Producing side underspin on the chiquita

[blahness]

 

[blahness]

I do not think he is saying that he is producing side & underpin chiquita. If he is , that is incorrect

I think he is explaining how to return “against” an underspin using a chiquita.
I agree the return has side spin but I don't think it has underspin (commonly referred to as backspin).
I cannot see how a stroke can produce back-spin when the racket tip is moving upwards at the moment of contact.
Unless someone can explain to me how one can produce back spin when the racket tip is moving upwards.
Here of course it is also moving sidewards at an angle & that of course what produces the side spin but that is a different component of this stroke
BTW the opponent puts the return into the net NOT because of back spin but because of side spin in the chiquita
Do not try to confuse the underspin issue with side spin issue. I am not contesting that this stroke produces side spin.
But I am saying that this stroke also produces top spin and not back spin
I think lots of it gets lost in the translation maybe.
But then again coming from blahness I am not surprised he may not know the difference between top spin and back spin.
To produce top spin the racket is somewhat on top of the ball ...that is why it is called top spin ...duh
To produce under spin the racket is somewhat under the ball ....... that is why it is called under spin,,,, duh.
Of course you can also produce top spin by contacting behind the ball with racket moving upwards & you can also produce under spin by contacting behind the ball with racket moving downwards

Do you even know how to have a civilized discussion without insulting? Btw you are also completely wrong and yet confident af (??)

Have you ever served a ghost serve before? As long as your racket contacts bottom half of the ball and your force is directed forwards (even upwards!) it will produce backspin.

In this case, the ball is contacted at the bottom, and the direction of force is sideways and forwards. The upwards followthrough is a fake movement similar to a deceptive serve.

 

[ShoutGuy]

I really don't know if the person in the video is creating backspin or just using the opponent's spin and adding sidespin or corkscrew spin but there is some backspin in the return in my opinion.

Another good example is this video, look at 1:00

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

1st time I heard of bh flick generating underspin was around 2013 or 2014 maybe.
its been around for years.

There is so many examples in the video, so I'm not going to elebarote.
Just go play back the video and see how he is contacting the ball and go and practice it.
it is a common technique nowadays.

 

[ben1229]

As Tony said, the contact point decided it under side or top side spin, like the underside and topside server, same movement, but contact decided the spin.

 

[blahness]

1st time I heard of bh flick generating underspin was around 2013 or 2014 maybe.
its been around for years.

There is so many examples in the video, so I'm not going to elebarote.
Just go play back the video and see how he is contacting the ball and go and practice it.
it is a common technique nowadays.

Yep. Everyone thinks it is sidetopspin but it is in fact heavy af sideunderspin. This is the true power of the chiquita, the sheer amount of variation in it that one can produce.

Well ppl like James Z would never understand it 😂 no wonder he needs his illegal pips to compete.

 

[SofaChamp]

If the racket is moving upwards at the moment of contact, it is cannot be underspin.
And I repeat for teh fourth time, I never contested the heavy sidespin component. I am only contesting the claim that it has backspin. That is nonsense
Have a nice day.

Each time you repeat your point your make it clearer that you lack a rudimentary understanding of how spin is generated in table tennis.

This could be demonstrated quite easily and indisputably using just a bicycle wheel and a stick. But you probably know that already...

 

[ben1229]

Contact in itself does not decide the spin. The direction of the arm (wrist) movement at the very moment of contact with the ball decides whether it is back spin or top spiin (with or without various side spins) . If the arm movement is upwards, it just cannot produce back spin. Sorry.

You don't have to say sorry, your reply just show me you don't know how to generate the underside spin with the topside spin movement, in table tennis we call fake movement , but I don't think you know how to read server at all.

 

[Lazer]

James is correct, what may happen is that the contact point is on the side so it will induce side spin and the under spin from the serve is returned.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[SofaChamp]

I am willing to listen with an open mind. Please provide proof as to how in the hell upwards (& forward) arm movement at the moment of contact can produce back spin.

Since you asked so politely I will try and explain:

You can make a wheel 🛞 spin either clockwise or anticlockwise (top or backspin). Hit it with a stick with an upwards and forwards motion from 3 o'clock to 12 and you have topspin.

Now, hit the same wheel with an upwards and forwards motion from 6 o'clock to 9 o'clock and how will it spin?

 

[Kopp]

James is correct, what may happen is that the contact point is on the side so it will induce side spin and the under spin from the serve is returned.

Cheers
L-zr

Hit the point that has the least rotation, in other words.

 

[ben1229]

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The underside spin he generated, his paddle is under the ball.

 

[blahness]

James is correct, what may happen is that the contact point is on the side so it will induce side spin and the under spin from the serve is returned.

Cheers
L-zr

The contact point is actually bottom half of the ball. You are right that if the contact is on the side or back of the ball, no underspin can be generated with this movement.

 

[Kopp]

He simply picked up the ball between 3 and 4 o'clock, thereby preventing its fall. That's all.

 

[Lazer]

The contact point is actually bottom half of the ball. You are right that if the contact is on the side or back of the ball, no underspin can be generated with this movement.

There is no way to generate under spin with this shot. You can try it yourself by holding the ball between your fingers at the axes of spin and move your racket in different angles and you will understand. The best that can be done is to give back most of the under spin that was already in the ball.

Also if hit the ball on the bottom half the racket angle must be like in a push and then the ball would go straight up, He hit the ball in the middle at best.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[blahness]

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/creating-side-underspin-with-a-loop.30738/

For those who think that upwards movement cannot create underspin

 

[Lazer]

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/creating-side-underspin-with-a-loop.30738/

For those who think that upwards movement cannot create underspin

Same thing no underspin induces just returning the underspin of the incoming ball.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[ttarc]

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The underside spin he generated, his paddle is under the ball.

Pause the video (space) and use the comma and dot keys to step through the frames. No backspin as far as I can see.
Just try it at home. With penhold grip generating backspin is easy but with shakehand grip I can't bend my wrist enough (only if I hold the racket like I do for a reserve pendulum serve).

 

[Kopp]

There is no way to generate under spin with this shot.

Well, have to agree. This is an easy stroke. I've done it so many times. It definitely a topspin return.

 

[SofaChamp]

Same thing no underspin induces just returning the underspin of the incoming ball.

Cheers
L-zr

Just out of interest, can you explain what happens to the spin of the ball when a straight backspin serve is returned with a normal (backspin) push?