Which Hurricane 3 version?

I don't get why people miss extreme tackiness. My first H3 was an extremely tacky Commercial version and although it was easy to put a ball on a table, the extreme tackiness slowed the ball by a ton.

Nowadays, as an H3Neo Blue-Nat user (boosting with Kailin), I can surely say it grips the ball just like the tacky H3 Commercial does. Without this extreme tackiness, you get like 5 gears instead of 1, pretty much all the variety in the world.
Because the extreme tackiness wears off after a few hours of playing. Once that wore off, the boosted orange sponge commercial was like a beast. Tacky, spinny, and bouncy (after boosting it). You could do anything with that rubber....for $21-$22 a sheet.

Once that tackiness wore off, the rubber is still tackier than a brand new sheet of provincial or national blue sponge of hurricane that are sold nowadays.

And back then you could use the rubber for a year and the tackiness stayed the same after the initial extreme tackiness wears off.

If you did not play with that previous version of hurricane, then there is nothing I can say to change your opinion. Trust me. DHS did table tennis players dirty when they took the extreme tackiness off. They are now making more money than ever because people have to change their sheets more often and have to upgrade to blue sponge to get any resemblance of decent tackiness.
 
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I would use neo, its got built in booster with it. Non neo is too slow
So they claim, but the ones I tried I noticed no boosting effect whatsoever so I am still boosting my regular H3 provincial OS myself…

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Because the extreme tackiness wears off after a few hours of playing. Once that wore off, the boosted orange sponge commercial was like a beast. Tacky, spinny, and bouncy (after boosting it). You could do anything with that rubber....for $21-$22 a sheet.

Once that tackiness wore off, the rubber is still tackier than a brand new sheet of provincial or national blue sponge of hurricane that are sold nowadays.

And back then you could use the rubber for a year and the tackiness stayed the same after the initial extreme tackiness wears off.

If you did not play with that previous version of hurricane, then there is nothing I can say to change your opinion. Trust me. DHS did table tennis players dirty when they took the extreme tackiness off. They are now making more money than ever because people have to change their sheets more often and have to upgrade to blue sponge to get any resemblance of decent tackiness.
I still don't understand why the "increased tackiness" was beneficial for you. The only real advantage I see is immense grip, but modern less-tacky Hurricanes also have incredible grip and allow you to lift underspin from the floor. All of my 5 sheets of H3N I had from late 2023 to 2024 (2 commercial, 1 orange provincial, and 2 blue national) had less tackiness, but all of them gripped the ball like crazy even in humid environments.

For me, tackiness is crucial on modern European rubbers like Glazyer 09C or Hybrid K3. After they lost their semi-tackiness after several weeks/months, the grip was gone too.

For Hurricanes, there is no such issue. In fact, a less tacky H3 means you can send rockets during attacks and have a resemblance of block/flat hits.
 
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Also, do you know if there is a difference between the regular Hurricane 3 and the H3 Neo version?

I have heard that Neo reacts stronger to booster (and therefore is more catapulty/powerful). Do know if there is a difference in how they react to booster?
This is what I came here to ask.

Generally the difference between regular & Neo is factory boosting right? How long does the factory boost usually last on Neo and do they play drastically different when boosted?

Considering picking up a sheet of H3N 39° BS to try, but would most likely play with it unboosted first just to get a feel for it, and then maybe boost it when it wears off (if I feel like I can handle it).
 
I still don't understand why the "increased tackiness" was beneficial for you. The only real advantage I see is immense grip, but modern less-tacky Hurricanes also have incredible grip and allow you to lift underspin from the floor. All of my 5 sheets of H3N I had from late 2023 to 2024 (2 commercial, 1 orange provincial, and 2 blue national) had less tackiness, but all of them gripped the ball like crazy even in humid environments.

For me, tackiness is crucial on modern European rubbers like Glazyer 09C or Hybrid K3. After they lost their semi-tackiness after several weeks/months, the grip was gone too.

For Hurricanes, there is no such issue. In fact, a less tacky H3 means you can send rockets during attacks and have a resemblance of block/flat hits.
I apologize if I did not make my point more clear.

Let us say, on a scale of 0 to 10, with 10 being very very tacky. The previous version of Hurricane 3 is like 13 out of 10 in terms of tackiness when it is straight out of the box. Then once you play with it for a few hours (I have even heard of people scrubbing new balls on the top sheet and not clean the rubber to intentionally bring down the tackiness a bit when it is straight out of the box but I never did that; I just played it to break the rubber in), the tackiness goes down to 10.

The modern day version of H3 and various hybrids I have tried (i.e. K3 or Dignics 09c) is more like 6 out of 10 in terms of tackiness, straight out of the box.

The difference between 6 v.s. 10 in terms of tackiness is quite big.

When the H3 (old version) gets to 10 out of 10 in terms of tackiness, it stays that way for a year! The only thing I did was just, after each session, use water and sponge to wipe the top sheet. I have never used protective sheets or anything.

So with that amount of tackiness I could score 3-4 points off my serve each game. But nowadays with H3 provincial blue sponge, I might be able to score only 1-2 points straight off my serve nowadays. With each game going up to 11 points only (not 21, like the old days), a couple free points off serve plays a huge difference.

Then with the current version of hurricane, that 6 out of 10 tackiness wears off within 2-3 months at most so nowadays I have to upgrade to provincial blue sponge just to get some decent tackiness in the top sheet but yet I have to change the rubber after 2-3 months as opposed to once a year with the old version.

With 10 out of 10 tackiness, it was also easier to play the short game better and easier to loop just using the top sheet to scoop the ball off the end of the table. So everything about hurricane before was perfect. You get to boost the heck out of the orange sponge and you get to just rely on the top sheet of tackiness to play the ball in certain ways/techniques. It is just a lot harder to execute those shots with barely tacky surface nowadays.

