2025 European Team Table Tennis Championships (October 12 to 19, 2025)

[NextLevel]

Zeio's favorite C word will come into focus now. Why is ir called choking when you lose the lead but not when you loae the game by a wide margin?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I feel the continental ranking points have some merit in that it can allow more underrepresented continents and countries to participate in the highest level of competition, even if they lose 3-0 badly every time, to gain valuable experience and exposure. I bet no one had ever heard of Edward Ly prior to his incredible 2024 pan am cup and subsequent WR35 ranking. That being said, there are still some problems to this, which is that the WR just ends up ranking mostly participation anyways over skill level. No offense, but I would still take washed up WR71 Lim Jonghoon over any of the higher ranked Aussie players

yes, but Edward is not top 50 yet alone 35, maybe 80~120. Same as the Aussies.

I feel the continental points need to be a based on the participants points "weight".
ie, if Asia has 10000 points playing, and Pan Am has 5000, then Asian winner has to be also get higher points than Pan Am winners.

but it won't happen, so Europeans and Asians will always loose out on these so called "easy points" for some Pan Am/Oceania players.

 

[NextLevel]

France takes it. Germany was clearly dominated.

 

[PoppaChubby]

I'm frustrated: couldn't been able to watch the match I had 2 students for bass lessons, had to drive to Cholet, and spend 1h there from 13h to 14h, then drive 10 mn to the next one, 1h lesson again and... I'm just back 😖

I've just been able to scroll on the ETTU website some seconds here and there to see how it was going.

So ... yep, ok, my bets were wrong: I thought Alex would have it easy vs Duda and... 0-1, then I thought Felix would have still a chance on the backhand diagonal vs Franz, that's what happened I guess ? To me the crucial part was to put Simon in a better situation coming from a win instead of coming from a loss. He killed Dang Qiu easy, as expected when you see both guys season, and coming from Felix win. The momentum always matters for France, it's been like that vs Japan for the bronze medal match in Paris.

Felix beating Duda THAT way, waow... just waow, now he knows how to handle him, no frustration anymore, no inferiority complex, the kid has grown mentally this year that's for sure, I think beating his bro for the 1st time at the french nationals gave him something special.

Now I'm gonna see the replay.

 

[Shine]

This con artist thing - the rankings are what they are. Other than continental controversy, everyone earns their ranking.

As Fate would have it, Alexis ranking is basically propped up by Euro Championship 2024, and Euro Top 16 2025. Something about the continent...

 

[NextLevel]

As Fate would have it, Alexis ranking is basically propped up by Euro Championship 2024, and Euro Top 16 2025. Something about the continent...

Only one continental result can count towards the ranking so that is interesting. But European champion isn't a prop, you beat legit players to win it. Just not Asians who are Asian nationals.

Ever since his bone headed fracture, he has nothing yet regained form. Whether it is temporary we shall see...

 

[PoppaChubby]

yes, but Edward is not top 50 yet alone 35, maybe 80~120. Same as the Aussies.

I feel the continental points need to be a based on the participants points "weight".
ie, if Asia has 10000 points playing, and Pan Am has 5000, then Asian winner has to be also get higher points than Pan Am winners.

but it won't happen, so Europeans and Asians will always loose out on these so called "easy points" for some Pan Am/Oceania players.

I think you're right, and at the same time I think it contradicts your points about continents that have more growth potential. To you, India, Australia, the US, are the territories where there are more opportunities for the table tennis "market" to grow. If you really want them to grow, you have to "artificially" encourage them to be a part of that circus, so you have to give them the same amount of points. We all know Aditya Sareen is a joke, he's been pushed up by the medias, but he's not worth his ranking. Hwan Bae is the only aussie to me to be a legitimate top 50.

Now India. It's weird. Manav Thakkar plays in the Pro A, with the Bros, in now (since last june) the best club. But He rarely plays, and his win/loss ratio is ... not that good, most of the time Antoine Sureau will prefer Antoine Hachard, who's definitely not have that international caliber. He's better that's for sure on the international level.

Probably because the Pro A is becoming better? more density so it's better for experienced guys like Hachard instead of newcomers like Thakkar ? he'll have to adjust to the situation.

