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I would say studying players and producing players are two different things. The later based on how smoothly the TT system of that country works, while the former is about the depth of the TT team with decent coaches and players. Even Korea have not produced any player at the Grand Slam tier, their team is still strong enough to effectively study anyone, plus their coaches are very experience in doing these analyzing things. Remember JYS? He gave Ma Long and Zhang Jike hard times in 2016 olympics.
In contrast, French TT has a "good" system (not sure if I can say this). They can produce top players like Gatien, Legout, Lebrun Brothers, etc. But they do not have a "collective" nation team as Korean. You can't tell a player like Gauzy or Lebesson to simulate their rivals so that Lebrun's brothers can adapt with. However Korean team can do this since they have a strong team, wide range of players and they know how to "obey" their coaches. So the problem is not how smart you are, it is about how strong your team is.
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Bardet 0-3 Chan Baldwin (-10, -10, -12)
Baldwin yelled "wo cao" after whiffing the FH at 1211 of G3 and induced a mild reaction from Bardet or his coach. Mandarin is fast becoming another world language. LOL
 
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Anton Källberg withdrew, don’t know why…
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Oh, then i have an idea why. Last week leading up to the ttbl final it was reported that he couldn't do full training because of some shoulder issues. In the match on Sunday it also didn't look too good, 0:3 vs Togami without much chance. Sounds like he decided to skip and recover.
 
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Does Huang Youzheng have a Harimoto tracker or what ...
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Just the luck of the draw, Hayata faced SYS 16 times in 2023 or so... HYZ hasn't even had anything close to that. There's probably even more examples but that's the one that comes to mind. Hari Vs Togami is another.
 

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Shine said:
Just the luck of the draw, Hayata faced SYS 16 times in 2023 or so... HYZ hasn't even had anything close to that. There's probably even more examples but that's the one that comes to mind. Hari Vs Togami is another.
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When you are higher seeds it is the result of your seeding being justified. When it is a lower seed and a higher seed it is a curious luck of the draw even if it is clearly a luck of the draw. Can you tell the difference?
 

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Shine said:
Just the luck of the draw, Hayata faced SYS 16 times in 2023 or so... HYZ hasn't even had anything close to that. There's probably even more examples but that's the one that comes to mind. Hari Vs Togami is another.
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16 is their all-time H2H from 2014-2024 (1 in 2014, 1 in 2021, 2 in 2022, 7 in 2023, 5 in 2024), 8 times in ITTF/ATTU/Olympic WS/WT events and 8 times in WTT events. The biggest difference is they always met late in the draw as the top seeds.

Year EventName Stage Sub-Event Round Player A Player B Games Result Winner
2024Olympic Games, Paris (FRA)Main DrawWSSemiFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)11:6 11:8 11:8 11:24 - 0SUN Yingsha
2024WTT Champions, Chongqing (CHN)Main DrawWSQuarterFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)11:6 11:5 11:93 - 0SUN Yingsha
2024WTT Champions, Incheon (KOR)Main DrawWSQuarterFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)9:11 11:5 9:11 11:6 11:63 - 2SUN Yingsha
2024ITTF World Team Table Tennis Championships Finals, Busan (KOR)Main DrawWTFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)11:2 11:7 11:63 - 0SUN Yingsha
2024WTT Star Contender, Doha (QAT)Main DrawWSQuarterFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)15:13 8:11 11:7 7:11 11:93 - 2SUN Yingsha
2023Asian Games, Hangzhou (CHN)Main DrawWSFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)11:5 11:9 10:12 11:8 11:74 - 1SUN Yingsha
2023Asian Games, Hangzhou (CHN)Main DrawWTFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)11:6 12:10 8:11 11:93 - 1SUN Yingsha
2023ITTF-ATTU Asian Championships, Pyeong Chang (KOR)Main DrawWSQuarterFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)11:2 11:5 8:11 11:63 - 1SUN Yingsha
2023ITTF-ATTU Asian Championships, Pyeong Chang (KOR)Main DrawWTSemiFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)11:6 11:8 14:123 - 0SUN Yingsha
2023WTT Star Contender, Ljubljana (SLO)Main DrawWSQuarterFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)7:11 11:7 11:6 5:11 11:93 - 2SUN Yingsha
2023WTT Contender, Zagreb (CRO)Main DrawWSSemiFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)11:5 11:9 11:93 - 0SUN Yingsha
2023ITTF World Table Tennis Championships Finals, Durban (RSA)Main DrawWSSemiFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)11:4 11:5 11:8 5:11 11:84 - 1SUN Yingsha
2022WTT Star Contender European Summer Series, Budapest (HUN)Main DrawWSQuarterFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)13:11 11:8 11:63 - 0SUN Yingsha
2022Singapore Smash, Singapore (SGP)Main DrawWSQuarterFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)11:9 11:7 11:93 - 0SUN Yingsha
2021WTT Cup Finals, Singapore (SGP)Main DrawWSSemiFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)6:11 11:9 11:6 11:9 11:84 - 1SUN Yingsha
2014Asian Junior & Cadet Championships, Mumbai (IND)Main DrawCGSQuarterFinalSUN Yingsha (CHN)HAYATA Hina (JPN)12:10 11:5 11:13 5:11 11:73 - 2SUN Yingsha

