What are the secrets of the production of Tenergy?

[TTHopeful]

What are the secrets of the production of Tenergy? How do Butterfly create a rubber that's so uniquely different to other branded rubbers? Why is Tenergy so good? It's been years since it was released but companies still don't know how to produce a rubber that matches it.

Why don't other companies get professionals to examine the production of Tenergy and copy it's elements?

I struggle to understand why other companies can't match Tenergy? Does anyone have a reason to this?

 

[NDH]

Well, if we knew the secrets, it wouldn't be secret

You could ask the same about a McDonalds Big Mac, or the recipe for KFC - Why doesn't someone copy it?

I'm guessing here (and I'm sure someone will come along and prove me wrong), but Butterfly spend a huge amount on Research and Development (and have the budget to do so...... That's what happens when you sell £350 blades and £60 rubbers!).

For me, there are other rubbers which are better for spin, other rubbers are better for speed, and some even combine the 2.

The biggest draw to buying Tenergy is the combination of both PLUS longevity - I'm tempted to buy MX-P which I can get for half the price (as Tenergy has just been increased in the UK), but I'm still reluctant to do so.

There may also be very specific trade marks etc, which stops other companies from creating the exact same thing.... Even if they wanted to.

 

[NextLevel]

There are rubbers that match Tenergy out there in performance. The issue is that nothing plays quite like it, especially Tenergy 05, across various stroke speeds. It's partly because they have a very specific process for putting air bubbles into the sponge. In any case, a lot of rubber creation is like drug research and manufacturing - you test different pimple structures and sponge rubber combinations and get lucky.

There are at most three rubber manufacturing shops in the world for popular Eurojap rubbers. There is the Tenergy process/plan, there is another in Japan that makes Nittaku and maybe Stiga rubbers, and then there is ESN. So it isn't so much that there is a lot of brands competing with Tenergy as there is ESN trying to compete with Tenergy. And they have clearly closed the performance gap and possibly exceeded it for some players, who do not find how Tenergy behaves to be intuitive.

 

[Thomas Jeffcott]

In my opinion nothing matches tenergy in terms of an attacking rubber and has the perfect balance between spin, speed, control and of course longevity. So for me there is nothing that performs better. As for why other companies can't recreate the same rubber I'm not sure but they are definitely closing the gap with MXP and the new genesis for example. I would guess it's a money thing and butterfly may have some patents in the way the rubber is produced.

 

[TTHopeful]

There are rubbers that match Tenergy out there in performance. The issue is that nothing plays quite like it, especially Tenergy 05, across various stroke speeds. It's partly because they have a very specific process for putting air bubbles into the sponge. In any case, a lot of rubber creation is like drug research and manufacturing - you test different pimple structures and sponge rubber combinations and get lucky.

There are at most three rubber manufacturing shops in the world for popular Eurojap rubbers. There is the Tenergy process/plan, there is another in Japan that makes Nittaku and maybe Stiga rubbers, and then there is ESN. So it isn't so much that there is a lot of brands competing with Tenergy as there is ESN trying to compete with Tenergy. And they have clearly closed the performance gap and possibly exceeded it for some players, who do not find how Tenergy behaves to be intuitive.

Yes I think the gap has got closer NextLevel, do you think in a few years there will be a ESN rubber just as good as Tenergy among the professionals? In my league in the UK there are a lot more players using Evolution rubbers so they are definitely more popular with level of playing field however in the professional level (Top 500 in the world) it still seems Tenergy dominates.

 

[TTHopeful]

In my opinion nothing matches tenergy in terms of an attacking rubber and has the perfect balance between spin, speed, control and of course longevity. So for me there is nothing that performs better. As for why other companies can't recreate the same rubber I'm not sure but they are definitely closing the gap with MXP and the new genesis for example. I would guess it's a money thing and butterfly may have some patents in the way the rubber is produced.

Can companies have patents on rubbers? Or Butterfly do this with a lot of their equipment already?

 

[NextLevel]

Yes I think the gap has got closer NextLevel, do you think in a few years there will be a ESN rubber just as good as Tenergy among the professionals? In my league in the UK there are a lot more players using Evolution rubbers so they are definitely more popular with level of playing field however in the professional level (Top 500 in the world) it still seems Tenergy dominates.

The gap is not just a lot closer, it is actually in reverse for *some* players. Pros make money from their game and do not take unnecessary risks with it.

The question is if you are getting Tenergy for free or for large discounts, why change? Drinkhall changed, but most players do not like taking those kinds of risks with their game. Aruna uses a harder sponge Rhyzm P, Gauzy uses Cornilleau, Samsonov uses MX-P, Walker Bluefire. There are a lot of ESN users out there. All this proves pretty much that you do not need to use Tenergy to play at the top levels.

