Yinhe Jupiter 3 Amazing Rubber

[Michael Zhuang]

Havnt played the c1.
The G1 on the other hand is a pretty good rubber. Especially on fh. I even have a Mima Ito clone setup, which i use for fun or if i get seriously frustrated with the balls and/or location i am playing in.

For bh on the otherhand i wasnt really capable of using it propperly. Too often i tried to flick or loop with it but the ball just fell of as if didnt really hit the ball. That happened way too often for my taste.

Imo though it is not really a good thing if you can play the same rubbers on the same side. Usually it shows you are lacking in something on either side.
The J3 i am using right now on both sides is a pretty good example for that.
​​​​​​Right now i am still testing 41 on fh and 37 on bh but can already say that the lower throw of the J3 as IB66 mentioned is a big issue for my bh. As i can lift almost any shot or push with my fh, that seems to be almost impossible for my bh. I hoped that the softer sponged would give me enough dwell time to adjust but unfortunatly that is not the case. I will still keep testing it this year in some sessions but i highly doubt i can play that rubber on bh on the same level as before

Are you sure that J3 has a low throw angle? It feels fairly high to me on both the FH and BH. I actually had thought that he throw is a little too high on my BH

 

[Attitude]

Are you sure that J3 has a low throw angle? It feels fairly high to me on both the FH and BH. I actually had thought that he throw is a little too high on my BH

Maybe it is the combination out of my pbo+j3.
but yeah im pretty sure the throw is pretty low. I have serious issues lifting the backspin of a defensive player from my team right of the first chop.

And as for fh i can loop as hard as i want and the ball often still gets down on the table. A higher throw would increase the flight path so it usually gets over the table. The mentioned comparison of IB66 equals my observations pretty much. Especially with the rakza z. I played that one on bh before and had no issues with lifting anything against mentioned teammate. On fh however the normal Z has a too high of a throw so had to tweak my technique quite hard and had to hit was less hard very often to land my usual loops.
Therefore it went back on my bh after 2 training sessions^^

I actually whished the prices would get back to 30-35 for the rakza z and i would certainly get back to asap. But right now the lowest price for it, i can find is around 40+

 

[kathanylion4]

interesting information

 

[zbys]

Are you sure that J3 has a low throw angle? It feels fairly high to me on both the FH and BH. I actually had thought that he throw is a little too high on my BH

Michael has got another player trying out jupiter 3 . Firstly l only ever used bouncy ESN rubber s before never any tacky hybrid or C rubbers . so the Chinese Yinhe is a revelation its quite tacky 3secs on ball pick up .. l needed to change something cos the Rasanter 48 l was using with my very fast hard Carbonado 290 blades l have two ,, is hard to control the speed on pushes and returns .. in comparing R48 to J3 R48 four months old and J3 new with 3 layers of falco booster , been told to use more layers ! Booster gives a deeper response and more accurate feedback . J3 still is so much slower ,much harder to get speed on the BH Yet l do love the feel of J3 a dull sound. to high click of R48, l like the feeling sensitivity is amazing and control so much more where the loops dig in able hit is v consistent . lower throw than R48 . still am liking this , being able to close off loops with J3 . One needs fast swings long arm chinese style or speed is slow,{comparing to normal fast rubbers ] like tenergy 05 and aurus prime with v fast arm the control is good and gives one confidence to hit out and close off angle esp on backhands blocks need to be active . so a v fast blade may work with J3 . this is my thinking? My club mates had gone for wood or inner carbon slower blades with the new really fast bouncy german rubbers for more control at 4 times the price . we get about the same bounce !

 

[Doum]

I tried J3 39d yesterday on FH. I'm not sure yet, Speed is good but it seems to lack spin. I will play more with it and maybe when the tack wear off it will be better for me. I have Moon Speed medium on the BH and also this is an amazing rubber! It's just perfect for me. 😉

 

[Michael Zhuang]

I tried J3 39d yesterday on FH. I'm not sure yet, Speed is good but it seems to lack spin. I will play more with it and maybe when the tack wear off it will be better for me. I have Moon Speed medium on the BH and also this is an amazing rubber! It's just perfect for me. 😉

I really don't think J3 lacks spin. The tackiness is quite high, and the topsheet is very grippy. I also have the Moon speed medium, I like this rubber very much. But to me, the J3 is a better FH rubber than the Moon Speed is a BH rubber.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Maybe it is the combination out of my pbo+j3.
but yeah im pretty sure the throw is pretty low. I have serious issues lifting the backspin of a defensive player from my team right of the first chop.

