目前国际上比日乒强的外协团体还有哪些？ (
What other foreign associations in the world are stronger than JNT?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10136172154
夜空中最亮的猪 如题，很多人说国乒主要对手在欧洲而不在亚洲，理由是巴奥领奖台有2个在欧洲（瑞法），那现在日本多了松岛这个上限明显强于户上/大灯的二单以后，法德瑞还能打得过日乒吗？感觉日乒现在只要自己不掉链子也有世界前三的水平了
IP属地:上海来自iPhone客户端1楼2025-10-18 10:40回复
(As the title suggests, many people say China's main rivals are in Europe, not Asia, citing the fact that 2 [teams] on the Paris 2024 podium are in Europe (SWE and FRA). Now that JPN has Matsushima, whose upper limit is clearly stronger than Togami/Hiroto, can FRA, GER and SWE still compete with JPN? It seems that as long as JPN doesn't let down, it can reach the top 3 in the world)
iikwajv2278 瑞的梯队建设已经掉链子了，小莫一伤退瑞典连二单都没人能打。感觉现在日法德可以算一个梯队，都有前十水平左右的一二单，和前二十水平左右的三单。
IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端3楼2025-10-18 10:44回复
(SWE's echelon is already falling apart. With Little Mo's injury, SWE is left without a capable second singles player. It feels like JPN, FRA, and GER are now considered an echelon, each with a top-ten first and second singles players and a top-twenty third singles player.)
巴拉巴拉小胖 日本主要是松岛起来了，松岛不摆上限确实吓人，不算松岛 以前日本也有摩托爆种砍两分的表现，目前世界前三没问题。
法国，个人感觉比日本强，确实是无死角的最佳团体配置。小布打各协会一号全是上风前五水平，三单西蒙经验丰富前二十水平，主要就是看大布状态，大布疯起来上限也巨高
IP属地:陕西4楼2025-10-18 10:52回复
(JPN's rise is primarily due to Matsushima. Matsushima's ceiling when he doesn't give up is truly impressive. Excluding Matsushima, JPN has also had performances like Harimoto's two-point outburst in the past, and currently they have no problem being in the top three in the world.
I personally feel FRA is stronger than JPN, and they truly possess the best team composition with no blindspots. Little B is consistently top-five against the No. 1 player of each association, and Simon, the experienced third singles player, is a top twenty player. It all depends on Big B's form; when he goes wild, his ceiling is incredibly high)
巴拉巴拉小胖 德国主要没上限，没有张本小布这种最顶尖的高手，但三个前二十能保住他们的下限。而且和日本法国相比德国主力年龄都大了，守成有余冲击不足
瑞典主要是法尔克k卡都老了，安东越来越牢，就剩个小莫了。
韩国和德国水平差不多，区别就是年龄更小整体冲击力更强。
总的来看 中法日无悬念前三，德国中间第四，瑞典韩国差不多吧
IP属地:陕西5楼2025-10-18 10:54回复
(GER's main probelm is its lack of upper limit, that is, a top-tier player like Harimoto and Little B, but three players in the top twenty can maintain their lower limit. Furthermore, compared to JPN and FRA, GER's main players are older, making them more defensive than impactful
SWE's main problem is that Falck and K. Karlsson are both aging, while Anton is becoming increasingly old, leaving only Little Mo.
KOR and GER are at similar levels, the difference being that they are younger and more impactful overall.
Overall, CHN, FRA, and JPN are undoubtedly in the top three, with GER in the middle and fourth place. SWE and KOR are roughly even.)