Now, I like the way Tenergy plays and I use it because it gives me more for less given my injuries, but I played equally well, maybe even better, with some ESN rubbers when I was healthier. I am not a pro, but I gave a pro coach who hadn't tried ESN rubbers in years an Evolution EL-S sheet to test. He also tried Omega V Tour. He said that the gap was much closer than he expected. And of course, we don't know how he would feel if he used the rubbers for two months, but the point here is that some pros will not even try something else.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

You guys, its the house elves. The house elves at Butterfly have stronger magic. Stronger magic to make5 the rubbers and stronger magic to keep people feeling they need Tenergy. That is the real secret.

 

[darnner123]

You guys, its the house elves. The house elves at Butterfly have stronger magic. Stronger magic to make5 the rubbers and stronger magic to keep people feeling they need Tenergy. That is the real secret.

I've been so oblivious! Of Course its the house elves! Man I wish I could have house elves as strong as theirs.

 

[Suga D]

I was told of a few guys who play in the 2nd Bundesliga and also work for a big tabletennis brand in Dortmund, that they could simply produce every type of rubber they like, (meaning they can even Print on, whatever they like) but it's so expensive it's just not for the big market.
That tells me reverse engineering isn't an option here.

 

[Ilia Minkin]

Wonders why nobody mentioned the marketing yet.

 

[laistrogian]

Just like NL said, a lot of rubbers these days are actually good enough or even better as tenergy alternatives. MX-P, Omega V, Bluefire, these rubbers plays well enough that some pro players use them for their carrier and that shows their believe in the products.

However, tenergy is indeed the best rubber when it comes down to durability and perhaps feeling. People who go with tenergy are generally warned that they'll have a very hard time changing to other rubbers and that's true. While other rubbers can give you the same or even more spin and speed, the feeling of spring sponge is unique to itself.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

With Tenergy, I think the topsheet is actually not that special. It's good. But not much better than anything else and plenty of rubbers have better topsheets.

But the sponge is simply amazing. And they don't let anyone see how they make the sponge.

If I could have the MXP or MXS topsheet on the Tenergy sponge I think might be very happy.

Actually, the MXP sponge is interesting. It has good gears. It is not bouncy on touch and has good catapult when you apply the power. But it has way less feeling than Tenergy.


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[laistrogian]

With Tenergy, I think the topsheet is actually not that special. It's good. But not much better than anything else and plenty of rubbers have better topsheets.

But the sponge is simply amazing. And they don't let anyone see how they make the sponge.

If I could have the MXP or MXS topsheet on the Tenergy sponge I think might be very happy.

Actually, the MXP sponge is interesting. It has good gears. It is not bouncy on touch and has good catapult when you apply the power. But it has way less feeling than Tenergy.


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Tenergy's biggest weakness is its topsheet for me. It's so damn easy to tear it apart. I want to see how EL-P topsheet plays with spring sponge personally.

 

[Archosaurus]

So if we combine Tenergy sponge with National H3 topsheet and speed glue it, what do we get? A second big bang?

 

[Suga D]

I think I'll try that with an old sheet of H3 and an old tenergy sponge.
I never done that before, but it should be worth a try.

 

[bzing]

Entirely opposite, I disagree. The topsheet of mpx loses all of its grip so quickly, mine just after 2 weeks of playing became totally squeaky when the ball running through. Just wouldn't lift the ball. Forget about about tenergy topsheet tears apart. The whole point of it how long the topsheet lasts for to keep the grip to lift the ball. It's not about how long it lasts before it tears apart because there are ways to look after for it. So me entirely opposite if I'd rather have the tenergy topsheet and mxp sponge than the other way because mpx topsheet simply slips the ball after a fair quick period of use. And the mpx sponge produces way too flat trajectory for the ball.
But of course H3 national topsheet with tenergy sponge would probably be the best thing.

 

[Shuki]

One of my mentors had h3 and put it on tenergy sponge just as an experiment. He could no longer push/chop short balls, and that's an issue at 2100 level play.


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[bobpuls]

i thik this all is about patents rights ... and i also think all rubbers from japan are made in one fabric and one manufacture.
only the process is different .
But why butterfly when all top players are crying about DHS rubbers how they are much superior ?

 

[Airoc]

and i also think all rubbers from japan are made in one fabric and one manufacture.

There are at least three.

Butterfly´s own, Daiki (Stiga ...) and Fuso