Why did China not field Wang Manyu after she saved them against India?

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Nice to see confirmation that it was a directive from the top to establish selection criteria for Olympic sports. Because I've heard different theories ranging from Ma Lin's personal preferences to WTTC placement to team politics. Everything seems clear now.
But Zeio is right that this cannibalizes the team first strategies. Because WYD can end up in 2nd place. What does the team do then?? It's obvious that she seems to have been "figured out" by the Japanese.
Btw was there any directive for the top 3 to play in all the knockout stages, or is this a decision from Ma Lin/Li Sun?
Here are the last 2 passages from the last page of the attachment that led to the controversy at Asian Games 2022 and confusion at WTTC 2024.

根据相关赛事竞赛规程和报名规则,世界排名高者将优先获得相关国际大赛参赛资格。
According to the competition prospectus and entry rules of relevant events, those with higher world rankings will be given priority to qualify for relevant international competitions.

相关国际大赛团体比赛淘汰赛阶段,世界排名最高的 3 名运动员优先获得出场资格。如出现放弃出场资格、负场、严重伤病及其它不可抗力因素,国家队教练组可考虑换人。
In the knockout stage of team events in relevant international competitions, the 3 athletes with the highest world rankings will be given priority in playing lineups. In the event of forfeit, defeat, serious injuries and other force majeure factors, the national team coaching staff may consider substitutions.
 
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Here are the last 2 passages from the last page of the attachment that led to the controversy at Asian Games 2022 and confusion at WTTC 2024.

根据相关赛事竞赛规程和报名规则,世界排名高者将优先获得相关国际大赛参赛资格。
According to the competition prospectus and entry rules of relevant events, those with higher world rankings will be given priority to qualify for relevant international competitions.

相关国际大赛团体比赛淘汰赛阶段,世界排名最高的 3 名运动员优先获得出场资格。如出现放弃出场资格、负场、严重伤病及其它不可抗力因素,国家队教练组可考虑换人。
In the knockout stage of team events in relevant international competitions, the 3 athletes with the highest world rankings will be given priority in playing lineups. In the event of forfeit, defeat, serious injuries and other force majeure factors, the national team coaching staff may consider substitutions.
The consequences of this may not be pretty. Imagine this circular being passed around the time when Xu Xin was world no 1 & a young Fan was world number 2. I think the order doesn't take nuance and dynamism into consideration. Thank you for the valuable info.
 
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It's funny if they use world ranking - that thing is an unstable positive feedback loop.

The more a player is sent into international competitions- the higher the world rank. Now these rules state that the higher the ranking, the more a player will be sent to international competitions?

What if a player is starting out? Does it mean that they don't get sent out because they don't have a high enough world rank, and because they don't get sent out they can't even get a high enough world rank.

It's becoming like the meme of can't find a job because of lack of experience, but can't get experience due to lack of a job.
 
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The consequences of this may not be pretty. Imagine this circular being passed around the time when Xu Xin was world no 1 & a young Fan was world number 2. I think the order doesn't take nuance and dynamism into consideration. Thank you for the valuable info.
An in-depth interview from 2018/12/10 (3rd one below) has become the news again (with many people not being aware), in which LGL stated whoever is capable of being the top 2 and willing to play for the country then all the best.

乒协主席刘国梁开腔|还在学习当主席, 决不能低估日本对手 (Translation for this one)
https://weibo.com/1647688972/Hd8sOsqcp
https://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDAyNDU5MzExNg==.html
刘国梁开腔|打败了世界,我也不想输给时代
https://weibo.com/1647688972/HgkAotLUu
https://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDA1NzU3ODgxNg==.html
刘国梁开腔|从巅峰退役到出任乒协主席,有遗憾有思考也有期待
https://weibo.com/1647688972/L35wwsZct
https://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDA3MzEwMTI4OA==.html

https://weibo.com/1740626210/O3ib3trXY
-Veronica-Y
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锅凉主席 你鼓励所有人打球
为什么wtt 3月-4月的6个支线赛
国乒一个不去呢?

你也提到了国家的培养 家庭的付出
那么这些国家也培养了
家庭也付出了的运动员
这些不参加奥运会的运动员
TA们赛场在哪里?
 
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Big changes to the selection system, effective immediately.

