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Yangzi Liu somehow made that match very close with Joo Cheonhui despite being absolutely awful in the serve receive department. If she can clean that up, she might be able to pull off an upset or two sometime soon. She was able to rally well with Miwa, and was the stronger player against even Joo when the point went more than a few shots.
 
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It seems like people are mostly getting caught up with my comment that "only the Chinese are better than him". Without taking things too literally my point is that Gauzy has been a top non-Chinese or non-Asian player for much of his career and he is in the realm of player that (as referenced in my world rankings comment) that is the second tier of world class, with the first tier being the true Olympic and World Champs contenders. And as @NextLevel referenced I've never seen him really threatening that tier of player, which throughout his career until the last two years or so, has been mostly just Chinese players. Hence my original comment that started all of this lol.
 
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It seems like people are mostly getting caught up with my comment that "only the Chinese are better than him". Without taking things too literally my point is that Gauzy has been a top non-Chinese or non-Asian player for much of his career and he is in the realm of player that (as referenced in my world rankings comment) that is the second tier of world class, with the first tier being the true Olympic and World Champs contenders. And as @NextLevel referenced I've never seen him really threatening that tier of player, which throughout his career until the last two years or so, has been mostly just Chinese players. Hence my original comment that started all of this lol.

I have a feeling you didn't bother go check the ITTF stats on Gauzy
 
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I think he more than held his own on the BH.
I don't think Aruna's BH is particularly weak. It's true he doesn't have BH loop but efficient BH block can make up a lot for lack of BH loops/flicks, especially if you have a prime formidable big forehand. Ma Long, over his most career, also applies block as his prime BH weapon, of course, his BH blocks is better than Aruna.
Aruna's BH blocks sometimes applies punching motion making the ball trajectory fast and flat difficult for the opponents to continue looping. His BH blocks doesn't score him many direct points but more often force the opponents to soften the loop and let him pivot to his forehand.

Harimoto knows well the threat Aruna's forehand poses, directs most shots to his backhand. The fact Aruna has beat him twice in a row shows his BH can withstand the attack and win some points there.
 
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For Gauzy, who plays ITTF and WTT tournaments regularly, I would say his WR reflects his skills better than other players (most Chinese non-top tier ones).
Closing out matches when you are ahead is a very important part of the skill(mental strength) and you can not use losing many closing games as an excuse for his low rank. Just like I won't say Lin Gaoyuan could be the best if he doesn't choke many times in big matches.

Gauzy has a great touch and feel for the game which let him show case with terrific plays here and there. Unfortunately those stylish points is just too few to win you enough match although it generates "wow" effects among fans.

I refer Gauzy as European Xu Xin who can amaze audiences with their magic touches. But it seems both don't place winning as the only drive to their game, like XX once said, he may not win most games but he wanted to be the most creative and entertaining player in the world.

For a fan, I admire winners like Ma Long, ZJK but also appreciate players XX and Gauzy who make the game so stylish and entertaining to watch.
 
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I dunno. I have the feeling every time I see him that he is capable of real brilliance but just hasn't been consistent enough. Like he has the parts but just can't put it together.
He seems to play better against better opponents but ultimately lose and then play poorly against lesser opponents and often lose matches it seems he shouldn't.
It could be the motivation you refer to but it could also be that French flair we often refer to, something that when it clicks it's unstoppable but it's not always there or always backed up on the hard days. These are rugby and football generalisations I'm making but they are often true.
I'd love to see his undoubted brilliance maintained for a period of time but maybe it's too late and will never happen.?
Somehow he manages to seem less than the sun of his parts, maybe it's a mental hurdle he hasn't overcome 🤷
If you have watched or hung around top players, you will know they are all capable of real brilliance and their consistency in bringing quality is what separates them at every level. Also one of the issues they continually have is to continue to figure out how much they can be conservative with their game as opposed to investing time in learning new things.

The main question here is not whether Gauzy is a good player. The question here is whether turbozed created a narrative that truly describes Gauzy's career as opposed to maybe a view overly influenced by the last year or 6 months (and even with that, probably still incomplete). I'm with PongCommenter that it sounds more like an interesting view of recent results and might not be entirely accurate either.

For someone like me who even if not playing TT that long but who started following the tour seriously in 2011, Gauzy is one of the players I have followed from top junior to current status. I just don't get the description from turbozed as a career description. Gauzy has always had decent technique, but he has also often prioritized having a small form over finishing power on the forehand side.

The risk taking in recent times and the surge in prominence was clearly a result of the fact that the Lebruns made it difficult to keep a spot on the Olympic team and also exposed themselves to him in practice. So it was no longer about trying to sit on a No 1 spot, it was now about fighting to play Olympic singles even though he ultimately came up short. But other than that, Gauzy's game is more or less what it has always been, just executed a bit more emphatically now because he has internal competition to fend off.
 
