If you live in the west, even the most expensive equipment is not that expensive. What gets expensive if you're a pro is the frequency of rubber replacements. For example, CNT members replace their rubbers every 5-7 days during practice and every 1-2 days during competitions. The average Joe won't need a new sheet of say D09c every few months, and it only costs 1-2 coaching sessions.
Which is better value for money Tenergy 05 or Dignics 05?
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In a few months time I will try Dignics rubbers. I see players such as NDH, Kolev and NextLevel who seem experienced with these rubbers.
I am an advanced amateur player who trains 3 hours daily during summer months.
My question is: 1) why do most people prefer D09c on FH?
2) for those who prefer D05 - why?
From what I have read I think i would prefer D05 both sides because I am a power looper on 3rd ball and rallies on FH. When receiving I control more with active punch blocks, sometimes chop blocks and speed and placement, until my opponent attacks weak and then I counter loop aiming to win the point.
Am I right in thinking D05 both sides is more suitable for me?
up to a month ago I played T05 and G1 on FZD ALC. Now I play Victas 401 FH and V22 BH. I had no issues transitioning and normally adapt to any rubber within a training session (inverted, spinny)
I normally can beat 90% of players I beat with T05 also with a Sriver or a Mendo, even if with T05 I only beat them 11-8.
I am an advanced amateur player who trains 3 hours daily during summer months.
My question is: 1) why do most people prefer D09c on FH?
2) for those who prefer D05 - why?
From what I have read I think i would prefer D05 both sides because I am a power looper on 3rd ball and rallies on FH. When receiving I control more with active punch blocks, sometimes chop blocks and speed and placement, until my opponent attacks weak and then I counter loop aiming to win the point.
Am I right in thinking D05 both sides is more suitable for me?
up to a month ago I played T05 and G1 on FZD ALC. Now I play Victas 401 FH and V22 BH. I had no issues transitioning and normally adapt to any rubber within a training session (inverted, spinny)
I normally can beat 90% of players I beat with T05 also with a Sriver or a Mendo, even if with T05 I only beat them 11-8.
Hmmm, it almost sounds like your equipment doesn't even matter.
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D5 = Control, low arc, fast and spinner, balance ofensive/defensive ...
It's the best butterfly rubber.
It's the best butterfly rubber.
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Thx! This is what I was hoping to hear. Especially balance between offense and defence is important to me - in some points we need to control, block and wait for the chance, in others we are attacking. A good rubber must do both well and that is why for example for me H3 isn't perfect on FH because there are too many points, especially when I receive the serve in which I am blocking and H3 won't give me speed to block dangerously.
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Yes, generally technique and match experience is a lot more important.
I buy the equipment for matches against players who are balanced with me or where I am worse.
For example I have always judged T05 as
1) Not necessary against weaker players
2) very useful against balanced or slightly better opponents
3) harmful against much better players (because of bounce, lack of very fine control and sensitivity to spin)
I would buy D05 if it improves my chances against type 2 players even further and does not have as many problems against type 3.
From What I can understand D09c might be even marginally better vs type 2 but probably quite horrible vs type 3.
I normally play against 11-8 players either with YEO + Fastarc both sides or with Virtuoso + HK1997 Gold + AK47 Red. Not worth using up T05 life on players you know you're going to beat generally.
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Main thing for me is that D05 is ridiculously durable and this makes it really cheap to play with. I applied tackiness enhancer to my D05 and it plays even better than new after 1.5 yr of play.
D05 is very, very good for flicks and topspin-topspin rallies (see for e.g. Harimoto), because it has a lot of sudden speed which can overwhelm opponents quickly. What it is not good in is short pushes. It takes tremendous amount of technique and control to do short pushes unlike with say Hurricane where the rubber does the job of momentum absorption for you. You have to absorb the momentum with excellent technique and not the rubber. Long fast pushes are actually quite decent with D05. For me if I receive with D05 it will be mainly flicks, chiquita, sideswipes with the aim to get to topspin rally ASAP. I only do short pushes occasionally as a variation. But I trained enough to be able to short push with D05 against all serves even sidetopspin and no spin serves.
