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Any Harimoto doubters left out there? Current ranking (3) aside, it looks like he's taken the big step up from top 10-15 level to solid top 5. He's flipped his forehand from weakness to strength, but also his receive game is more precise with more variation. Can WCQ and LSD hold him off this year? Singapore should be interesting.
These are largely players he has always beaten - beating a player you could beat before is largely uninteresting. Until he beats WCQ or Felix Lebrun in a big match for a big title, there will always be doubters. Yes he beat LSD twice but that comes with asterisks.
 
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Any Harimoto doubters left out there? Current ranking (3) aside, it looks like he's taken the big step up from top 10-15 level to solid top 5. He's flipped his forehand from weakness to strength, but also his receive game is more precise with more variation. Can WCQ and LSD hold him off this year? Singapore should be interesting.
Did you watch his last match against WCQ? It wasn’t so long ago and he got beaten to pulp on his home soil. He still hasn’t proved himself
 
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Did you watch his last match against WCQ? It wasn’t so long ago and he got beaten to pulp on his home soil. He still hasn’t proved himself
Yes, WCQ is the final frontier for Harimoto. Still hasn't shown he can get there.
 
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Yes, WCQ is the final frontier for Harimoto. Still hasn't shown he can get there.
And Felix as well. The contests do not encourage much confidence, though it looks like Harimoto should be more competitive. Harimoto's current top 5 is more about ML and FZD retirement than something we didn't see last year so far. He has to do something we didn't see last year to get over the hump - beat a few problem guys convincingly (Kallberg, Moregardh, JWJ), beat Felix and WCQ in big matches - then maybe we will see this as a change from last year.
 
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Yes, WCQ is the final frontier for Harimoto. Still hasn't shown he can get there.
As long as those amazing serves by WCQ aren't called by players or umpires, no one can really beat WCQ, unless someone spends a lot of time studying his serves, like ML in the last world cup.

I think HT was trying FZD way in his match against HYZ today, moving around a little more and playing a little far away from the table.
 
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And Felix as well. The contests do not encourage much confidence, though it looks like Harimoto should be more competitive. Harimoto's current top 5 is more about ML and FZD retirement than something we didn't see last year so far. He has to do something we didn't see last year to get over the hump - beat a few problem guys convincingly (Kallberg, Moregardh, JWJ), beat Felix and WCQ in big matches - then maybe we will see this as a change from last year.
Agree. But if he'd already beaten these guys then it would be no fun predicting that this is his year to do it.
 
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As long as those amazing serves by WCQ aren't called by players or umpires, no one can really beat WCQ, unless someone spends a lot of time studying his serves, like ML in the last world cup.
Serve/receive is the key. Harimoto's receive keeps getting better. Not sure about his current serve, but it seems to be working for him.
 
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To set the (international) record straight:
Harimoto 2 H2H 10 WCQ
Harimoto 4 H2H 1 LSD

Moregard 1 H2H 9 WCQ
Moregard 0 H2H 1 LSD

F. Lebrun 0 H2H 3 WCQ
F. Lebrun 3 H2H 2 LSD

It's WCQ, who is 24 but actually 26, that has to prove his worth at this point, with just 1 continental title - Asian Games 2022.

F. Lebrun and Moregard have more miserable H2H against the CNT players (not just the core ones). There is clearly a recency bias here. Harimoto blows those two out of the water when it comes to beating core CNT players in major competitions. He has been on the scene for far longer than those two and so more thoroughly studied. Put those two back in 2017 and I can say with confidence their records would have been way worse than now.
 
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F. Lebrun and Moregard .... Put those two back in 2017 and I can say with confidence their records would have been way worse than now.
Well in 2017 Felix was like nine years old. So def would have struggled against CNT of that era.
 
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@pongfugrasshopper has a good point, you persist in acting like Hayata has no medals with her bad management and Miu Hirano has won every medal under the sun with her good management. One would never know that outside of team events, the last big singles medal Hirano won is now approaching over 7 years (soon to be a decade). And Hayata, if her current level is beating Yokoi, has enough time look for antidotes and even retire gracefully. If she drops out of the national team, was there any guarantee that anyone who played at the last Olympics ion singles would be viable for the next Olympics? What will Miu's management have earned her after one notes that she still enjoyed all the injuries that kept her from the medals last Olympics and might be going through more now but you ignore that to push your preferred narrative about Hayata?