The US, well... they're trapped by their own vision of capitalism, as long as they won't consider TT like they consider track and field, swimming, american football or basket ball at the college level, or even earlier at the AAU level, TT has no chance to grow there. Nada, niet, que dalle.

 

[NextLevel]

I think you're right, and at the same time I think it contradicts your points about continents that have more growth potential. To you, India, Australia, the US, are the territories where there are more opportunities for the table tennis "market" to grow. If you really want them to grow, you have to "artificially" encourage them to be a part of that circus, so you have to give them the same amount of points. We all know Aditya Sareen is a joke, he's been pushed up by the medias, but he's not worth his ranking. Hwan Bae is the only aussie to me to be a legitimate top 50.

Now India. It's weird. Manav Thakkar plays in the Pro A, with the Bros, in now (since last june) the best club. But He rarely plays, and his win/loss ratio is ... not that good, most of the time Antoine Sureau will prefer Antoine Hachard, who's definitely not have that international caliber. He's better that's for sure on the international level.

Probably because the Pro A is becoming better? more density so it's better for experienced guys like Hachard instead of newcomers like Thakkar ? he'll have to adjust to the situation.

The US, well... they're trapped by their own vision of capitalism, as long as they won't consider TT like they consider track and field, swimming, american football or basket ball at the college level, or even earlier at the AAU level, TT has no chance to grow there. Nada, niet, que dalle.

Adi Sareen is extremely young and far from a joke, many countries would be happy to have him including the USA if he wasn't an Australian citizen. He is not top 50 now but if he stays with the sport i have no doubt he will be legitimately so at some point. Don't let the pronouncements of Gauzy overly bias you.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I think you're right, and at the same time I think it contradicts your points about continents that have more growth potential. To you, India, Australia, the US, are the territories where there are more opportunities for the table tennis "market" to grow. If you really want them to grow, you have to "artificially" encourage them to be a part of that circus, so you have to give them the same amount of points. We all know Aditya Sareen is a joke, he's been pushed up by the medias, but he's not worth his ranking. Hwan Bae is the only aussie to me to be a legitimate top 50.

Now India. It's weird. Manav Thakkar plays in the Pro A, with the Bros, in now (since last june) the best club. But He rarely plays, and his win/loss ratio is ... not that good, most of the time Antoine Sureau will prefer Antoine Hachard, who's definitely not have that international caliber. He's better that's for sure on the international level.

Probably because the Pro A is becoming better? more density so it's better for experienced guys like Hachard instead of newcomers like Thakkar ? he'll have to adjust to the situation.

The US, well... they're trapped by their own vision of capitalism, as long as they won't consider TT like they consider track and field, swimming, american football or basket ball at the college level, or even earlier at the AAU level, TT has no chance to grow there. Nada, niet, que dalle.

I don't see how it contradicts.
its okay now that USA no 1 mens and womens are worthy for a top 50, or top 30
but India is in Asia and like the rest of east Asia, getting knocked out in R32/R16 is normal.

however, in Pan Am and Oceania, the level does drop in the 3 stages of finals (QF onward). Ie, your finalists or semi finalists are not worthy for such high points.

The other solution is to make the ceiling of points given to all winners lower and not the 500 points and together with that, the rest of the allocations.

or if there is some ROI for the greater good of point inflation - I am yet to see how it benefits the circus viewers.

 

[PoppaChubby]

Ok, it was the serve/receive game + heavy spins that saved Felix vs Franz. No rallies on the BH. Wise tactics from Molin.

 

[Shine]

Only one continental result can count towards the ranking so that is interesting. But European champion isn't a prop, you beat legit players to win it. Just not Asians who are Asian nationals.

Ever since his bone headed fracture, he has nothing yet regained form. Whether it is temporary we shall see...

Maybe the rule has changed, the 2 events are his 2nd and 3rd highest ranked events, and they contribute 1000 points to his 1995 total - so over half of the total. Of course, Euro events are not walkovers and he beat good players including his brother to win both tournaments. But he has to do more on the international stage. Btw the Euro Champs should be expiring soon so he needs to peak in Montpellier, or he could go tumbling down the ranks.