Saudi Smash 2024 added to selection criteria. (World Cup 2024 was the last stop, previously)
Points will be deducted for losses against non-teammates at Singapore Smash 2024, WTT CS Incheon 2024, World Cup 2024 and Saudi Smash 2024.
Subject to change depending on the results at the subsequent stops.

https://weibo.com/7360795486/O58wTBoT1
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5.1-5.11举行的WTT沙特大满贯结果将计入巴黎奥运会参赛选拔积分
@WTT世界乒联
#WTT新加坡大满贯2024# 赛程已过半,将于今天开始陆续决出各单项冠军。中国女队主教练马琳采访总结本届赛事截至目前队员表现总体满意,同时提到中国女队奥运队员选拔办法将从新加坡大满贯开始至沙特大满贯,如球员输外协会比赛将引入扣分机制。
https://weibo.com/6865474126/O57HUoQHp
 
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As expected,
CNT: We zone in/narrow down on the candidates AND THEN we come up with the selection criteriA 😉 that fit them to a T.

https://web.archive.org/web/2024012...1945909676&w=FEFGmR8oeTmp4bGNc0G9Syhr4TIARRXk (05/16/2023 at 2:47pm)
https://www.douban.com/group/topic/288542066
Douban users aren't falling for it.

As with the "Performance Appraisal for 2019", 雷聲大,雨點小.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/road-to-tokyo-2020-chinese-tt-team.22527/post-345567
CNT: We zone in/narrow down on the candidates AND THEN we come up with the selection criteriA 😉 that fit them to a T.

https://weibo.com/6865474126/O58bTvc9s
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2023.5.15中国乒乓球队巴黎奥运会选拔办法出台
2023.5.16我就质疑了为什么只有加分没有扣分?
现在10个月过去了
非得刀架在脖子上了才“姗姗来迟”一个扣分规则
最重要的釜山世乒赛输得七荤八素不扣分?

看看这个规则有多么傲慢啊
都没有写国乒输团体赛输球了怎么办?
怎么是想象不到了吗?
所以釜山你们不仅是想象到了
也感受到了吧!#国乒输外战扣分#
 
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Li Sun: WYD is out of the Olympic WS race.

https://weibo.com/1498760141/O5gUhEUaC
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国乒女队优化巴黎奥运选拔,重点考核对外协会战绩

记者3月16日从中国乒乓球队获悉,队伍教练组研究决定对女队巴黎奥运会参赛选拔办法进行优化,重点考核运动员对外协会战绩。其中包括将5月1日开始的WTT沙特大满贯赛成绩纳入考核范围,综合评估奥运选拔办法执行期间运动员对外协会战绩,并将在后续重要赛事中增加对运动员与其他协会选手交手成绩的考量。

队伍决定在今年WTT新加坡大满贯赛、WTT韩国冠军赛、国际乒联澳门世界杯、WTT沙特大满贯赛几项重要赛事中,提升对队伍参赛运动员与其他协会选手交手成绩的考核程度。此外,教练组将综合考量“奥运选拔办法”发布后运动员的外协会战绩。自2023年德班世乒赛开始,在国际比赛中输掉5场外协会比赛的运动员,其巴黎奥运会单打竞争资格将由教练组收回进行综合评定。女队的奥运参赛选拔截止时间调整为WTT沙特大满贯赛结束后的5月14日,延长考核时间有利于进一步考察运动员对其他协会比赛的竞技状态。

根据优化后的女队选拔规则,运动员在重要比赛与其他协会选手交手中输掉比赛或小组未出线,将不再赋予国际大赛奖励积分,同时还要扣除同等赛事的冠军奖励积分。例如:在WTT大满贯赛事中输给其他协会选手,扣除3000点积分;在WTT冠军赛中输给其他协会选手,扣除1000点积分;在国际乒联世界杯小组赛未出线则扣除3000 点积分,国际乒联世界杯每场比赛输球扣除3000 点积分、输两场则扣除6000 点积分(国际乒联世界杯累计扣分)。此外,如果运动员为避免扣分主动放弃参加今后重要比赛,该运动员奥运参赛资格由教练组收回。
The National Table Tennis Women's Team optimizes the selection for the Paris Olympics, with a focus on the assessment of performance versus Foreign Associations

Reporters learned from the China Table Tennis Team on March 16 that the coaching staff decided to optimize the selection method for the women's team for Paris 2024, with a focus on the assessment of the athletes' performance versus foreign associations. These include including the results of the Saudi Smash 2024 that will commence on May 1st into the period of assessment, comprehensively evaluating the performance of athletes versus foreign associations during the implementation period of the Olympic selection method, and adding consideration to the performance of athletes and players from other associations in subsequent important events.

