say, learn to serve without thinking you are imitating the pros. Watch the video NextLevel posted from Brett Clarke and see if you can focus on how your racket contacts the ball and how you get the racket head to accelerate so the racket is moving fast with spin contact.....that is probably what would benefit you when you practice serves.

You copying pros will have you doing other movements that your body may not understand. Those movements probably won't have anything to do with how your racket meets the ball. And that is really the number 1 issue in a serve.

 

[Mikey_TT]

alright thanks

 

[Der_Echte]

Yeah, what Carl and Next level sayed.

 

[omelet]

Hey all,

Been still working on that backhand. This is more against no-spin and underspin against long pips. Wonder if previous comments on my backhand on this thread were corrected in these strokes. I included some not perfect form ones to show how my form reverts to old habits when not ready too. Im still working on incorporating a little hopping a bit after each stroke to get ready for next ball.

[Also this can video has 60 fps so using < > buttons after pausing or slower speed can show form more easily.]

Any comments/comments/criticisms welcome.

 

[NextLevel]

Hey all,

Been still working on that backhand. This is more against no-spin and underspin against long pips. Wonder if previous comments on my backhand on this thread were corrected in these strokes. I included some not perfect form ones to show how my form reverts to old habits when not ready too. Im still working on incorporating a little hopping a bit after each stroke to get ready for next ball.

[Also this can video has 60 fps so using < > buttons after pausing or slower speed can show form more easily.]

Any comments/comments/criticisms welcome.

How do you *feel* about the stroke? Do you think it is any different?

 

[Der_Echte]

I see the use of lower arm going on... maybe impact a little too in front of zone, maybe could allow ball to drop a little more to make you get waist down a little more... vs the no spinner, bend forward on waist more take bat not below man zone but on top and maybe left of man zone.

 

[Jslick89]

Hey all,

Been still working on that backhand. This is more against no-spin and underspin against long pips. Wonder if previous comments on my backhand on this thread were corrected in these strokes. I included some not perfect form ones to show how my form reverts to old habits when not ready too. Im still working on incorporating a little hopping a bit after each stroke to get ready for next ball.

[Also this can video has 60 fps so using < > buttons after pausing or slower speed can show form more easily.]

Any comments/comments/criticisms welcome.

that looks like a fun place to play! where is that? do you guys have to set up all the barriers each time? that might be a hassle but worth it to play in such a nice facility!

 

[Der_Echte]

@Jslick89 you are gunna get your chance to perform in a big gym this upcoming Saturday and the team captain is gunna put you and Ali into singles play EARLY in the team vs team matchup to ensure you get your chances to contribute in a big time teams competition in such a gym. You all paid (or gunna pay the money) so you gunna get ur chances to contribute. Expect a minumum of two me penciling you both in singles for at least 2 of the team vs team matchups in group stage.

Maybe YOU could post something up here of you match footage of singles going to battle in a big gym with crappy light, floor and walls.

 

[Jslick89]

@Jslick89 you are gunna get your chance to perform in a big gym this upcoming Saturday and the team captain is gunna put you and Ali into singles play EARLY in the team vs team matchup to ensure you get your chances to contribute in a big time teams competition in such a gym. You all paid (or gunna pay the money) so you gunna get ur chances to contribute. Expect a minumum of two me penciling you both in singles for at least 2 of the team vs team matchups in group stage.

Maybe YOU could post something up here of you match footage of singles going to battle in a big gym with crappy light, floor and walls.

I'm ready for some action bro! I had a good showing at folsom on sunday. Took down Murad in 3. Apparently his stomach was hurting or something but a win is a win in my book. Even got a game on Dean (almost 2 games actually). This slower set up i'm using now seems to be doing the trick.

I'll bring the tri-pod to the tournament so i can get some crappy light footage ha ha ha.

 

[disaster3]

Ok, as mentioned my practice today, I’m maintaining all videos so will upload one by one.
What is worth to mentioned this is my 2nd try with Donic Persson PowerPlay with black Donic bluestorm Z3 on BG and boosted FastArc G-1 red on FH.

First video is FH drive and in the middle FH loop. Stay tuned 😉 all comments appreciated 😀

BH drive

Some drills. Clarification what has to be played.
I receive long underspin in the middle and should open it up from FH, then receive to my bh and 1st bh loop is diagonally 2nd straight to the line. In middle of video next item will be added after my 2nd loop to my coach FH he blocks me diagonally to my FH and have to finish with my FH loop… ufff it was long 😉

One more

2 sets

https://youtu.be/ilXE38lCKnQ?feature=shared

 

[NextLevel]

Ok, as mentioned my practice today, I’m maintaining all videos so will upload one by one.
What is worth to mentioned this is my 2nd try with Donic Persson PowerPlay with black Donic bluestorm Z3 on BG and boosted FastArc G-1 red on FH.