It is really funny people are calling Hayata the shortest first lady and you are proud to repeat it when we know that WTTC 2019 was largely what kept her out of Tokyo 2021 and not a playing level issue. She has dominated Japan for a period of close to 5 years and has won all the major medals she was eligible for with a few exceptions- all good things come to an end.
Don't make me repeat myself. Go convince Harimoto, Mizutani and Hirano Sayaka. Even they don't give much weight to medals won against WYD. Miwa has a World Cup bronze by going through WYD, so?

Hirano and Ito have titles, and by going through multiple core CNT players. Hayata has one - Portugal Open 2019, which was only a Challenge event, by going through LSW.

Tell "outside of team events" to JTTA, which made another exception after ATTC 2017 and paid out bonuses to the players for winning the MS/WT/WD of ATTC 2024 by going through top CNT players, which was said to be a significant achievement of Japanese table tennis in half a century. Freeloader Hayata got her cut, too.
 
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Well in 2017 Felix was like nine years old. So def would have struggled against CNT of that era.
And Harimto was 13 (Felix is just 3 years younger), when he started beating core CNT players.
 
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Don't make me repeat myself. Go convince Harimoto, Mizutani and Hirano Sayaka. Even they don't give much weight to medals won against WYD. Miwa has a World Cup bronze by going through WYD, so?
No zeio.. that's your interpretation of what they said. When you actually look at what they said, it's clear they do think highly of Hayata's win over WYD. These are from your links:

Harimoto: Even among the women, it's amazing that Hayata-san (Hina Hayata/Nippon Life Insurance Company) defeated Wang Yidi (China), but there is Sun Yingsha (China), and after that, Chen Meng (China) is waiting​

Sayaka Hirano:​
--The women's team final at the World Championships saw Japan corner China right up to the final match, raising expectations that Japan might finally change history.​
"That's true. But it wasn't that surprising to me. I watched the Asian Games held in September and October last year at the venue and felt that the distance between Japan and China was changing a little. At that time, Hayata Hina won the women's singles semi-finals in an individual match against Wang Yidi in a full game, and in the doubles quarter-finals, the pair of Harimoto Miwa and Kihara Miyu won against former world champion pair Sun Yingsha and Wang Manyu with a game count of 3-1.​
Mizutani (critical but also praises Hayata):​
It felt like Hayata had "reached the bare minimum" when she beat Wang Yidi, who was ranked third in the world (then/now) and was China's fourth-ranked player, in the quarterfinals of the women's singles. --Hayata won the full game, and the final game was 21 to 19, an impossible score in the 11-point table tennis system. Mizutani: You've really gotten strong in the last year or two. You've been consistently performing well since the first qualifying tournament in March last year, and this was your first time beating a Chinese player on the big stage of the World Championships. I think Hayata is the most stable and powerful Japanese woman right now. --She is also leading the women's Paris Olympic qualifying points, with a huge lead of 185.5 points over runner-up Hirano Miu. What do you think is the biggest improvement in her play? Mizutani: Her backhand . In her match against Wang Yidi, there weren't many scenes where she scored points with her forehand, and she scored a lot with her backhand. But there are parts where I think she could have won more easily if she had used her strong forehand. Hayata's forehand is so powerful that even male players can't get it.​

So Harimoto says it was amazing Hayata beat WYD. Sayaka Hirano says she wasn't surprised at Japan's success against China at the 2024 WTTTC (where Hayata beat CM btw) because at the Asian Games she witnessed Hayata beat WYD. And even though Mizutani says it's the bare minimum, he goes on to praise Hayata for how stable and powerful she has become as Japan TT Women's leader.
 
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Don't make me repeat myself. Go convince Harimoto, Mizutani and Hirano Sayaka. Even they don't give much weight to medals won against WYD. Miwa has a World Cup bronze by going through WYD, so?

Hirano and Ito have titles, and by going through multiple core CNT players. Hayata has one - Portugal Open 2019, which was only a Challenge event, by going through LSW.

Tell "outside of team events" to JTTA, which made an exception and paid out bonuses to the players for winning the MS/WT/WD of ATTC 2024 by going through top CNT players, which was said to be a significant achievement of Japanese table tennis in half a century. Freeloader Hayata got her cut, too.
You are so full of it. The medal that got the bonus, Wang Yidi wasn't involved as well? Sun Yingsha having lost to PRK KKY and pulling out of the singles and not looking good in her next full event, was 100%? Hirano beat Chen Xingtong, who was the China #5 and only summoned because of the retirement of Chen Meng and the absence of Wang Manyu? These are the kinds of nonsense you would be bringing up if Hayata did it bur because Hirano is on the team, you just can't help yourself.

The achievements are the achievements. Hirano couldn't beat Shin Yubin to get into the medal round. The Hayata that couldn't manage herself beat the same Shin for a bronze medal. You just like to cherry pick and misinterpret stuff to support your agenda. Thankfully, readers here know far better.
 