The team has decided to improve the assessment of the team's athletes' performance against players from other associations in several important events such as this year's Singapore Smash, WTT Champions Incheon, ITTF World Cup Macau, and Saudi Smash. In addition, the coaching staff will comprehensively consider the athletes' performance versus foreign associations after the "Olympic Selection Method" is released. Starting from the WTTC 2023 Durban, the athletes who lose 5 matches versus foreign associations in international competitions will have their Paris Olympic singles qualifications withdrawn by the coaching staff for comprehensive evaluation. The deadline for the women's team's Olympic selection has been adjusted to May 14 after the Saudi Smash. Extending the assessment period will help further examine the athletes' competitive status in competitions versus other associations.

According to the optimized women's team selection criteria, if an athlete loses an important match against players from other associations or fails to advance out of group stage, they will no longer be awarded points for international competitions, and will also be deducted points for winner of the respective event. For example: if you lose to players from other associations in the Grand Smash, 3,000 points will be deducted; if you lose to players from other associations in the WTT Champions, 1,000 points will be deducted; if you fail to advance out of the ITTF World Cup group stage, 3,000 points will be deducted, for each loss in the ITTF World Cup, 3,000 points will be deducted, and if you lose two matches, you will be deducted 6,000 points (cumulative point deductions for the ITTF World Cup). In addition, if an athlete voluntarily gives up participating in important future competitions to avoid point deductions, the athlete's Olympic qualification will be withdrawn by the coaching staff.

https://weibo.com/1498760141/O5gUk8wcn
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国乒总教练李隼解读新规,强调外战胜率

针对女队奥运选拔新规,记者特联系中国乒乓球队总教练李隼对规则进行解读。

李隼表示,在釜山世乒赛上,中国女队碰到了困难,尤其是奥运会选拔办法中对排兵布阵的局限性也给我们敲响了警钟。我们意识到如果不及时优化调整,将会为即将到来的巴黎奥运会埋下隐患。赛后,我和女队教练组及时复盘总结,也进行了深刻反省。本次优化调整的主要目的就是为了选出最强阵容,代表国家圆满完成巴黎奥运会参赛任务。

李隼介绍,经过教练组对规则优化调整的讨论,大家认为原有的奥运参赛选拔办法总体上是公平公正公开透明的,但缺乏对外协会战绩的评估。而且在个别细节上,尤其在排兵布阵和打法相克方面仍有局限性。所以本次优化主要体现教练组要重点考量运动员对外协会战绩,包括在整个备战周期中对外协会的表现。对于比赛中输外协会的运动员,将不再赋予国际大赛奖励积分,还要扣除同等赛事的冠军奖励积分。同时,在原有基础上增加一站沙特大满贯赛事的考核,也是为更好地检验运动员的竞技状态。

对于大家最关心的教练组心目中奥运竞争人选问题,李隼介绍说:“综合此前对外协会战绩的表现,女队奥运人选竞争中,王艺迪近一年来输掉多场对外协会比赛,在2023德班世乒赛、杭州亚运会、2024釜山世乒赛中的单打关键场次均输给奥运会主要对手,这在国乒奥运备战历史上也是极为罕见的。经教练组集体研究,一致认为她已不适合继续参与奥运单打竞争。目前从女队来看,孙颖莎、陈梦、王曼昱三人在奥运单打竞争中占据领先位置,而且又都有完成过奥运会任务的丰富经验,尤其是孙颖莎在巴黎备战周期表现优异。所以客观来看,单打第二号人选竞争将更加激烈。希望女队上下以此选拔优化为契机,在后续比赛中磨练自己,力争能在巴黎奥运赛场上为国争光。”

李隼表示,队伍现阶段的重点目标和任务是选拔出巴黎奥运会女队最强阵容,全力以赴备战奥运会。希望全队要以此为动力保持团结一致,在巴黎奥运赛场上为国争光。教练组也将通过优化后的选拔办法,选派出对外战绩优异且能完成奥运会参赛任务的运动员参加后续国际比赛及奥运会。李隼还表示,教练组将保持对选拔办法的动态评估,确保选拔工作的科学高效。

随着2024年巴黎奥运会的临近,国家队的教练团队和运动员们正以全新的姿态迎接挑战。相信通过这次选拔办法的优化,女队将在奥运会上展现出更加出色的表现,为国家赢得荣誉。
National Table Tennis Head Coach Li Sun interprets the new rules and emphasizes the win rate in foreign battles

In response to the new rules for the Olympic selection of the women's team, the reporter contacted Li Sun, the head coach of the China table tennis team, to interpret the rules.