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Yes, Togami adapted well to WCQ’s game towards the end but that second game was too atrocious to watch, especially after not being able to close the first game
1st set holding 1 game point, 3rd set holding 2 game point and still can't convert is normal Togami behavior now. Watching his match is fun but painful, yes he's improving but he has to work smarter, don't just try to bam bam the opponent
 
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Technically, Gauzy's game has all the elements except speed or quickness which IMHO is the most important attribute for TT. That is why when he plays speed monster Felix he so often is pushed away from the table lobbing or countering, quite a few his stylish plays happen when he is far away.

Similarly, Xu Xin is also one of the slowest players in CNT often gets pushed away from the table doing his cloud walking magic.

Playing with high speed while maintaining certain consistency is the most important factor winning the game of TT. This was true in most of the past, is true at current and will be true in the future. For that reason, I can predict choppers will never reach and stay at the top.

For the same reason, I can explain why Ma Long is the best, because he is the best combo of speed and consistency backed up by his out-of-this-world agility.
 
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For Gauzy, who plays ITTF and WTT tournaments regularly, I would say his WR reflects his skills better than other players (most Chinese non-top tier ones).
Closing out matches when you are ahead is a very important part of the skill(mental strength) and you can not use losing many closing games as an excuse for his low rank. Just like I won't say Lin Gaoyuan could be the best if he doesn't choke many times in big matches.

Gauzy has a great touch and feel for the game which let him show case with terrific plays here and there. Unfortunately those stylish points is just too few to win you enough match although it generates "wow" effects among fans.

I refer Gauzy as European Xu Xin who can amaze audiences with their magic touches. But it seems both don't place winning as the only drive to their game, like XX once said, he may not win most games but he wanted to be the most creative and entertaining player in the world.

For a fan, I admire winners like Ma Long, ZJK but also appreciate players XX and Gauzy who make the game so stylish and entertaining to watch.
Absolutely. If we're going to play the what-if game then lets make sure we do it for everybody. If Harimoto had a better forehand then he wouldn't have lost several close ones against the best. If Lin Yun Ju had more power then he wouldn't have lost several close ones against the best. If Truls had a better backhand he may be the 2021 World Champ and 2024 Olympic Champ as we speak.

I understand that showmen players like Gauzy, Niwa, and XX often give fans the impression of them being some mega talent which can then give way to the "unrealized potential" narrative. As mentioned above, if you've been behind the scenes you see that most top players can do the strawberry flicks and chopblocks and Anders Lind sidespin chops, whether they make that a key feature of their game is another thing though. And as easy as it is to go point to losses where Gauzy lost by two points, or 1-3, or 2-3 (which I don't agree necessarily means a match was close)... did any of these people ever genuinely think Gauzy was going to win when LJK leveled from 7-2 to 7-7 in the fifth? Did anyone ever think Gauzy was going to make a deep run in a Worlds or Olympics singles? Did anyone ever think Gauzy could be counted on to take a point or two in a France vs China team match? Did anyone ever place an underdog bet on Gauzy vs a top Chinese player? If not, why are we acting like its so controversial to say that he wasn't ever a huge threat to the best?
 
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Technically, Gauzy's game has all the elements except speed or quickness which IMHO is the most important attribute for TT. That is why when he plays speed monster Felix he so often is pushed away from the table lobbing or countering, quite a few his stylish plays happen when he is far away.

Similarly, Xu Xin is also one of the slowest players in CNT often gets pushed away from the table doing his cloud walking magic.

Playing with high speed while maintaining certain consistency is the most important factor winning the game of TT. This was true in most of the past, is true at current and will be true in the future. For that reason, I can predict choppers will never reach and stay at the top.

For the same reason, I can explain why Ma Long is the best, because he is the best combo of speed and consistency backed up by his out-of-this-world agility.
100%. Good offense beats good defense at the highest levels and he has always lacked the speed and/or power to compete offensively at the top, and your defense is less of a threat when you don't have an offensive threat, XX was better than Gauzy in that regard.
 
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I think PongCommenter is closer to the truth than you are. Gauzy even when playing well has never really threatened better players. His win over Xu Xin was followed by the loss to Falck. His current play is partly a result of the arrival of the Lebruns as they have pushed up the overall level of France and given Gauzy a challenge to maintain a place on a team where he was usually the default leader. But other than this recent period where his level was pushed up by trying to stave off the Lebruns, I have never seen Gauzy as a perennial Contender who pushed but ultimately lost to better players. Germany with Boll and Dima stable dominated Europe for the past decade even with occasional incursions by Samsonov or the random Lebesson or Groth or Ionescu surge. Gauzy is just another one of the top players in Europe who just never had the right motivation IMHO to do what it took to get better because it might have risked what he already had. His late change to faster blades is a symptom of this.
Ok I can't let you say those kind of bullshit, Gauzy's motivation can't be questionable, he trains way harder than everyone in the France's squad, his physicality is above the Bros who always praise his hours of core strengthening, I mean can you do splits on rallies ? BH around the net shots on the FH side ? but this very demanding type of physical playing leads to injuries, we all know that, Alexis knows that too.