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To set the (international) record straight:
Harimoto 2 H2H 10 WCQ
Harimoto 4 H2H 1 LSD

Moregard 1 H2H 9 WCQ
Moregard 0 H2H 1 LSD

F. Lebrun 0 H2H 0 WCQ
F. Lebrun 0 H2H 0 LSD

It's WCQ, who is 24 but actually 26, that has to prove his worth at this point, with just 1 continental title - Asian Games 2022.

F. Lebrun and Moregard have more miserable H2H against the CNT players (not just the core ones). There is clearly a recency bias here. Harimoto blows those two out of the water when it comes to beating core CNT players in major competitions. He has been on the scene for far longer than those two and so more thoroughly studied. Put those two back in 2017 and I can say with confidence their records would have been way worse than now.
What do you mean F Lebrun - WCQ and LSD 0-0 head to head? He’s played them both several times
 
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To set the (international) record straight:
Harimoto 2 H2H 10 WCQ
Harimoto 4 H2H 1 LSD

Moregard 1 H2H 9 WCQ
Moregard 0 H2H 1 LSD

F. Lebrun 0 H2H 0 WCQ
F. Lebrun 0 H2H 0 LSD

It's WCQ, who is 24 but actually 26, that has to prove his worth at this point, with just 1 continental title - Asian Games 2022.

F. Lebrun and Moregard have more miserable H2H against the CNT players (not just the core ones). There is clearly a recency bias here. Harimoto blows those two out of the water when it comes to beating core CNT players in major competitions. He has been on the scene for far longer than those two and so more thoroughly studied. Put those two back in 2017 and I can say with confidence their records would have been way worse than now.
And Harimoto's record against Felix especially and Truls secondarily? Beating China isn't everything as Felix. Hugo and Truls have proven - you have to beat everyone else in front of you as well.
 
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If LA 2028 turns out to be the Odo Cup like how Tokyo 2020 was Ito Cup, then Kuai Man is going hahaha
If anything LA 2028 will be Miwa cup. She's the only one who's almost certain to be there.

IMO only Hirano has the faintest advantage as a valued team event player given her contributions in ATTC finals (post Paris), but her singles results means that she's hanging on by the skin of her teeth. It will come down to the selection method which frankly will be difficult either way since she hasn't been able to consistently go deep domestically and internationally.

Hayata will be favoured because of her Paris singles bronze, but we all saw how that worked out for Ito and her condition essentially neutralizes that advantage.

Everyone else is pretty much starting from zero IMO. We've yet to see Odo perform on the big stage nor against top CNT players.
 
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If anything LA 2028 will be Miwa cup. She's the only one who's almost certain to be there.

IMO only Hirano has the faintest advantage as a valued team event player given her contributions in ATTC finals (post Paris), but her singles results means that she's hanging on by the skin of her teeth. It will come down to the selection method which frankly will be difficult either way since she hasn't been able to consistently go deep domestically and internationally.

Hayata will be favoured because of her Paris singles bronze, but we all saw how that worked out for Ito and her condition essentially neutralizes that advantage.

Everyone else is pretty much starting from zero IMO. We've yet to see Odo perform on the big stage nor against top CNT players.
Kuai Man has already answered that question. Beating China is not the only standard. Korea(s), Germany, Hong Kong and Chinese Taipei also have serious plans so let us see how it all plays out. North Korea and Germany are especially interesting wild cards.
 
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You just like to cherry pick and misinterpret stuff to support your agenda. Thankfully, readers here know far better.
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CNT has been its most fragile in the past 2 years and finding excuses or removing some of those losses is just trying to spin things for certain narratives. More like denial to me than anything else.
and while in denial, trying to laugh off other countries players, like Taiwan, or Japan or France or whoever, just shows the true agenda - the culture of chinese bullying

you forgot to mention 14 year old kid seems to be the biggest threat to CNT core players too, haha
 
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Serve/receive is the key. Harimoto's receive keeps getting better. Not sure about his current serve, but it seems to be working for him.
Yep. I actually have a solution for Harimoto - develop his own hidden serve variation by simply leaving his free arm out to hide the contact when he plays against a serve cheater like WCQ. If WCQ complains then Harimoto can make a counter complaint. Since the referees are all blind, might as well fight fire with fire.
 
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I am going to make it my mission to make sure all TPE national players SMILE
going to add that to my new year resolution
okay, Kuo version 1.1.

Spoke to one of his coach, they took him back to the hall today to take this photo for you all.
Kuo's first attempt to smile on the WTT circuit, improvements to follow!

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