Li Sun said that at the WTTC Busan, the China's women's team encountered difficulties, especially limitations of the lineup imposed by the Olympic selection method, which also sounded the alarm for us. We realize that if we do not optimize and adjust in time, we will plant hidden dangers for the upcoming Paris 2024. After the tournament, the coaching staff of the women's team and I reviewed and summarized the tournament in a timely manner and conducted deep introspection. The main purpose of this optimization and adjustment is to select the strongest lineup to successfully complete the mission at the Paris 2024 on behalf of the country.

Li Sun said that after the coaching staff's discussion on the optimization and adjustment of the rules, everyone believed that the original Olympic selection method was generally fair, just, open and transparent, but it lacked evaluation of the performance versus foreign associations. Moreover, there are still limitations in the minor details, especially in terms of lineup and match-ups of playing styles. Therefore, this optimization mainly reflects that the coaching staff focus on the performance of athletes versus foreign associations, including the performance versus foreign associations throughout the entire preparation cycle. Athletes who lose to foreign associations in competitions will no longer be awarded bonus points for international competitions, and bonus points for winners in the respective events will also be deducted. At the same time, adding the assessment of Saudi Smash on top of the original basis is also to better evaluate the competitive states of athletes.

As for the issue of candidates for the Olympic Games that everyone is most concerned about, Li Sun said that "based on the previous performance versus foreign associations, in the competition for the Olympic candidates of the women's team, Wang Yidi has lost many matches versus foreign associations in the past year. At the WTTC 2023 Durban, the Asian Games 2022 Hangzhou, and the WTTC 2024 Busan, she lost to the main Olympic opponents, which is also extremely rare in the history of national table tennis preparations for the Olympics. After collective research of the coaching staff, it was unanimously agreed upon that she is no longer suitable to continue participating in the Olympic singles competition. Currently, from the perspective of the women's team, Sun Yingsha, Chen Meng, and Wang Manyu occupy the leading positions in the Olympic singles competition, and they all have rich experience in completing Olympic missions, especially Sun Yingsha's excellent performance in the Paris preparation period. Therefore, objectively speaking, the competition for the no. 2 singles candidate will be more intense. I hope that the women’s team will take this selection optimization as an opportunity to hone themselves in subsequent competitions and strive to earn glory for the country at the Paris 2024."

Li Sun said that the team's key goal and mission at this stage is to select the strongest women's team lineup for the Paris 2024 and go all in to prepare for the Olympics. I hope that the whole team will use this as motivation to stay united and earn glory for the country at the Paris Olympics. The coaching staff will also use the optimized selection method to select athletes with excellent external records and who can complete the Olympic mission to participate in subsequent international competitions and the Olympic Games. Li Sun also said that the coaching staff will maintain a dynamic evaluation of the selection method to ensure that the selection is scientific and efficient.

As the Paris 2024 approaches, the national team's coaching team and athletes are meeting the challenge with a new attitude. I believe that through the optimization of this selection method, the women's team will show an even better performance at the Olympics and win honors for the country.
 
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Li Sun: WYD is out of the Olympic WS race.

https://weibo.com/1498760141/O5gUhEUaC

The National Table Tennis Women's Team optimizes the selection for the Paris Olympics, with a focus on the assessment of performance versus Foreign Associations

Reporters learned from the China Table Tennis Team on March 16 that the coaching staff decided to optimize the selection method for the women's team for Paris 2024, with a focus on the assessment of the athletes' performance versus foreign associations. These include including the results of the Saudi Smash 2024 that will commence on May 1st into the period of assessment, comprehensively evaluating the performance of athletes versus foreign associations during the implementation period of the Olympic selection method, and adding consideration to the performance of athletes and players from other associations in subsequent important events.

The team has decided to improve the assessment of the team's athletes' performance against players from other associations in several important events such as this year's Singapore Smash, WTT Champions Incheon, ITTF World Cup Macau, and Saudi Smash. In addition, the coaching staff will comprehensively consider the athletes' performance versus foreign associations after the "Olympic Selection Method" is released. Starting from the WTTC Durban 2023, the athletes who lose 5 matches versus foreign associations in international competitions will have their Paris Olympic singles qualifications withdrawn by the coaching staff for comprehensive evaluation. The deadline for the women's team's Olympic selection has been adjusted to May 14 after the Saudi Smash. Extending the assessment period will help further examine the athletes' competitive status in competitions versus other associations.