He's always been very sincere about his mental condition: he's suffered from burn-out some years ago, and yes it was partly about the Lebrun's uprising, but also because he wanted to capitalise on the good Tokyo OG he made and he literally burnt himself at this game playing too much. He just adapted himself to the new material cos' he was an allwood blade aficionado.

For fck sake, how many europeans in the top10 can claim they've beaten Xu Xin in one of the Grand Slam event with an all wood blade ? NONE

We all have our failures, Simon Gauzy is not the best euro player and he knows it, all he wants now is having fun and to serve Team France the best he can. Doing the double duties in Paris is the proof he adapted to the situation, the best double is the Lebrun Bros, but to keep Felix at the 1st place right after the double match he does the double with Alexis and that's not the best combination for France, and still... he fights his arse off, like he did with Alexis vs Japan for the bronze medal match. Manu only have 1 big win on the international stage, with no asian in there in single events, remember that. To keep Felix fresh in singles event even his bro Alexis adapted to the situation by playing the XD with Yuan Jianan.

And that's also the proof that Han Hua has terribly failed to push France to the heights it deserves, that's why Gilles Erb has succeeded to be the FFTT president, but remember: he's been elected on ashes in december 2020, when the Bros were still training in their parents basement, in the pandemic. Erb has been very lucky, and he knows it, and he's capitalized on this by firing Han Hua and naming Jean-Nicolas Barelier as the new DTN, and then by bringing up the Team Lebrun up to the Direction Technique Nationale with Nathanael Molin as the new captain of the men's team. He had to make Patrick Chila understand it was the right thing to do, we're talking about Chila here, an OG bronze medalist in doubles ! one of the french musketeers of the 90's era ! the guys who was coaching... Simon Gauzy when he defeated Xu Xin !
 
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I have a feeling you're not trying to understand the point I'm making and are arguing something different entirely, for reasons I'm not sure.
well, he isn't a top non Chinese imo.
he is a very good player, but can't finish off.
he is good enough to take world top 3s and 5s into deuces, and loose, or loose by 2 if we can put it that way.
so he isn't even a top European for that matter.

honestly speaking, what turbozed had claimed (that you disagreed with), there is probably no other player like Gauzy that is so good, so close, but been doing that most of his career (if you went to check stats, you can see for yourself)

"Simon Gauzy tests much higher rated opponent while making highlight reel shots but utlimately loses a close match"

Seems like a consistent headline for much of Gauzy's career it seems.

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Weird take. Considering he's had a career spanning over a decade what specific examples are you referring to? I ask because only the Chinese are much higher rated than he has been over the last decade and he's generally been pretty non-competitive with them.
if any, your few claims, especially the non-competitive with Chinese is totally wrong. He is one of the most competitive against Chinese for more matches than not.

I would say, if it wasn't for Harimoto and LYJ wins against Chinese, Gauzy probably average more points against Chinese than many top non Chinese players. But we talking top 10 player (more consistent results) versus 30 (loosing too earlier in tournaments).

Gauzy was only a top 10 player for 4 months, he should of been there for way longer - hence I said, it is such a pity. He is that good!

So turbozed is right and I agree with the statement of "ultimately loses a close match - Seems like a consistent headline for much of Gauzy's career"
 
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It is true, and I suggest you should read this before just saying "it's not true" without giving us any source

 
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It is true, and I suggest you should read this before just saying "it's not true" without giving us any source

I still remember chatting with Taiwan's junior coach
saying, little Felix, messing around with cpen, first opinion was, what the heck? and our players beating him very comfortably
and then covid came and went, no body played against Felix for 2 years and Felix become a top senior player within a year.

Gauzy went from no1 to no3 in that same time...

imagine, Hugo, HT, LYJ or who ever, who have 2 kids just come out of no where and overtake you as the countries number 1.
not just push to no 2, but to no 3....
that is really tough.

I wasn't aware of Gauzy mental issues, but he is a top player that got stuck in the 20~30, and I thought with new ranking, it should of been easier for him to be higher ranked.

if Gauzy was 5 year younger and mentally healthy, and can get into top 15... imagine France with Felix at top 5, Alexis at top 10 and Gauzy at top 15.
This would be a dream for any country, unmatched by Germany, Taiwan, Japan, Korea.

Maybe if he is mentally healthy today, he can still be top 15
 
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Some people here seems to underestimate how much genetics are responsible for your results, even in the same family. should we talk about the Lebrun's genetics ?
- many knee and back issues for Alexis
- sister Roxanne having to undergo multiple heart surgeries
- and Felix ? nothing, nada, que dalle !

Lebron James: 20th year in the NBA, always more than 50 games per season, on average being 70 games per season, 2 times OG gold, his son Bronny ? heart attack at 18, congenital condition.

Genetics also apply to mental health, many people with mental disorders have at least one parent or grand-parents who had to deal with mental disorders.
 
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