First video is FH drive and in the middle FH loop. Stay tuned 😉 all comments appreciated 😀

BH drive

Some drills. Clarification what has to be played.
I receive long underspin in the middle and should open it up from FH, then receive to my bh and 1st bh loop is diagonally 2nd straight to the line. In middle of video next item will be added after my 2nd loop to my coach FH he blocks me diagonally to my FH and have to finish with my FH loop… ufff it was long 😉

One more

2 sets

https://youtu.be/ilXE38lCKnQ?feature=shared

I think you have a whip/fingers problem. I will explain in the other thread, your from looks good but I suspect your quality is lower than it should be.

 

[Mikey_TT]

Footage of Next Level and Der_Echte from many years ago. We are both likely a LOT better level right now.

Der_Echte is the dude who is glow in hte dark light skinned, the one talking a lot (insteady of playing), the one trying to make belly big enough to run Santa out of a job, etc.

Anyone doubting Next Level's level, he beet R. Dewitt, a very prominant 2200 level player on 3 hrs sleep just hours after this vid.

Here is the thread.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...r_Echte-in-NYC&p=120767&viewfull=1#post120767

i know i am like veryy late, but isn’t your serve illegal since the hand is in the way?

 

[NextLevel]

Ok, as mentioned my practice today, I’m maintaining all videos so will upload one by one.
What is worth to mentioned this is my 2nd try with Donic Persson PowerPlay with black Donic bluestorm Z3 on BG and boosted FastArc G-1 red on FH.

First video is FH drive and in the middle FH loop. Stay tuned 😉 all comments appreciated 😀

BH drive

Some drills. Clarification what has to be played.
I receive long underspin in the middle and should open it up from FH, then receive to my bh and 1st bh loop is diagonally 2nd straight to the line. In middle of video next item will be added after my 2nd loop to my coach FH he blocks me diagonally to my FH and have to finish with my FH loop… ufff it was long 😉

One more

2 sets

https://youtu.be/ilXE38lCKnQ?feature=shared

I think in general, I don't feel you are using the lower arm all the way from the elbow downwards with maximum effect. There doesn't seem to be enough whip on the ball, it might be because you are not consistently trying to form the stroke relative to your elbow in exactly the same way more consistently, it might be because you haven't practiced giving quality to the ball with your fingers. But unless you are misreading the spin completely, you should be getting much more spin on those pushes and even the other shots. I think if you practiced serving with the fingers and the lower arm and playing topspin and pushing with the fingers and lower arm with a focus on shaping the ball to get quality, your spin quality would go up on all these shots. Because the form looks good (except on some of the pushes) but the effect isn't always safe with quality.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

@disaster3

i've looked at your videos.
I don't know when you started playing but you're working hard with your coach, good job !
I'm sure you get already plenty of good advice from your coach but if you are looking for another opinion, here's mine:

- during the drills, I liked the amount of spin on your FH, and your timing. its unfortunate the arc is often too high.

- during the drills, I think the overall form of your FH and BH is ok, its now about getting into details. As someone mentioned, there is the use of the free arm which is important. Personally i think its very important to keep both shoulders in front of you especially when playing BH. you should make like a circle. it creates space for the backswing and there is a better balance. Be careful on your balance when executing BH, it looks like too often you're on one leg only.

- the overall impression during the drills is that you are too stiff. You're making a very good job at staying low and trying to hit the ball forward. Thats great.
but the feeling is that your legs feel heavy and you're not able to move quickly. During the drills you know where the ball is going, but as we can see in the 2mns set, when there is uncertainty you're not moving well.
So my main advice I have at the moment, is to relax and focus on moving and feeling "light". Imagine you're a boxer on a ring always on the move. Always get in the proper position. Prioritize that on everything else. It could confuse you and alter your timing at first, taking the ball less early and force you to play slower. But even if you take the ball later, think about putting quality in the ball, good contact putting spin. in FH you're doing quite well in the drill, but on BH side, its still too much hitting v brushing

- during the match, i feel your serve / receive needs still a lot to work on. Don't neglect it. So try to find the good balance during your training. Your time practicing with your coach or your partners is limited, and its impossible to work on everything at the same time. Anyway any good practice isn't lost and will pay later. We can also see during the match that you end up hitting the ball too much instead of brushing it compared to drills. thats because of bad habits and because you are being "rushed"

Keep on fighting !

 

[disaster3]

Thank you all for you comments. I really appreciate it. Your are right, if I try to do something I always try to give 110% and I’m not looking around for excuse, this also stretched me much as we want to give more. As we know in all sports to be relaxed and not tight favors a lot. I need to work on it and outside the table too. When I’m watching again my videos I see now what you meant about good balance, not working my free arm, more hitting than brushing probably due to tight wrist and not working fingers… you know small adjustments taken together make a big disaster

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

i know i am like veryy late, but isn’t your serve illegal since the hand is in the way?