According to the optimized women's team selection criteria, if an athlete loses an important match against players from other associations or fails to advance out of group stage, they will no longer be awarded points for international competitions, and will also be deducted points for winner of the respective event. For example: if you lose to players from other associations in the Grand Smash, 3,000 points will be deducted; if you lose to players from other associations in the WTT Champions, 1,000 points will be deducted; if you fail to advance out of the ITTF World Cup group stage, 3,000 points will be deducted, for each loss in the ITTF World Cup, 3,000 points will be deducted, and if you lose two matches, you will be deducted 6,000 points (cumulative point deductions for the ITTF World Cup). In addition, if an athlete voluntarily gives up participating in important future competitions to avoid point deductions, the athlete's Olympic qualification will be withdrawn by the coaching staff.

https://weibo.com/1498760141/O5gUk8wcn

National Table Tennis Head Coach Li Sun interprets the new rules and emphasizes the win rate in foreign battles

In response to the new rules for the Olympic selection of the women's team, the reporter contacted Li Sun, the head coach of the China table tennis team, to interpret the rules.

Li Sun said that at the WTTC Busan, the China's women's team encountered difficulties, especially limitations of the lineup imposed by the Olympic selection method, which also sounded the alarm for us. We realize that if we do not optimize and adjust in time, we will plant hidden dangers for the upcoming Paris 2024. After the tournament, the coaching staff of the women's team and I reviewed and summarized the tournament in a timely manner and conducted deep introspection. The main purpose of this optimization and adjustment is to select the strongest lineup to successfully complete the mission at the Paris 2024 on behalf of the country.

Li Sun said that after the coaching staff's discussion on the optimization and adjustment of the rules, everyone believed that the original Olympic selection method was generally fair, just, open and transparent, but it lacked evaluation of the performance versus foreign associations. Moreover, there are still limitations in the minor details, especially in terms of lineup and match-ups of playing styles. Therefore, this optimization mainly reflects that the coaching staff focus on the performance of athletes versus foreign associations, including the performance versus foreign associations throughout the entire preparation cycle. Athletes who lose to foreign associations in competitions will no longer be awarded bonus points for international competitions, and bonus points for winners in the respective events will also be deducted. At the same time, adding the assessment of Saudi Smash on top of the original basis is also to better evaluate the competitive states of athletes.

As for the issue of candidates for the Olympic Games that everyone is most concerned about, Li Sun said that "based on the previous performance versus foreign associations, in the competition for the Olympic candidates of the women's team, Wang Yidi has lost many matches versus foreign associations in the past year. At the WTTC 2023 Durban, the Asian Games 2022 Hangzhou, and the WTTC 2024 Busan, she lost to the main Olympic opponents, which is also extremely rare in the history of national table tennis preparations for the Olympics. After collective research of the coaching staff, it was unanimously agreed upon that she is no longer suitable to continue participating in the Olympic singles competition. Currently, from the perspective of the women's team, Sun Yingsha, Chen Meng, and Wang Manyu occupy the leading positions in the Olympic singles competition, and they all have rich experience in completing Olympic missions, especially Sun Yingsha's excellent performance in the Paris preparation period. Therefore, objectively speaking, the competition for the no. 2 singles candidate will be more intense. I hope that the women’s team will take this selection optimization as an opportunity to hone themselves in subsequent competitions and strive to earn glory for the country at the Paris 2024."

Li Sun said that the team's key goal and mission at this stage is to select the strongest women's team lineup for the Paris 2024 and go all in to prepare for the Olympics. I hope that the whole team will use this as motivation to stay united and earn glory for the country at the Paris Olympics. The coaching staff will also use the optimized selection method to select athletes with excellent external records and who can complete the Olympic mission to participate in subsequent international competitions and the Olympic Games. Li Sun also said that the coaching staff will maintain a dynamic evaluation of the selection method to ensure that the selection is scientific and efficient.

As the Paris 2024 approaches, the national team's coaching team and athletes are meeting the challenge with a new attitude. I believe that through the optimization of this selection method, the women's team will show an even better performance at the Olympics and win honors for the country.
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Commentator said he had a 91% win rate against non-Chinese in the match against Chengrui. Stat sounds crazy and implausible to me though. There's no way for me to confirm it.
Off the top of my head he lost to LJH, LYJ, TH, JWJ, TY, KK in the last 3 years. I think Fan has lost more.
Replying over here to avoid getting drowned out quickly. WCQ has lost 4 in MS and 2 in MT, whereas FZD has lost 4 in MS and 1 in MT.