And as for fh i can loop as hard as i want and the ball often still gets down on the table. A higher throw would increase the flight path so it usually gets over the table. The mentioned comparison of IB66 equals my observations pretty much. Especially with the rakza z. I played that one on bh before and had no issues with lifting anything against mentioned teammate. On fh however the normal Z has a too high of a throw so had to tweak my technique quite hard and had to hit was less hard very often to land my usual loops.
Therefore it went back on my bh after 2 training sessions^^

I actually whished the prices would get back to 30-35 for the rakza z and i would certainly get back to asap. But right now the lowest price for it, i can find is around 40+

Not sure, I usually associate low-throw rubbers with very dead/slow rubbers that have trouble crossing the net. J3 is very bouncy and easy to hit over the net, and the throw just feels good to me.

 

[Attitude]

Not sure, I usually associate low-throw rubbers with very dead/slow rubbers that have trouble crossing the net. J3 is very bouncy and easy to hit over the net, and the throw just feels good to me.

Then you have to reevaluate your definition of throw.
A Slow rubber can still have a high throw but the ball will fall down way earlier anyway because it lacks speed. In that case naturally you will have a higher arc than usual.

Of course you can always compensate that with more power and technique but for bh the difference is more critical because you lack the same power needed for compensation, you have on your fh.

To clarify, throw angle≠speed of a rubber.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Right, I get what you're saying. But usually low-throw problems are especially compounded by low speed. The ball lacks enough speed and angle to cross the net.

With J3, it definitely doesn't lack speed. And I also just don't find the angle to be low or problematic either. Especially on backhand, I feel my balls throw higher than I'm used to.

 

[Attitude]

Right, I get what you're saying. But usually low-throw problems are especially compounded by low speed. The ball lacks enough speed and angle to cross the net.

With J3, it definitely doesn't lack speed. And I also just don't find the angle to be low or problematic either. Especially on backhand, I feel my balls throw higher than I'm used to.

Still not true.
Throw angle would be meassured at the rubber. So if the ball bounces up higher than usual you speak of a higher throw nevertheless the speed of the rubber. Even bounciness is not a compound of throw angle. The direction of the bounce would indicate the level of the throw angle.

But for your sake, lets compare faster and more bouncy rubbers with the J3.
In terms of throw angle i would rate from high to low:

Rakza Z > Vega X > Vega Pro > Tenergy 05 > J3 (before anyone rages because of the tenergy rating - the vega pro and tenergy are quite similar imo so you might put it one way or another)
I even would rate H3 slightly higher than J3. As a matter of fact i had the same issue with h3 on my bh as with J3 although the feeling and feedback of j3 is clearer.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Have you actually measured the throw angle using a robot and a side-view camera? J3 throw angle just doesn't seem low to me.

The lowest throw rubber I have ever played with is the Sanwei Target rubbers. They genuinely shoot really straight. Most other rubbers shoot at an acceptable angle to me, and maybe there are slight differences, but they are within the range of what is playable for my stroke.

 

[Attitude]

Have you actually measured the throw angle using a robot and a side-view camera? J3 throw angle just doesn't seem low to me.

The lowest throw rubber I have ever played with is the Sanwei Target rubbers. They genuinely shoot really straight. Most other rubbers shoot at an acceptable angle to me, and maybe there are slight differences, but they are within the range of what is playable for my stroke.

I told you how i "meassured" it already. And as i mentioned and as many things in table tennis are, we use the things we feel and experience as reference to meassure stuff we dont have machines or techniques for.

We are on the same level at the stn, although i could generate a really good arc with it. But it was a pain in the ass and an Impossible thing to use it on bh as an attack player like myself.
To put that into perspective, stn has a lower throw angle than J3. That is why i have no issues using it on fh, quite the contrary. But on bh is a whole different story against serious backspin for that exact reason, that the throwangle is far from being high. I would rate it around the lower end of medium.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

I told you how i "meassured" it already. And as i mentioned and as many things in table tennis are, we use the things we feel and experience as reference to meassure stuff we dont have machines or techniques for.