I was also trained in the celluloid 38mm days so my favorite technique is to open the rally (usually on the third ball) with a slow, high arcing spinny loop. That kind of loop is just not as deadly with the new plastic ball and the new "tackless" hurricane. Hence my rant.
 
This is what I came here to ask.

Generally the difference between regular & Neo is factory boosting right? How long does the factory boost usually last on Neo and do they play drastically different when boosted?

Considering picking up a sheet of H3N 39° BS to try, but would most likely play with it unboosted first just to get a feel for it, and then maybe boost it when it wears off (if I feel like I can handle it).
@Heming Hu stated that the Neo version does have some extra factory boosting.

Some other forum members believe that the Neo version does not confer any factory boosting; instead the Neo version is just regular version with an extra layer of glue already applied to the sponge.

So it is up to you to believe what you believe.

Side topic. Regular H3 comes in regular packaging. H3 Neo comes in vacuum sealed packaging. So I always get the Neo version just in case the rubber will be sitting for a while before I get around to boosting it and attaching it to my blade. That's why I almost always buy the Neo version.
 
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I apologize if I did not make my point more clear.

Let us say, on a scale of 0 to 10, with 10 being very very tacky. The previous version of Hurricane 3 is like 13 out of 10 in terms of tackiness when it is straight out of the box. Then once you play with it for a few hours (I have even heard of people scrubbing new balls on the top sheet and not clean the rubber to intentionally bring down the tackiness a bit when it is straight out of the box but I never did that; I just played it to break the rubber in), the tackiness goes down to 10.

The modern day version of H3 and various hybrids I have tried (i.e. K3 or Dignics 09c) is more like 6 out of 10 in terms of tackiness, straight out of the box.

The difference between 6 v.s. 10 in terms of tackiness is quite big.

When the H3 (old version) gets to 10 out of 10 in terms of tackiness, it stays that way for a year! The only thing I did was just, after each session, use water and sponge to wipe the top sheet. I have never used protective sheets or anything.

So with that amount of tackiness I could score 3-4 points off my serve each game. But nowadays with H3 provincial blue sponge, I might be able to score only 1-2 points straight off my serve nowadays. With each game going up to 11 points only (not 21, like the old days), a couple free points off serve plays a huge difference.

Then with the current version of hurricane, that 6 out of 10 tackiness wears off within 2-3 months at most so nowadays I have to upgrade to provincial blue sponge just to get some decent tackiness in the top sheet but yet I have to change the rubber after 2-3 months as opposed to once a year with the old version.

With 10 out of 10 tackiness, it was also easier to play the short game better and easier to loop just using the top sheet to scoop the ball off the end of the table. So everything about hurricane before was perfect. You get to boost the heck out of the orange sponge and you get to just rely on the top sheet of tackiness to play the ball in certain ways/techniques. It is just a lot harder to execute those shots with barely tacky surface nowadays.

I was also trained in the celluloid 38mm days so my favorite technique is to open the rally (usually on the third ball) with a slow, high arcing spinny loop. That kind of loop is just not as deadly with the new plastic ball and the new "tackless" hurricane. Hence my rant.
I think the modern game dictated the need to reduce tackiness. It's much more speed-focused nowadays, and it feels like semi-tackiness is the most optimal surface for 2024, whether it's Dignics, Hurricane, K3, NUZN, BlueGrip, etc.

Even my beloved Jupiter 2/3 lost their tackiness in the latest revisions, but I see it as an opportunity with more speed. I feel sorry that it hampered your game, but it looks like there is no turning back.
 
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I think the current tackiness out of the box right now is perfect. The problem is that it decreases too quickly..
If it stayed twice as long it would perfect....

But since the pro's can change their rubbers weekly (or even daily) it is beneficial for them.
I am hoping that DHS comes up with a way to make the tackiness ,ore durable...

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I still don't understand why the "increased tackiness" was beneficial for you. The only real advantage I see is immense grip, but modern less-tacky Hurricanes also have incredible grip and allow you to lift underspin from the floor. All of my 5 sheets of H3N I had from late 2023 to 2024 (2 commercial, 1 orange provincial, and 2 blue national) had less tackiness, but all of them gripped the ball like crazy even in humid environments.
I would be careful with that statement. Recently I was playing in such condition and couple of times balls slipped from the surface, making me wtf?!?!?! It was very humid. On the opposite side my T19 was like an ice rink.
Nothing is good in the humid environments. Of course such conditions are not always or not even often but happens.
The good news is that my club is modernizing the playing hall, currently installing heat recovery/recuperation (I don't know how to call in English) and will install air conditioning later. So no matter of the outside condition, inside should be stable and comfortable. But we will see.... ;)
 
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LOL DO NOT use commercial guys, provincial and national are very similar and both reliably good. National really isnt worth the price difference and unless I was playing big tournaments again or getting it for free as a sponsored player, I personally today just go with provincial for coaching.


Commercial is horrible though, in my experience
Hi Hu and anyone else that may shed light, I’m using H3N prov bs 39 on fh and D05 bh for while now and am curious in trying the bs 40d prov is there much difference other than hardness? How do the playing characteristics change between them? Is 40 better or worse in any department than the 39?
Also how does the national differ from the provincial? Taking cost out of equation is national much different, different top sheet, faster spinner etc..?

Also off if anyone knows how does D09C differ from D05 on bh? I have only used D09C on fh before moving to H3N and didn’t test it on bh. I’m tempted to test even though I’m very settled with my set up D09C has become very popular on bh and just wonder how it compares to D05 on bh. Ie flicking, blocking, bh open ups, spin, counter etc…

Thanks guys in advance
 
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