XTWC 2023 is excluded
WCQ
MS
2-4 LYJ, WTT CS Frankfurt 2023
2-3 Tanaka, ATTC 2023
3-4 LJH, Asian Cup 2022
2-3 Karlsson, WTT CS Budapest 2022
MD
ML/WCQ 2-3 LSS/CDS, WTT SCT Budapest 2022
WCQ/FZD 2-3 Falck/Karlsson, WTTC 2021
MT
2-3 JWJ, WTTC 2024
1-3 Harimoto, WTTC 2022

FZD
MS
1-3 LSS, WTT CS Frankfurt 2023
2-3 A. Lebrun, WTT CS Macau 2023
2-3 CDS, WTT SCT Goa 2023
2-3 Ovtcharov, WTT Cup Finals Xinxiang 2022
MD
2-3 Falck/Karlsson, WTTC 2021
MT
2-3 Harimoto, WTTC 2022
XD
WMY/FZD 0-3 Harimoto/Hayata, Singapore Smash 2023

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建设一个围观巴黎周期的表格楼(更新输外战记录表格为巴黎周期
https://www.douban.com/group/topic/299663365

Losses versus non-teammates (as of 2024/1/1)
https://docs.qq.com/sheet/DVGVSVWp3RGZ4bWhu?tab=ss_uo1ai5
 
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How does the coaching team expect WYD to take in that decision. Maybe it'll have been better to keep it to themselves and let it be known after the selection events are over. They've basically told WYD that she has nothing to play for. She might as well become the next Ito/ SYB and refuse to play/train.
 
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Courtesy of Google Translate for translating the transcripts from the Tieba thread below.

Video of SYS, CM, WMY, WYD and CXT commenting on the modified selection system
https://weibo.com/7556183438/O5jhNc5iR

王曼昱:直接说为奥运会做准备,真皇啊 (Wang Manyu directly talks about preparing for the Olympics, so royal)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8938061461
中国女乒五大主力关于巴黎奥运选拔办法的采访视频版与文字版。

孙颖莎:面对竞争和规则,大家都是处于公平去比赛的,竞争巴黎奥运会的我们几个人的水平都在伯仲之间,大家都是全力以赴打好每一场比赛,尤其是外战。在奥运会之前,外战更重要一些,每一个都是公平的。不管最后谁能参加巴黎奥运会,都是以祖国荣誉高于一切,每人都尽自己的每一份责任完成好巴黎奥运会。

陈梦:傍晚看到了这个新的选拔方法,其实大家都已经做好了充分迎接挑战的准备。这种办法出台之后,能让运动员更快进入奥运会的备战状态,包括承受比赛的压力。对于国乒来说,从来都不惧怕任何压力的。尤其从这些比赛的压力,我们能够主动转换为动力。面对接下来的奥运会,能够以非常积极的态度去看待,只有在在这些比赛中承受压力,代表国乒在奥运会出战,才能真正承受得住,所以现在是积极的状态。

王曼昱:刚刚得知选拔办法出来后,当下的感受更多的还是比较紧张,对外协的压力更大一些。但还是非常有利于我们从奥运会的角度出发,更进入奥运状态,专注投入到对外协的比赛中。在面临他们的挑战和压力,更加专注比赛,为奥运会做准备。

王艺迪:感谢国家的培养,感谢协会的信任,能够让我参加这么多国际比赛。但是近一年的比赛中面对主要对手自己整体能力不够,输了这么多场外战。对于承担奥运会的任务,每个人的位置不同,角色不同,我们的目标是奥运会金牌,无论自己在什么位置,都会做好自己,打好剩下的比赛。

陈幸同:之前一直都是加分,没有扣分,这个机制,更锻炼对外战的抗压压力,资格办法能够选出最优秀的运动员去参加奥运会。对我来说,这个规则出来之前和之后,面对外战压力都是满分的,这个新规,对于我自己来说都是一样的。
Video and text versions of interviews with the five main Chinese women's table tennis players on the selection methods for the Paris Olympics.

Sun Yingsha: In the face of competition and rules, everyone competes on a fair basis. The level of the several of us competing for the Paris Olympics is at the same level. We all go all out to win every game, especially foreign games. Before the Olympics, foreign wars are more important, and everyone is fair. No matter who can participate in the Paris Olympics in the end, they will put the honor of the motherland above all else, and everyone will do their part to complete the Paris Olympics.

