World Team Table Tennis Championships 2014

[Alborz]

Remember, ZJK played against HSS, who is 124 in the world.
HSS is a level or two below CCA and CCY

There was moments where the bench would stand up and cheer, but LGL still sat in his cheer.
I saw those incidents a few times. LGL clearly wasn't happy with ZJK's performance

ZJK vs HSS should be a walk over

I think you are wrong.

That match was a walk over. HSS was playing very good in second set. And other sets were total distractions.
Zhang Jike plays much better than quarter-final.

 

[Rajah*]

The fact is ZJK is in horrible form.
He is the weakest link at the moment and the highest risk for LGL
But then again, ZJK's lows and highs is common, not the first time. Maybe one sleep and he is back on the highest point - that is his problem.

Say ZJK plays 1 or 2, chance of China winning 3-2 is there, but Ma Long hasn't been convincing too.
So that is why I won't be suprised if ZJK takes 3 and take 1 point
Xu Xin take 1 point and giving MA Long 1 point as well.

And this got nothing to do what which players fans want to see, this is for the best interest of the team winning.
I'm sure ZJK's fan doesn't want China to loose.

Verywell said!

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[Rajah*]

zjk play as the 2nd player .. the 1st one should be ma long

You saying that LgL should put XuXin(stable and most consistent) at no3?


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[ping fun]

well we dont know who will be the 3rd player maybe FZD will come

 

[Der_Echte]

China is so good, it doesn't matter the order coach puts his players, the end result will be the same.

 

[Alborz]

You saying that LgL should put XuXin(stable and most consistent) at no3?


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Stable and consistent don't mean the best. Zhang Jike and Ma Long are better than him when they are playing their average level.

 

[Rajah*]

Stable and consistent don't mean the best. Zhang Jike and Ma Long are better than him when they are playing their average level.

Here you go again....Who said im talking about the BEST? at this point of the game playing stable and consistent really matters in the eye of the coaches, seriously. Thats one basis of how they shuffle players to their respective slot, and in my opinion playing on the championship game it is very impt to take game 1 and 2

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[Tony's Table Tennis]

Stable and consistent don't mean the best. Zhang Jike and Ma Long are better than him when they are playing their average level.

Its about form...which can mean best, stable, consistent etc
ZJK is in really bad form these 2 days - when last did you see he play like this??

Its not about the "best" player but rather which 3 players have the best form to handle Boll, Dima etc.
They need 3 points - not keeping ZJK's fans happy

 

[Rajah*]

Its about form...which can mean best, stable, consistent etc
ZJK is in really bad form these 2 days - when last did you see he play like this??

Its not about the "best" player but rather which 3 players have the best form to handle Boll, Dima etc.
They need 3 points - not keeping ZJK's fans happy

That is what i mean... "from the coaches eye"

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[MegaZZ]

Its about form...which can mean best, stable, consistent etc
ZJK is in really bad form these 2 days - when last did you see he play like this??

Its not about the "best" player but rather which 3 players have the best form to handle Boll, Dima etc.
They need 3 points - not keeping ZJK's fans happy

I support this idea, from LGL perspective he is thinking of the most difficult line up for Germany. It's clear that all the chinese players are outstanding, I think the chinese order will be Ma Long, Xu Xin and Zhang Jike. There is a definite chance in my mind that Germany will win one of the first three, and I think Xu Xin is actually the most awkward player for the Europeans (playing in positions 2 and 4). I also think despite the outstanding abilities of Fan Zhendong he won't be brought out for the final after missing the semi-final, that really would be high risk

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I support this idea, from LGL perspective he is thinking of the most difficult line up for Germany. It's clear that all the chinese players are outstanding, I think the chinese order will be Ma Long, Xu Xin and Zhang Jike. There is a definite chance in my mind that Germany will win one of the first three, and I think Xu Xin is actually the most awkward player for the Europeans (playing in positions 2 and 4). I also think despite the outstanding abilities of Fan Zhendong he won't be brought out for the final after missing the semi-final, that really would be high risk

Yep, I have the same feeling
If Germany does take 1 point in the first two, then ZJK at 3 will be so crucial.
And the thing is, there is no guarantee at the moment that ZJK will win easily
If 2-0 by ZJK come, then doesn't matter
But if 1-1, I wouldn't want to be LGL

Even if ZJK takes 2-1 I would want XX at number 4, as he is the only all out attacking right now.
ML and ZJK needs to come out of that shell now (too conservative)

 

[Rajah*]

Even if ZJK takes 2-1 I would want XX at number 4, as he is the only all out attacking right now

Yes this would be the safest fit that i also see.

+1.