 

[Shine]

Actually, Euro Champs 2024 points (500 ranking points) expire on the 21st of this month; that's in 3 days. And he reached the quarterfinal in Montpellier last year, so he's got his work cut out for him in November. If things go awry, he could be in the 30s soon.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Maybe the rule has changed, the 2 events are his 2nd and 3rd highest ranked events, and they contribute 1000 points to his 1995 total - so over half of the total. Of course, Euro events are not walkovers and he beat good players including his brother to win both tournaments. But he has to do more on the international stage. Btw the Euro Champs should be expiring soon so he needs to peak in Montpellier, or he could go tumbling down the ranks.

you need to see his wins between 2024~2025, there are many strong players he beat and he sure is not a one event wonder. Based on the list of strong players he beat, his world rank is correct.

PS, continental max is 500 points, so of his 1995, only 1 x 500 counts, he still got 1495 from WTT/ITTF events
2025 is obviously affected by his injury and time injured and not playing

 

[baotran]

Me thinks Alexis is overrated and apart from his break out performance, and his wins in the Euro cup, he's not really shown himself to be a true contender. People talk about his "ceiling" but what's so special about someone's ceiling if it only appears once in two years? He's not a stable high level performer evidenced by not being in the top 10.

The Japan that played China will beat France silly.

Japan has slim chance to win against this France unfortunately. They have good knowledge against China, but not France.

 

[NextLevel]

Maybe the rule has changed, the 2 events are his 2nd and 3rd highest ranked events, and they contribute 1000 points to his 1995 total - so over half of the total. Of course, Euro events are not walkovers and he beat good players including his brother to win both tournaments. But he has to do more on the international stage. Btw the Euro Champs should be expiring soon so he needs to peak in Montpellier, or he could go tumbling down the ranks.

Maybe it is one per calendar year, I would have thought it was one. But in any case, tumbling down the ranking is not his problem, his problem is recapturing the form that won those titles. If the form returns, the ranking will follow.

 

[NextLevel]

Japan has slim chance to win against this France unfortunately. They have good knowledge against China, but not France.

Harimoto still hasn't figured out Felix. Matsushima is the wild card. Gauzy is on and peolle are forgetting that Coton will soon be a regular. I don't know why people are in a rush to predict volatile things. I would bet on any result with bated breath and evaluate form as close to the match as possible. France is in great hands.

 

[baotran]

Harimoto still hasn't figured out Felix. Matsushima is the wild card. Gauzy is on and peolle are forgetting that Coton will soon be a regular. I don't know why people are in a rush to predict volatile things. I would bet on any result with bated breath and evaluate form as close to the match as possible. France is in great hands.

Attending Chinese Super League is greatly beneficial to Sora, he has some confidence when playing Chinese players. But I don't see how he will be consistent against other players, especially for those from Europe. Talking about the power of Japanese is just too soon, I believe we can only see it clearer in WTTTC 2028, where every prodigies will not be prodigies anymore.

 

[Perure85]

Habe watched all of team Swedens games, the women were over matched by germans but still played a good tourney, Sweden- Romania, oh what a fight, but sadly with a romanian win, but it is kinda funny to have a team tournament but no doubles... 😏

 

[nablaz]

Maybe the rule has changed, the 2 events are his 2nd and 3rd highest ranked events, and they contribute 1000 points to his 1995 total - so over half of the total. Of course, Euro events are not walkovers and he beat good players including his brother to win both tournaments. But he has to do more on the international stage. Btw the Euro Champs should be expiring soon so he needs to peak in Montpellier, or he could go tumbling down the ranks.

If you look at the ITTF ranking site again, you will see that the Europe Top-16 result is greyed out. That means that it's not currently being counted towards Alexis' total 8 best results... when the Euro Championship points will expire, the Top-16 ones will automatically take their place.
Alexis will only need a good result in Montpellier to keep his ranking around current levels.

 

[NextLevel]

If you look at the ITTF ranking site again, you will see that the Europe Top-16 result is greyed out. That means that it's not currently being counted towards Alexis' total 8 best results... when the Euro Championship points will expire, the Top-16 ones will automatically take their place.
Alexis will only need a good result in Montpellier to keep his ranking around current levels.

Thanks for validating.