Chen Meng: I saw this new selection method in the evening. In fact, everyone is fully prepared to meet the challenge. After the introduction of this method, athletes can quickly enter the preparation state for the Olympic Games, including withstanding the pressure of competition. For the national table tennis team, they are never afraid of any pressure. Especially from the pressure of these games, we can proactively convert it into motivation. Facing the next Olympics, we can look at it with a very positive attitude. Only by bearing the pressure in these competitions and representing the national table tennis team in the Olympics can we truly withstand it, so we are in a positive state now.

Wang Manyu: After I just learned about the selection method, I feel more nervous at the moment, and the pressure on external associations is even greater. But it is still very helpful for us to start from the perspective of the Olympics, enter the Olympic state, and focus on the competition with foreign countries. Facing their challenges and pressures, they focus more on competition and prepare for the Olympics.

Wang Yidi: Thanks to the country for its training and the association for its trust in allowing me to participate in so many international competitions. However, in the past year of competition, my overall ability was not enough when facing my main opponents, and I lost so many off-field games. Regarding the task of undertaking the Olympic Games, everyone has a different position and a different role. Our goal is the Olympic gold medal. No matter where we are, we will do our best and play the rest of the game well.

Chen Xingtong: In the past, there were always bonus points and no deductions. This mechanism has further strengthened the ability to withstand the pressure of foreign wars. The qualification method can select the best athletes to participate in the Olympic Games. For me, before and after this rule came out, I had full marks when facing the pressure of foreign wars. This new rule is the same for me.
 
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How does the coaching team expect WYD to take in that decision. Maybe it'll have been better to keep it to themselves and let it be known after the selection events are over. They've basically told WYD that she has nothing to play for. She might as well become the next Ito/ SYB and refuse to play/train.
She can play for Women's teams assuming they are being literal. But that said, everyone and their unborn little ones in the womb knew this was coming already - WYD was just pretending not to know. The two losses to Hayata closed the discussion but then another loss to Hirano, another loss to India, the number of losses gave them a way to make it happen without eliminating other players... obviously at her best, she is easily competitive with all of them, but the real problem is the existence of WMY. With WMY's existence and resurgence in form, taking the risks of fielding CM (already 30 and sporting back injury and losses to Bernadette and now Hayata) or WYD makes little sense. If SYS or WMY lose, they have far more cover. Even last year, when they announced this, we knew in the end, they would find a way to send SYS and WMY.

The funny thing is that I remember you arguing that the players are so well compensated and cared for that being training partners and "clones" is not a big deal to them.
 
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How does the coaching team expect WYD to take in that decision. Maybe it'll have been better to keep it to themselves and let it be known after the selection events are over. They've basically told WYD that she has nothing to play for. She might as well become the next Ito/ SYB and refuse to play/train.
Anyone that battled their way to the CNT are not snowflakes...
 
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there is that problem in CNT - WYD is 27 years old.
Time isn't on her side.

XX couldn't wait for Olympics, same as LSW.
that's life in CNT, some people will just need to sacrifice they desires/dream for others to fulfill and call it "team player".
 
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王芸迪は選考レース「脱落」、孫穎莎はパリ五輪「当確」。中国女子が選考方法を改定
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/170286
しかし、王芸迪は今回の選考期間で海外選手に6回敗れており、そのうち5回が日本選手(早田ひな・2回/平野美宇・2回/木原美悠・1回)。これまで多くのチャンスを王芸迪に与えてきたコーチ陣としても、パリ五輪団体決勝での日本戦を見据え、「我慢の限界」ということか。常に臨機応変、目標を達成するために最も合理的な手段を選ぶのが中国流だ。
However, Wang Yidi has lost 6 times to foreign players during this selection period, 5 of which were to Japanese players (Hayata Hina twice; Hirano Miu twice; Kihara Miyu once). Even the coaching staff, who have given Wang Yidi many opportunities up until now, are now at the limit of their patience as they look ahead to the match against Japan in the team final of the Paris Olympics. The Chinese way is to always be flexible and choose the most rational means to achieve their goals.
 
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王芸迪は選考レース「脱落」、孫穎莎はパリ五輪「当確」。中国女子が選考方法を改定
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/170286

However, Wang Yidi has lost 6 times to foreign players during this selection period, 5 of which were to Japanese players (Hayata Hina twice; Hirano Miu twice; Kihara Miyu once). Even the coaching staff, who have given Wang Yidi many opportunities up until now, are now at the limit of their patience as they look ahead to the match against Japan in the team final of the Paris Olympics. The Chinese way is to always be flexible and choose the most rational means to achieve their goals.
I remembered I forgot Kihara after I wrote my post, and again, the existence of WMY is the key. They framed it as a singles thing, but the reality is that WYD is just toast with respect to the Olympics, the team is better able to tolerate Chen Meng at #3.