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[mistreaver]

Yep, I have the same feeling
If Germany does take 1 point in the first two, then ZJK at 3 will be so crucial.
And the thing is, there is no guarantee at the moment that ZJK will win easily
If 2-0 by ZJK come, then doesn't matter
But if 1-1, I wouldn't want to be LGL

Even if ZJK takes 2-1 I would want XX at number 4, as he is the only all out attacking right now.
ML and ZJK needs to come out of that shell now (too conservative)

I think high perfomances of Chinese players have spoilt us all a bit.
I mean, Xu Xin has lost like 1 set, Ma Long none, and only ZJK is a bit out of form at the moment but still a beast.
It is hard to expect that they will 100% relaxed when anything other then a win is catastrophe.
I think it is psychologically very hard for Chinese to play these Team Events, i think that the pressure is very high and that it is understandable that they miss a few shots.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I think high perfomances of Chinese players have spoilt us all a bit.
I mean, Xu Xin has lost like 1 set, Ma Long none, and only ZJK is a bit out of form at the moment but still a beast.
It is hard to expect that they will 100% relaxed when anything other then a win is catastrophe.
I think it is psychologically very hard for Chinese to play these Team Events, i think that the pressure is very high and that it is understandable that they miss a few shots.

Yep, and that is why I think they played so conservatively.
So the trick is for Dima and Boll to attack full on.

Maybe matches of 2 high levels players will be better for these Chinese players too

Look at HSS vs ZJK, HSS power was less and ZJK was struggling with a much slower ball, compared to XX against CCA, CCA just couldn't handle the power and spin

 

[ttmonster]

Did anyone hear the mention of TableTennisDaily in the live streaming? Apparently the commentators mentioned it ive been told

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It would be great if somebody can dig out the video ...

 

[Alborz]

Zhang Jike played good in semi-final. Just see the match and i'm sure you will be agree with me on this.

I think LGL will send XX as the 3rd player. He even didn't let XX to play at the final of 2012 WTTTC and now let him play two matches? I don't think so.
Or maybe because Zhang Jike and Ma Long already lost some team matches against Boll, LGL will send him to face Boll. Or maybe because XX didn't play Boll until now he won't. No one knows.

Ma Long, Zhang Jike and Xu Xin are all great players and whatever the line up will be, China is going to win it.

 

[perniciousnc]

Ma long: probably gonna play 2 matches, given that he has good record against dimitrij, but sometimes he breaks down, but i think he will be 1/2 not much doubts,

XX: interestingly, got the best records against dimitrij and timo, i think he only lost to timo in china vs world (can be considered an informal match), good record, but has not had exp as much as zjk ml in big games,

regarding performances, obviously he has been doing well, but xx has not been put under pressure (as in falling behind or match in a match), xx should win if he can initiate top spins, the thing about his style / penhold styles (including wang hao) is their defense, so dimitrij's backhand flick might pose a threat. but i think it is gonna be a big decision for LGL.

i think right now, playing xx will be good (time for xx to shine as well, not easy to have a chance for him to play, since ml zjk here, fzd not experienced enough yet), but if xx failed, he won't get much chance.

so for the future of cnt, maybe it will be good to test out xx.

ZJK: it's always hard to say, but i don't think he will have problems against timo, he hasn't grabbed all the set points he had in semifinal and before.

really excited for tmr morning. happens to be bank holiday in the UK hahaha i thought the time schedule is really weird. I was thinking maybe ittf handled it wrong, because of the number of teams? this is just weird.

 

[mistreaver]

Zhang Jike played good in semi-final. Just see the match and i'm sure you will be agree with me on this.

I think LGL will send XX as the 3rd player. He even didn't let XX to play at the final of 2012 WTTTC and now let him play two matches? I don't think so.
Or maybe because Zhang Jike and Ma Long already lost some team matches against Boll, LGL will send him to face Boll. Or maybe because XX didn't play Boll until now he won't. No one knows.

Ma Long, Zhang Jike and Xu Xin are all great players and whatever the line up will be, China is going to win it.

I didn't quite understand what you meant with the bolded part? That they didn't play in a world championship match? Because quick "Boll vs xu xin" search at you tube showed that they played on several occasions, and the last match was at the 2013 Chinese Super League which Timo won 3-1

 

[Alborz]

I didn't quite understand what you meant with the bolded part? That they didn't play in a world championship match? Because quick "Boll vs xu xin" search at you tube showed that they played on several occasions, and the last match was at the 2013 Chinese Super League which Timo won 3-1

Good points. I mean they were never faced each other in important matches.

 

[mahomedy13]

I feel the best line-up of chinese would be-1)Xu Xin-very good,on top form,playing his best,and a machine
2)Ma Long-also very good,consistent
3)Wang Hao-experienced,knows Dima and Timo well,also playing quite well

as for Zhang Jike,he is not on his best form recently.He might be way stronger than Wang Hao,but his current results dont look too good,even though they were wins.