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Finally, below is a sample of my actual match play ( non-competition ):

My opponent uses both side inverted. Donic M2 FH and Rozena on BH
 
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Finally, below is a sample of my actual match play ( non-competition ):

My opponeny uses both side inverted. Donic M2 FH and Rozena on BH

Hi Gozo, Great video you posted as usual. Your improvement over the year is wonderful. You have worked hard and gotten results.

In the match it seems to me you have a mind-body problem. You want to be an attacking player. The strokes you have practiced are attacking strokes. But your body wants to back away like a more defensive player. It's very difficult to play your high-quality practice strokes with your weight going back.

For examples:

https://youtu.be/np9lssZAPLA?t=1035 you are backing away as you hit a backhand. You don't seem that pressured, more like it is a habit.

Your serve recovery resembles mine. That is not a good thing. Recovery is the key to play a strong shot on the third ball. Here you recover well and play a nice backhand from a stable platform. https://youtu.be/np9lssZAPLA?t=1131. But here you recover less well, and have further to go, with unfortunate results. https://youtu.be/np9lssZAPLA?t=1152

Like most of us, you could be better prepared to play your best shots if you took more small steps during each rally. Telling yourself to lean forward, or stay on your toes, while true, doesn't really work if your body decides it would fall over were it to obey your mind on that. Looking at it positively -- imo significant and rapid improvement in your match results is ready and waiting for you, as soon as you can make your body position a bit closer to what you do in training. Easy Peasy.

 
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I normally stand one arm from the table, but....
The ball from your video, hit the table in the middle of your side. But if the ball goes near to the bottom line you will be in trouble if you stand too close.
You can touch the ball in any position you want, but is recommended "Top of the Bounce" so your distance from the table will change depending of the Bounce on your side.
Sometimes, I like to let the ball fall a little bit to make a heavy topspin or sidespin.
But my Coach will tell me "Top of the Bounce Victor 😄"

FYI: Victor Moraga is on the list of people who can give constructive comments about people's technique.

 
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Hello once again a Happy New Year!

To USDC, thanks for liking my vid.

To Victor, Congrats on the win at US Open. Did you have prior play experience before taking on Stellan as your coach? I meant to say, did you start from scratch with Stellan or did you have prior experience? I do find the irony: Your coach is a shake-hand player coaching a C-Pen playerlike yourself whereas mine is the opposite, my coach is a J-Pen player ( no BH rubber ) coaching a shake-hand player. Irony isn't it?

To Brs, A super like to you for taking time to watch the whole video and help to analyze it. Super super massive like for you from me.

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A little context to the video. In this session, I played three players but I only took video for this particular one match. Two of the players, including this gentleman in the video uses conventional setup, that is, shake-hand with both side inverted rubber. From the video, you will notice his playstyle ( and this is also applicable the other player whom I did not video earlier ). is rather flaccid. They don't really attack hard and aggressive. They look like those old uncles whom we can beat easily. However, it is difficult for me to play them because:

1. They have very good hand feeling and able to place the ball near the white line all over the table. Many a times, I almost misjudge it to be an out of play ball but land near the edge of the table.

2. They have very good placement skill and is able to make me run all over the table thus always negating me from using my strong shot. Many a times, I get caught on the wrong footing thus unable to use the proper body mechanics to commence my strong shots.

3. The video is not doing the whole scenario justice as from my vantage point, the video appear 2D. However in essence, they are good at making me going all over the place.

4. Contrast this with a player I played earlier who is not so good. This particular player uses one side inverted and one side long pimple. I was able to beat him 3-0. When faced with a lower level player, who is not skillful to do all the above tactics mentioned above, I am able to execute my strong stroke and win.

5. With regards to service, whereas for a lower skilled player, they tend to allow me to take 3-4 pts from them through my service and this increase my chance of winning astronomically. Unfortunately against strong players, who can receive my service well, I will be at severe disadvantage.

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Unfortunately against strong players, who can receive my service well, I will be at severe disadvantage.

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You are not alone in this. This is how other WR top 10 men would describe playing ML in his prime, for example.

About your point #2 -- against a player with these skills and style you have to get the initiative right away. Not win the point on third ball, that's typically impossible versus a blocker, only get them to react to you so they can't place their block with precision. If you are reacting to them all the time they will usually win. Working your way into the point slowly with a few pushes can work but it's not a great approach to this opponent. That's why I emphasized recovery after your own serve (well, that and because I had terrible difficulty with it myself so PTSD a bit). If you can put this guy under consistent pressure eventually his mental discipline will crack and he will start to go for ambitious blocks and attacks that he can't really achieve, just trying to take your pressure off.

 
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You are not alone in this. This is how other WR top 10 men would describe playing ML in his prime, for example.