The Chen Meng and Wang Manyu pairing is already being utilized so it is clear where this is all going.
 
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Replying over here to avoid getting drowned out quickly. WCQ has lost 4 in MS and 2 in MT, whereas FZD has lost 4 in MS and 1 in MT.

XTWC 2023 is excluded
WCQ
MS
2-4 LYJ, WTT CS Frankfurt 2023
2-3 Tanaka, ATTC 2023
3-4 LJH, Asian Cup 2022
2-3 Karlsson, WTT CS Budapest 2022
MD
ML/WCQ 2-3 LSS/CDS, WTT SCT Budapest 2022
WCQ/FZD 2-3 Falck/Karlsson, WTTC 2021
MT
2-3 JWJ, WTTC 2024
1-3 Harimoto, WTTC 2022

FZD
MS
1-3 LSS, WTT CS Frankfurt 2023
2-3 A. Lebrun, WTT CS Macau 2023
2-3 CDS, WTT SCT Goa 2023
2-3 Ovtcharov, WTT Cup Finals Xinxiang 2022
MD
2-3 Falck/Karlsson, WTTC 2021
MT
2-3 Harimoto, WTTC 2022
XD
WMY/FZD 0-3 Harimoto/Hayata, Singapore Smash 2023

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建设一个围观巴黎周期的表格楼(更新输外战记录表格为巴黎周期
https://www.douban.com/group/topic/299663365

Losses versus non-teammates (as of 2024/1/1)
https://docs.qq.com/sheet/DVGVSVWp3RGZ4bWhu?tab=ss_uo1ai5
What
Replying over here to avoid getting drowned out quickly. WCQ has lost 4 in MS and 2 in MT, whereas FZD has lost 4 in MS and 1 in MT.

XTWC 2023 is excluded
WCQ
MS
2-4 LYJ, WTT CS Frankfurt 2023
2-3 Tanaka, ATTC 2023
3-4 LJH, Asian Cup 2022
2-3 Karlsson, WTT CS Budapest 2022
MD
ML/WCQ 2-3 LSS/CDS, WTT SCT Budapest 2022
WCQ/FZD 2-3 Falck/Karlsson, WTTC 2021
MT
2-3 JWJ, WTTC 2024
1-3 Harimoto, WTTC 2022

FZD
MS
1-3 LSS, WTT CS Frankfurt 2023
2-3 A. Lebrun, WTT CS Macau 2023
2-3 CDS, WTT SCT Goa 2023
2-3 Ovtcharov, WTT Cup Finals Xinxiang 2022
MD
2-3 Falck/Karlsson, WTTC 2021
MT
2-3 Harimoto, WTTC 2022
XD
WMY/FZD 0-3 Harimoto/Hayata, Singapore Smash 2023

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建设一个围观巴黎周期的表格楼(更新输外战记录表格为巴黎周期
https://www.douban.com/group/topic/299663365

Losses versus non-teammates (as of 2024/1/1)
https://docs.qq.com/sheet/DVGVSVWp3RGZ4bWhu?tab=ss_uo1ai5
What about Ma Long? The entire thing is Chinese so I don’t really understand it. Thanks in advance.
 
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Note that ML lost to Franziska twice in a row.

ML
MS
2-3 Franziska, Singapore Smash 2024
1-4 LYJ, WTT CS Frankfurt 2023
1-3 LYJ, WTT CS Xinxiang 2023
3-4 M. Yoshimura, WTTC 2023 Durban Asian Continental Stage
2-3 Franziska, WTT CS Budapest 2022
MD
ML/WCQ 2-3 LSS/CDS, WTT SCT Budapest 2022
MT
2-3 LSS, WTTC 2024
 
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MS
2-3 Franziska, Singapore Smash 2024
1-4 LYJ, WTT CS Frankfurt 2023
1-3 LYJ, WTT CS Xinxiang 2023
3-4 M. Yoshimura, WTTC 2023 Durban Asian Continental Stage
2-3 Franziska, WTT CS Budapest 2022
MD
ML/WCQ 2-3 LSS/CDS, WTT SCT Budapest 2022
MT
2-3 LSS, WTTC 2024
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