篠塚大登（退役下海版 看上限的话中法瑞（有小莫版）日，看下限的话日男没有下限
IP属地:湖北来自iPhone客户端6楼2025-10-18 11:06收起回复
(If you look at the upper limit, there are CHN, FRA, SWE (w/ Little Mo version) and JPN. If you look at the lower limit, there is no lower limit for JPN men)
夜空中最亮的猪: 感觉现在下限日也比瑞要高了，尤其是安东完全就是一个破碎态，瑞现在算是连个合格的二单都没有，全靠小莫一个人
2025-10-18 11:09回复
(I feel that the lower limit of JPN is now higher than SWE, especially Anton is completely broken. SWE now does not even have a qualified second singles, entirely relying on Little Mo alone)
篠塚大登（退役下海版: 回复 夜空中最亮的猪 :日男疯起来牢盒能输阿拉米安，阿姨更是毫无底线，安东再破碎也暂时没看出来这个迹象，何况昨天一单两分战神
2025-10-18 11:13回复
(When the JPN men go crazy, Old Carton can lose to Alamiyan, and Auntie [Togami] has no "bottom line". As broken as Anton, he has not shown that sign for the time being, not to mention yesterday's first singles two-point god of war)
月之翼7I: 回复 篠塚大登（退役下海版 :你没看过23欧锦团吗，安东都能输匈牙利的，mo的老佩直接把他按在饮水机位了
2025-10-18 12:00回复
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Haven't you seen the 2023 ETTTC? Anton could even lose to Hungary. So [LGY-]"moment" that Old Per[sson] directly pressed him to the "water dispenser" place)
篠塚大登（退役下海版: 回复 月之翼7I :对哦，忘了这个，那就一起毫无下限吧
2025-10-18 12:07回复
(Oh right, forgot about this, then let's go all out with no lower limit)
千子千雨 这么看来国乒明年世乒赛赢面还是大的
IP属地:河南来自Android客户端7楼2025-10-18 11:18收起回复
(It seems that CNT still has a great chance of winning the WTTC next year)
夜空中最亮的猪: 其实个人感觉国乒最不好打的就是日，比法还不好打（虽然法国可能纸面实力略强），主要是大布给骰k筐的威胁明显不如松岛，只要三单不出问题就能赢，打日本一旦在松岛这里丢分就很麻烦
2025-10-18 11:20回复
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In fact, I personally feel that the most difficult team for CNT to play against is JPN, which is even more difficult than FRA (although FRA may be slightly stronger on paper). The main reason is that the threat of Big B to the Dice/K/Bin is obviously not as strong as that of Matsushima. As long as there are no problems with the third singles, we can win. It will be very troublesome to play against JPN if we lose points on Matsushima)
夜空中最亮的猪: 回复 千子千雨 :但如果法和日打，个人还是觉得法能赢，主要是小布对📒能赢+三单更稳，除非日本三单翻西蒙/📒翻小布至少发生一个，否则法赢面更大
2025-10-18 11:22回复
(But if FRA plays against JPN, I still think FRA can win, mainly because Little B can win against 📒 [Harimoto] and third singles are more stable [consistent]. Unless at least one of JPN's third singles flips over Simon/📒 or [Harimoto] flips over Little B, FRA has a greater chance of winning)
iikwajv2278: 回复 夜空中最亮的猪 :这个我同意，主要是张本对kk基本稳，松岛有能力爆一个任何一个主力，就是三单差一点，这次一二单哪个再拿一分日都拿下了
2025-10-18 11:29回复
(I agree with this, mainly because Harimoto is basically stable [consistent] against KK, and Matsushima has the ability to explode [upset] any main player, but the third singles is a little short. This time, if either of the first and second singles could get another point, JPN would've won)
巴拉巴拉小胖: 回复 夜空中最亮的猪 :未必，明年在欧洲打法国完全有可能展现出更强的冲击力。首先和张本一样，小布可以把kk逼去三单。梁靖崑最近一次和小布 西蒙 大布交手全是3-2险胜，也输过大布。林诗栋有能力吊打户上大灯，但未必能稳赢西蒙。骰子默认他会跳楼。最重要的，伦敦在欧洲，法国人算半个主场
2025-10-18 11:31回复
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Not necessarily. FRA could definitely show a stronger impact in Europe next year. First, like Harimoto, Little B can force KK to play third singles. LJK's most recent matches against Little B, Simon, and Big B were all narrow 3-2 victories, and he has also lost to Big B. LSD has the ability to beat Togami/Hiroto, but he may not be able to beat Simon. Dice is assumed to jump off the building. Most importantly, London is in Europe, and the French are half at home)
iikwajv2278: 回复 巴拉巴拉小胖 :但是大布受伤以后有点拉，感觉上限不如松岛，三单这个确实法国更强
2025-10-18 11:39回复