We are on the same level at the stn, although i could generate a really good arc with it. But it was a pain in the ass and an Impossible thing to use it on bh as an attack player like myself.
To put that into perspective, stn has a lower throw angle than J3. That is why i have no issues using it on fh, quite the contrary. But on bh is a whole different story against serious backspin for that exact reason, that the throwangle is far from being high. I would rate it around the lower end of medium.

Sorry I don't remember how you said you tested the throw angles.

So how would you rate the throw angle of J3, BD, LAC

 

[Attitude]

Sorry I don't remember how you said you tested the throw angles.

So how would you rate the throw angle of J3, BD, LAC

Nearly the same.
Although BIg Dipper is hard to rate anyway because of the different sheets. The better ones were way higher, like the higher end of medium to medium-high, while the trash ones often didnt grip the ball, so it went flying in a straight line while you are looping which would be lower than stn, so these were hard to put into perspective

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[Attitude]

Slight update from me, as i am back in training.
So i dropped the Jupiter 3 on my bh and put the Vega X on the PBO. I actually feared i would lack control because the Vega X is even bouncier than the J3 and i would have serious issues with it, finding on how to topspin. But actually it was quite the opposite. Though the feeling was a bit weird overall (hard to explain and put my finger on why that is - could be due to the setup being way heavier than my FZD ALC setup, but i dunno) i even could block really well like this.

I mean i still have some issues overall with the weight and the blade feel in my hand, but i am already performing with it on my peak level as i am winning against teammates i usually struggle with, or have to have a really good day to outperform them, how i did today.

The only 2 disadvantages that remains is looping close but from below the table and performing in the shortplay. That was way easier with my slower ALC setups and especially with H3 or BD 2. But as for the rest it is overall a really good upgrade. I just have to start touching the balls more carefull in the shortplay and loop a bit different if i am close to the table.
As for now i will probably stick with this setup for the upcoming season.
And if Yinhe makes this rubber consistent i might stick with it even longer. Probably gonna put one of those on the ALC too, to make a decent comparison with the PBO.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Slight update from me, as i am back in training.
So i dropped the Jupiter 3 on my bh and put the Vega X on the PBO. I actually feared i would lack control because the Vega X is even bouncier than the J3 and i would have serious issues with it, finding on how to topspin. But actually it was quite the opposite. Though the feeling was a bit weird overall (hard to explain and put my finger on why that is - could be due to the setup being way heavier than my FZD ALC setup, but i dunno) i even could block really well like this.

I mean i still have some issues overall with the weight and the blade feel in my hand, but i am already performing with it on my peak level as i am winning against teammates i usually struggle with, or have to have a really good day to outperform them, how i did today.

The only 2 disadvantages that remains is looping close but from below the table and performing in the shortplay. That was way easier with my slower ALC setups and especially with H3 or BD 2. But as for the rest it is overall a really good upgrade. I just have to start touching the balls more carefull in the shortplay and loop a bit different if i am close to the table.
As for now i will probably stick with this setup for the upcoming season.
And if Yinhe makes this rubber consistent i might stick with it even longer. Probably gonna put one of those on the ALC too, to make a decent comparison with the PBO.

Hey Attitude, can you upload video of one of your matches with your teammates? I would love to see how the J3 performs in your matches. BTW, do you know what your USATT rating would be about?

So you are using J3 on your FH now? Are you saying that J3 is a upgrade over your LAC rubber?

 

[Attitude]

Hey Attitude, can you upload video of one of your matches with your teammates? I would love to see how the J3 performs in your matches. BTW, do you know what your USATT rating would be about?

So you are using J3 on your FH now? Are you saying that J3 is a upgrade over your LAC rubber?

Filming will be hard to do, because right now we have too many people playing in the hall and dont i wanna checkup if they are fine of getting filmed. But filming myself even at the robot for the purpose of checking on my technique with the PBO blade, is on my to do list, especially for the PBO review^^

Well there seems to be no official converting rule or anything like that. I just found several threads where ppl compared and came to the conclusion that TTR+300-400=USATTR.
If that is true my USATTR would be around 1950-2050. My actual ranking could be higher though, because i started playing in a different district and my league is really weak especially because i played at 5 in my team and didnt lose a single match. To top it off i only gained around 15 points in that season. I will play higher this season and hope to get better games in, and maybe get closer to approximately 2100+ USATTR, but we will see how that will go.