About your point #2 -- against a player with these skills and style you have to get the initiative right away. Not win the point on third ball, that's typically impossible versus a blocker, only get them to react to you so they can't place their block with precision. If you are reacting to them all the time they will usually win. Working your way into the point slowly with a few pushes can work but it's not a great approach to this opponent. That's why I emphasized recovery after your own serve (well, that and because I had terrible difficulty with it myself so PTSD a bit). If you can put this guy under consistent pressure eventually his mental discipline will crack and he will start to go for ambitious blocks and attacks that he can't really achieve, just trying to take your pressure off.

I am sorry Brs, can you elaborate what do you mean by taking the initiative. I seem to be confuse when you said taking the initiative but impossible to win on 3rd ball? So what does taking the initiative means?

My usual go to personal strategy is to push a few balls to set up an opportunity but these guys can really move you around and deny you the opportunity to open up.

 
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Hi guys I'm Ozan. Started at the age of 20, never had a coach so I was heavily relying on educational youtube videos from the get go. I was a two wing looper than I switched to penhold with full rpb, than switched back to shakehander after a couple of years of playing.

Now I'm old, I'm fat, I got tennis elbow so I'm not a two wing looper with a bh dominant style. I'm an allrounder. I use Stiga Carbo 7.6 blade with Joola rhyzer 50 pro on fh and tenergy 80 on the backhand. But in those videos I was trying to adapt to Victas v15 Extra which didnt work.

ps: sorr for the bad quality, I dont record my self and these vids from a live feed...

 
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Hi guys I'm Ozan. Started at the age of 20, never had a coach so I was heavily relying on educational youtube videos from the get go. I was a two wing looper than I switched to penhold with full rpb, than switched back to shakehander after a couple of years of playing.

Now I'm old, I'm fat, I got tennis elbow so I'm not a two wing looper with a bh dominant style. I'm an allrounder. I use Stiga Carbo 7.6 blade with Joola rhyzer 50 pro on fh and tenergy 80 on the backhand. But in those videos I was trying to adapt to Victas v15 Extra which didnt work.

ps: sorr for the bad quality, I dont record my self and these vids from a live feed...

Hello! Just watched the first clip.
Maybe you can try a orthos for the tennis elbow?

Regarding the tabletennis:
- seems like you do so many differents strokes? Hard to get consistency and become good at anything. I agree that you seem better at backhand, then develop the game around it and try to practice and do less strokes. Try to serve and return to get backhand play: Would try to serve reverse pendelum from the middle and backhand serve to get the ball to the backhand, then try to play against their backhand and lock them there. Maybe learn banana flip?
- Maybe many differents strokes is due the footwork? do not agree that you are fat and old haha, so i think you can move a bit more. Most of the misses is probably due to the footwork.
- Maybe play a little easier sometimes? at least with the forehand.
- if you can get a little more body in the forehand and less arm you will become more safe or at least more body.

Keep up the hard work!

 
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Hi guys I'm Ozan. Started at the age of 20, never had a coach so I was heavily relying on educational youtube videos from the get go. I was a two wing looper than I switched to penhold with full rpb, than switched back to shakehander after a couple of years of playing.

Now I'm old, I'm fat, I got tennis elbow so I'm not a two wing looper with a bh dominant style. I'm an allrounder. I use Stiga Carbo 7.6 blade with Joola rhyzer 50 pro on fh and tenergy 80 on the backhand. But in those videos I was trying to adapt to Victas v15 Extra which didnt work.

ps: sorr for the bad quality, I dont record my self and these vids from a live feed...

Great stuff - I admire your game - as an adult learner with no formal coaching, you have done very well. The lack of coaching is pronounced in your forehand for sure, but it isn't terrible, I think it you should consider making your forehand more of a salute movement so you hit the ball with less risk - your current forehand makes timing extremely challenging as the window for good contact with the ball is very narrow. But the work to change strokes may not be worth it.

Thanks for sharing your game.

 
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Sorry guys I didnt mention but I also have a permanent shoulder issue and it's obvious that I can't carry the ball I can only brush. That I can't change :( ​​​​​​​at the same time when I got back to shakehand, I really struggled with the fh side. I always say that my fh side is weaker but a lot of people around me thinks it's better than my bh. Maybe it's because my elbow was a lot worse 2 3 years ago and I had to play a lot of fh. ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​I hate to play a boring and rational game. I can't focus. Even when I win I don't enjoy it so I decided to play like this. Actually those games were team competition match ups and I was being rational and boring in order to win. I play like Dane ( less footwork and lack of basics of course) so playing a safe one dimensional game if not possible for me.
My question is what kind of drills I should do in order to be better at fh side. I really struggle especially bh to fh stuff. Let's say I'm doing some looping with my bh 2-3 times than my opponent passively blocks to my fh side. I really struggle with that that , you know dead-no spin kind of balls because as you have mentioned I can't carry the ball, my correct angle window is too short And I take the ball too early than I have to use a lot of wrist. That's not a good situation to be in. I struggle against passive blockers ( short pimple etc) ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​maybe there's a specific drill for that kind of problems. thanks again...
 