OTOH, Jancarik and Zeljko ran into each other 3 times in a row in 3 consecutive tournaments at the start of the draw they took part in at the end of 2023. IIRC, Jancarik posted about it on his Instagram. They met again early (also at the start of the draw) in early 2024.

It has happened so much it's getting progressively difficult to resist confirmation bias...

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Jancarik
Year EventName Stage Sub-Event Round Player A Player B Games Result Winner
2024WTT Feeder, Otocec (SLO)JANCARIK Lubomir (CZE)GERALDO Joao (POR)MSMain DrawR322 - 311:8 11:13 7:11 11:8 10:12GERALDO Joao
2024WTT Feeder, Otocec (SLO)ZELJKO Filip (CRO)JANCARIK Lubomir (CZE)MSMain DrawR642 - 311:6 7:11 6:11 11:7 9:11JANCARIK Lubomir
2023WTT Feeder, Otocec (SLO)JANCARIK Lubomir (CZE)LIU Dingshuo (CHN)MSMain DrawR322 - 311:8 12:10 6:11 8:11 5:11LIU Dingshuo
2023WTT Feeder, Otocec (SLO)JANCARIK Lubomir (CZE)ZELJKO Filip (CRO)MSMain DrawR643 - 17:11 11:9 14:12 11:8JANCARIK Lubomir
2023WTT Feeder, Dusseldorf III (GER)ZELJKO Filip (CRO)JANCARIK Lubomir (CZE)MSMain DrawR643 - 218:16 7:11 10:12 11:8 11:9ZELJKO Filip
2023WTT Contender, Antalya (TUR)ZELJKO Filip (CRO)JANCARIK Lubomir (CZE)MSQualificationQR323 - 212:10 7:11 11:5 4:11 11:9ZELJKO Filip

Zeljko
Year EventName Stage Sub-Event Round Player A Player B Games Result Winner
2024WTT Feeder, Otocec (SLO)ZELJKO Filip (CRO)JANCARIK Lubomir (CZE)MSMain DrawR642 - 311:6 7:11 6:11 11:7 9:11JANCARIK Lubomir
2023WTT Feeder, Otocec (SLO)JANCARIK Lubomir (CZE)ZELJKO Filip (CRO)MSMain DrawR643 - 17:11 11:9 14:12 11:8JANCARIK Lubomir
2023WTT Feeder, Dusseldorf III (GER)QIU Dang (GER)ZELJKO Filip (CRO)MSMain DrawR323 - 111:7 11:13 11:3 11:8QIU Dang
2023WTT Feeder, Dusseldorf III (GER)ZELJKO Filip (CRO)JANCARIK Lubomir (CZE)MSMain DrawR643 - 218:16 7:11 10:12 11:8 11:9ZELJKO Filip
2023WTT Contender, Antalya (TUR)ZELJKO Filip (CRO)KAO Cheng-Jui (TPE)MSMain DrawR322 - 39:11 9:11 11:9 11:8 5:11KAO Cheng-Jui
2023WTT Contender, Antalya (TUR)TEODORO Guilherme (BRA)ZELJKO Filip (CRO)MSQualificationQR162 - 37:11 12:10 11:8 7:11 7:11ZELJKO Filip
2023WTT Contender, Antalya (TUR)ZELJKO Filip (CRO)JANCARIK Lubomir (CZE)MSQualificationQR323 - 212:10 7:11 11:5 4:11 11:9ZELJKO Filip
 
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Winter 3-1 KNY (-9, 3, 9, 5)

KNY is still fragile against combination players, as are most current KNT players.
Lost to SXN 1-3 (-5, 9, -9, -9) at WTT CT Zagreb 2022 after beating KM 3-2 (7, 4, -8, -5, 9) and showed a lot of promise.
 
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