To give you that exact conclusion i will need to get more J3s AND test it on an ALC blade too.
But for now, and with this blade it might has a slight edge over the LAC. The arc is pretty much the same, but J3 has a lower throw, which is really not a bad thing, especially on my fh.
Id say the amount of spin is probably the same too, but ESPECIALLY with this blade, it is way faster. But eitherway - even if it plays the same, this is a way cheaper rubber. If it is consistent and survives a season or even half a season, i am happy with it.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Filming will be hard to do, because right now we have too many people playing in the hall and dont i wanna checkup if they are fine of getting filmed. But filming myself even at the robot for the purpose of checking on my technique with the PBO blade, is on my to do list, especially for the PBO review^^

Well there seems to be no official converting rule or anything like that. I just found several threads where ppl compared and came to the conclusion that TTR+300-400=USATTR.
If that is true my USATTR would be around 1950-2050. My actual ranking could be higher though, because i started playing in a different district and my league is really weak especially because i played at 5 in my team and didnt lose a single match. To top it off i only gained around 15 points in that season. I will play higher this season and hope to get better games in, and maybe get closer to approximately 2100+ USATTR, but we will see how that will go.

To give you that exact conclusion i will need to get more J3s AND test it on an ALC blade too.
But for now, and with this blade it might has a slight edge over the LAC. The arc is pretty much the same, but J3 has a lower throw, which is really not a bad thing, especially on my fh.
Id say the amount of spin is probably the same too, but ESPECIALLY with this blade, it is way faster. But eitherway - even if it plays the same, this is a way cheaper rubber. If it is consistent and survives a season or even half a season, i am happy with it.

Sounds good, I knew there were other people out there who would like this rubber other than me. How often do you usually change your rubber?

What is the difference between arc and throw? I thought they were the same idea.

 

[longle]

Filming will be hard to do, because right now we have too many people playing in the hall and dont i wanna checkup if they are fine of getting filmed. But filming myself even at the robot for the purpose of checking on my technique with the PBO blade, is on my to do list, especially for the PBO review^^

Well there seems to be no official converting rule or anything like that. I just found several threads where ppl compared and came to the conclusion that TTR+300-400=USATTR.
If that is true my USATTR would be around 1950-2050. My actual ranking could be higher though, because i started playing in a different district and my league is really weak especially because i played at 5 in my team and didnt lose a single match. To top it off i only gained around 15 points in that season. I will play higher this season and hope to get better games in, and maybe get closer to approximately 2100+ USATTR, but we will see how that will go.

To give you that exact conclusion i will need to get more J3s AND test it on an ALC blade too.
But for now, and with this blade it might has a slight edge over the LAC. The arc is pretty much the same, but J3 has a lower throw, which is really not a bad thing, especially on my fh.
Id say the amount of spin is probably the same too, but ESPECIALLY with this blade, it is way faster. But eitherway - even if it plays the same, this is a way cheaper rubber. If it is consistent and survives a season or even half a season, i am happy with it.

Sounds like you are an advanced player already, I wonder which style you are and how does that J3 give you advantage in your game ?

 

[Attitude]

Sounds good, I knew there were other people out there who would like this rubber other than me. How often do you usually change your rubber?

What is the difference between arc and throw? I thought they were the same idea.

Around every 3 months if i am boosting and if i notice a reconstrucable change in my equipments behaviour. For example it doesnt grip the ball anymore on various points on the rubber. Changes in speed can be tolerable until a certain point. If that is reached i change. But in general i expect my rubbers to live at least 3-6 months, otherwise they are low quality in my perspective and not worth buying, especially if they cost more than 30€.

The difference between arc and throw would be the point at which you would "meassure" it. Throw would be the angle the ball jumps of the rubber, while the arc would be the height of the peak of the parabola a shot makes (usually compared with loop drives).
Though the throw can affect the arc (a higher throw angle usually would mean you have a higher arc) they are not the same. I experienced this especially with J3, because the throw would be lower than most of the rubbers i recently played with, but the arc is nearly the same, which makes the trajectory of the shots so dangerous and gives a really good feeling if you hard loop a ball.

To put the throwangle into perspective in my own experience from low to high:
Sanwei Target National (low)<J3(lower end of medium)<Tibhar Hybrid K2(Medium)<LAC<(Medium)=BD 2<Battle 2 prov(higher end of medium)<Rakza Z(medium high)