Mikey, first, have you read the first post in this thread? If you have not, I recommend you do so. The first post in this thread informs people who can and cannot comment on TT play in the thread. Here, I will quote the first post so it is here too:

This thread is for forum members to post footage of yourself. This is different than a regular thread. I will moderate this thread heavily. Anyone can post footage. But the only people who can comment on the footage are people who have been specifically selected because they are players who are able to give useful commentary.

These are the players who can give commentary on video footage:

1) Baal
2) Der_Echte
3) NDH
4) Richie
5) Lula
6) NextLevel
7) Brs
8) Takkyu_wa_inochi
9) Tinykin
10) pingpongpaddy
11) Tony's Table Tennis
12) Victor Moraga
13) cytivrat
14) ander999


Anyone can post footage. However, if anyone not on the list above tries to post commentary on footage, that commentary will be deleted. If someone presents commentary to me via PM for posting, and I deem it okay to post, I may make exceptions to this every so often. I also am reserving the right to edit the list and add if I decide someone is capable of making good, insightful commentary.

Hopefully, this will make it so people feel comfortable posting footage of themselves for people on the forum to see and get to know each other without feeling like the commentary that happens after posting footage is uncalled for. Also, if you wanted to post footage but would prefer nobody comments on the footage you present, you can ask that. I will help make that happen as well.


Again, comments from people who are not on the list above will get deleted.

Basically, it says only the people on that list should comment on footage. But, if instead, you are asking the question of whether Der or NL's serves are legal:

I have a feeling you are being fooled by camera angles. If you were standing in the position the person receiving the serve is, you would see the contact point clearly from either NextLevel or Der_Echte. There would also be no point during the toss where the ball was blocked from your view. His arm is not actually in the way even though it may look like that when he is on the far side of the table. But that is because of the angle of the camera. His arm is not in between the ball and NextLevel's line of site. And from that camera angle, any pendulum or reverse pendulum (forehand) type serve would look like something is blocking the ball. But the camera is not at the vantage from which the receiver is seeing the ball.

I have played both and both have good serves and serve legally. Actually, if you look at that footage, I am sitting on the right side of the screen next to PingPongHolic who is closer to the camera than I am.

Those are legal serves. Look at Der's serves when he is on the side of the table closer to the camera.

 

[Der_Echte]

Hi Carl,

I purposely stayed silent on the dispute of my serve, hoping he would realize some of the obvious things you pointed out.

Even more interesting in the light that this is after I gave him effective advice about how to serve short with spin and how to serve in general.

I am secure and confident in my serves, both legality and effectiveness for my level and above. Yes it is funny as all letout that he chose to comment on a vid from 10 yrs ago where you were courtside right there. Edmund Seun was also there laughing hiz azz off too.

Heck 2/3 of the active Goon Squad at the time was there and didn't mumify me for my serves of choice of company... I guess Carl you would be obligated to edit my post if I hijack it with Goon Squad adventures, so I will stop at that.

 

[turbozed]

I've just started learning how to BH loop with my new coach. Before this my backhands were mostly just blocks or drives as my previous coach never really taught me the BH loop technique.

This is my third session really working on it. I don't want to ingrain any bad technique issues so I'd like some feedback on what I should correct at this early stage. Some things that I noticed:

1. My technique is not smooth looking at all
2. I sometimes reach out and punch the ball when I want to add power, and end up smacking the ball into the net
3. I sometimes do not follow through
4. My wrist and the blade angle is not stable through the stroke
5. I sometimes hit the underside/backside of the ball and it goes long
Also, it looks like I'm only getting minor spin on the ball and am hitting through the ball more than brushing. Should I be developing a more spinny BH loop, or is it fine to train this more hitting style of stroke?

Any comments welcome. Thanks!

 

[Der_Echte]

This is a BH vs a medium energy ball... and these balls are coming in kinda high.

You can always make an argument for more spin on the BH shot, but if ball is high, hitting is a good safe pressure shot.

If you are firming real hard right at impact, you are not gunna have a big follow through... but on balls with a softer grip pressure at impact, you should see you follow through be longer.

Reaching out too far to impact the ball comes from misjudging the ball arrival time or misjudging your position. You get those right, then it won't be an issue.

You do have a lot fo flippy floppy wrist going on... if you can time that well, then your shot doesn't suffer and you can get pace. Thing is, it is difficult to time that use of wrist at high power. Much easier power can come from allowing ball to come to your strike zone, use lower arm and smaller amount of wrist and firm up right at impact, use a short stroke. You will see your ball move out at a high speed and you made it look easy.

Many coaches have professional disagreements on how to respond to a ball with your BH. The high level coaches who train national level kids will nearly all say to move up, take the ball real early and do a fast loop.

I am often in major disagreement for being the only option. One can get down a little more, drop bat some more, and keep wrist loose and make a slower, high spin ball that will trouble even advanced players. Spin gives safety and it is always good to be able to spin.

Many TT players and coaches seem to think spin is some offensive 4 letter wird that starts with an S... since I do not observe so many players spinning it up and see fewer coaches teaching or advocating this.