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But after Big B was injured, he has been a little saggy. I feel that his upper limit is not as good as Matsushima. FRA is indeed stronger in third singles)
我姑娘叫毛毛: 回复 iikwajv2278 :大布这次欧锦赛是目前为止唯一一局未丢的了，虽说对手比较菜，但也说明了他没有随地大小输了，看看今晚表现如何
2025-10-18 11:42回复
(Big B is the only one so far who has not dropped a game in this ETTTC. Although his opponents are not very good, it also shows that he does not lose readily. Let's see how he performs tonight)
月之翼7I: 回复 我姑娘叫毛毛 :欧锦赛的无缝球和欧男的薄弱台内，真适合大布这种无脑抡的
2025-10-18 12:02回复
(The seamless ball [wrong, Nittaku Preimium 40+] of the ETTTC and the poor over-table [skills] of European men are really suitable for brainless swings like Big B)
贴吧用户_JRUXe78 法国和韩国比日本强，瑞典德国不如日本了。其实主要是看老盒，老盒没有突破小布，所以日男团打法男团很难赢，老盒跟韩男五五开，一单两分有难度，所以日男团也很难赢韩男团（前提是无忌和男明星都上场且状态正常）。安东状态好的话，日男团跟瑞男团五五开，现在安东状态差，就是日男团上风了。至于德男，都是老盒男仆，老盒16岁世界杯打德男就是一单两分，东奥半决赛打德男也是一单两分（但空砍了），只要有个队友凑分，拿捏德男应该问题不大
IP属地:浙江来自Android客户端8楼2025-10-18 11:22收起回复
(FRA and KOR are stronger than JPN, while SWE and GER are not as good as JPN. In fact, it mainly depends on Old Carton. Old Carton has not broken through Little B, so it is difficult for the JPN MT to win. Old Carton is evenly matched with the KOR men. It is difficult to get two points as first singles, so it is difficult for the JPN MT to beat the KOR MT (the premise is that Wuji [JWJ] and Male Star [AJH] are in the lineup and in normal condition). If Anton is in good condition, the JPN MT is evenly matched with the SWE MT. Now that Anton is in poor condition, the JPN MT has the upper hand. As for the GER men, they are all Old Carton's servants. Old Carton played against the GER men in the [Team] World Cup [2019] when he was 16 years old and got two points as first singles. He also played against the GER men in the SF of the Tokyo Olympics and got two points as first singles (but in vain).
As long as there is a teammate to make up the points, it should not be a problem to get the GER men)
iikwajv2278: 但是德国和法国打还有说法，小布不好打杜达，打小弗最近一次也输了，大布现在不好说，且看这次欧锦的交手吧
2025-10-18 11:26回复
(But there is still a lot to say about the match between GER and FRA.
It is not easy for Little B to play against Duda, and he lost to Little F[ranziska] recently. It is hard to say about Big B now, let's see how they play in this ETTTC)
夜空中最亮的猪: 松岛好像北满已经把小弗打（遮）破防了，凑一分问题不大，只要别被举报以后心态崩了日男肯定能赢德男的
2025-10-18 11:28回复
(It seems that Matsushima has already broken the defense of Little F [by hidden serve]. It is not a problem to get one point. As long as he doesn't mentality break down after getting called, the JPN men will definitely beat the GER men)
石洵瑶（迷妹版） 松岛不恐欧男，这是最大的优势
IP属地:陕西来自iPhone客户端9楼2025-10-18 11:32回复
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Matsushima doesn't fear EUR men, which is the biggest advantage)
秋阶影🍂 对外协来说双核阵容很重要，哪个队有双核阵容，哪个队就能保住起码的下限，单核容错率太低了。纸面实力肯定法最强，但大布的团体……很迷
IP属地:陕西来自Android客户端11楼2025-10-18 11:41回复
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For foreign teams, a dual-core lineup is very important. Whichever team has a dual-core lineup can maintain the lower limit. The single-core fault tolerance rate is too low. On paper, FRA is definitely the strongest, but Big B in MT is... very questionable)
处女座JUJU24 日本就打法国有点下风 主要是搞不定小勒 韩国除非集体爆种有点危险 其他像瑞德正常打应该都能赢 而且日男对国乒的威胁绝对是最大的
IP属地:浙江来自iPhone客户端15楼2025-10-18 11:59回复
(JPN is only at a disadvantage against FRA, mainly because they can't handle Little Le. KOR is a bit dangerous only if they have a concerted explosion. Others like SWE and GER should be able to win with normal play.
And the JPN men are definitely the biggest threat to the CNT)