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Sorry guys I didnt mention but I also have a permanent shoulder issue and it's obvious that I can't carry the ball I can only brush. That I can't change :( at the same time when I got back to shakehand, I really struggled with the fh side. I always say that my fh side is weaker but a lot of people around me thinks it's better than my bh. Maybe it's because my elbow was a lot worse 2 3 years ago and I had to play a lot of fh. ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​I hate to play a boring and rational game. I can't focus. Even when I win I don't enjoy it so I decided to play like this. Actually those games were team competition match ups and I was being rational and boring in order to win. I play like Dane ( less footwork and lack of basics of course) so playing a safe one dimensional game if not possible for me.
My question is what kind of drills I should do in order to be better at fh side. I really struggle especially bh to fh stuff. Let's say I'm doing some looping with my bh 2-3 times than my opponent passively blocks to my fh side. I really struggle with that that , you know dead-no spin kind of balls because as you have mentioned I can't carry the ball, my correct angle window is too short And I take the ball too early than I have to use a lot of wrist. That's not a good situation to be in. I struggle against passive blockers ( short pimple etc) ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​maybe there's a specific drill for that kind of problems. thanks again...

That makes some sense, though I am not fully sure what you mean when you say you can't carry the shoulder. The main thing though is that you need to expand your forehand window and that can only happen if you can play more towards the ball and not across your body. So maybe you need to adjust your stance on some balls so your shot lines up with the ball flor longer period, otherwise, the narrow zone of contact will make it hard to adjust your timing to weird balls. The wrist is not the problem, the problem is that you need to play towards the ball, not across your body and adapt your shot to be able take the ball towards it. It isn't impossible (I think), but I could be wrong.

For passive blockers, it is just practice, you have to develop the patience to play 5 or 6 balls. and move them around and they will target your weakness. But to always expect the ball back and play multiple shots is not easy for attackers, but if the block is consistent, you have to learn to find elbow and go wide and just practice it until you are comfortable..

 
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Hi, this my video from the past. I’m the one w/o hair :) first in black and at the end in red tshirt.
some story about me is in this thread, so will not repeat it once again.

from around 4min, Im playing fh topspin

and some other

this was from 2017, now I’m 6yo older 😉 and started again. feel free to comment.
if it is possible you may also comment in my thread about blades, maybe I should slow down with the rubbers to practice something more and then get back to Tenergy?
 
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Hi, this my video from the past. I’m the one w/o hair :) first in black and at the end in red tshirt.
some story about me is in this thread, so will not repeat it once again.

from around 4min, Im playing fh topspin

and some other

this was from 2017, now I’m 6yo older 😉 and started again. feel free to comment.
if it is possible you may also comment in my thread about blades, maybe I should slow down with the rubbers to practice something more and then get back to Tenergy?
Depends on your fitness now compare to 6 years ago. With dedicated practice I think you can get used to Tenergy again within a month.
 
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Hi, this my video from the past. I’m the one w/o hair :) first in black and at the end in red tshirt.
some story about me is in this thread, so will not repeat it once again.

from around 4min, Im playing fh topspin

and some other

this was from 2017, now I’m 6yo older 😉 and started again. feel free to comment.
if it is possible you may also comment in my thread about blades, maybe I should slow down with the rubbers to practice something more and then get back to Tenergy?
Great stuff Disaster!

To answer your specific question about Tenergy, I'll ask you some questions first!

1. How are you playing now after 6 years off?
2. What's it like in a game (rather than just practice)?

Without knowing the above questions, my advice would be to start back with something a little less..... bouncy.

I'm sure you'd get back on it quite quickly in practice, but it's the game situations that would generally suffer - The touch, the feeling, the confidence.

If you aren't "on it" with Tenergy, it's really unforgiving!

As for your play - It's really nice!

Great spin on both wings, good control - Lovely looking shots.

Did you find you could replicate that in a match?
 
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Ad1. After 6 years nothing has changed after 2 trainings. Before I started again a was watching much YouTube to know in theory in I should pay more attention like relaxing wrist to add more spin and power for bh topspin and how to work on foot. Every time I come back I learn something new. Now the problem is with my condition. I need to lose at least 10, would be perfect 15kg.
Ad2. I play matches very seldom. Sometimes 1,2 sets after practice. In 1.5 hrs training last 10 minutes I play but I’m exhausted. When I improve my condition I will attend amateur tournament. It is every Saturday. There few categories <40 , 40 -60, >60 and open.

I feel Tenergy and have no problems using it during practice with each elements but I could slow down a bit to have more control and have more time to be in position before every shot. To be more repeatable.
As I mentioned I missed all those revolutions with 40+ balls, rubbers after 2008 etc. always plays butterfly. Don’t know what to buy to slow down a bit and improve. When I visit table Tenis shops there are dozens of rubbers which tells me nothing so any suggestions for fh/bh and thickness would be much appreciated.
 
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Depends on your fitness now compare to 6 years ago. With dedicated practice I think you can get used to Tenergy again within a month.
I am just making sure you know the rules of this specific thread. If not, please read the first post of the thread.
 
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