OK a lot of ppl say power comes from body which is true, but what if you're jammed or out of position? These same ppl will be forced to retreat away from the table to use their full body strokes. With D05 you can in fact maintain the close table stance easily because you simply don't need so much body commitment to play a quality shot, and you can play "half strokes" with a lot of quality to avoid compromising your body position. This makes you a lot faster in terms of shot connections. But of course if you take the ball late consistently then this is a moot point anyway.
For me the ultimate style of D05 is a bit like Harimoto and Lin Yun Ju style where you aim for the topspin rally and then overwhelm them with sheer speed and placement. If you play more spin based style I think D05 is simply not as good as D09c or boosted Hurricane.
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Great feedback! Really good to Know, I think D05 is probably good for me.
Regarding your points:
Short game: Is it much worse than T05? T05 is generally bouncy, and therefore short pushes need technique, you have to cut the ball to maintain it low and spinny, otherwise it pops or drifts half long and you're dead. Is it a similar story?
On half shots - again here T05 provides great help - half shots give 80% quality. I heard D05 does not do quite as well here, but better than D09c and of course better than H3. In balanced games, or games where I am not favourite, inevitably you get such situations, you cannot always be in the best position, therefore it's very reassuring to know D05 helps out.
To recap my style:
Dangerous service + 3rd ball with the aim to finish, if 5th ball comes the aim is to shorten the rally through power - I have a very powerful FH, my BH has to be a bit more controlled, but I still loop or punch when attacking.
When returning, I normally play very all round, mixing flicks, long deep pushes, short touches to find my opponent's weakness. Often I allow them to attack (through a deep long push) and then block with as much speed and placement I can do - once their footwork breaks down, they give a 70% shot and I counter with the aim to win there and then. Against all long serves I attack, mostly powerloop if I am sure I read it well, or maybe a bit safer loop if there's some uncertainty.
For reference Rubbers I use and like:
T05 (only FH, I might like T19 BH), V22 (I find this a very very good rubber), Ventus Extra (only BH), Victas 401 (only FH as it's a bit slow for BH), Fastarc G1 (both sides, great but lacks any outstanding property, so I get bored), HK1997 Gold (FH is amazing for spin with very decent speed), in the good old days Sriver EL (BH) and Mendo MP (FH) with speed glue.
I have always played the same style and even with Victas 401 which is meant to be a chopper's rubber - I simply attack and it works really well - for me it's a better easier H3.
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T05 is atrocious at short game - D05 is way better than it. D05 is also good at half shots, wouldnt say it is worse than T05. If you do a lot of pushing (more than say 50% of the time) i think it is not for you tbh. You would need a lot of training to get the short push done. If you like to just touch the ball for short push you will never get good control with D05. It has to be a fast active push to the sides to rob momentum almost always (see for eg how Truls Moregardh pushes short). If you dont have an active short push, touches will almost always end up popping high or long giving your opponent great chances.
For me your style seems to suit D09c or boosted Hurricane better, especially if you push a lot and prioritize spin/power on 3rd ball.
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Great to here D05 is better than T05 short game, I've tamed T05 short game so I think it should be fine . Also great to hear about half shots.
Oh I don't push anywhere near to 50% on BH return, more like 25%. As I said I'm very all round BH and on return, so on short I mix flicks, long deep push and short push, and on long I attack any ball. Half long I flick 80%+
That being said, it's interesting that people do acquaint my style to H3 and D09c... Many ask me why I don't enjoy H3... I think the answer at a personal level is that I'm attacking only around half the time, on my serve... But on my opponents serve I find myself blocking a lot and only waiting to counter normally on 5th, 7th, or 9th ball.... I just can't do this effectively with h3 which I find very one dimensional...you have to attack, counter or push short. I'm afraid D09c is similar in which case I won't enjoy it because I want to employ the widest variety of shots possible
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