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    Why are rubbers so expensive?

    What makes a rubber so expensive???
    I can get 2 great blades for the same price as 1 Tenergy or Dignics.sheet.
    I can get 1 great blade for the same price as an Evolution or a Rakza sheet.

    The rubbers are consumables, the blade is not,(unless You are Timo Boll 😏)

    What on earth makes the rubbers so expensive?

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    What makes a rubber so expensive???I can get 2 great blades for the same price as 1 Tenergy or Dignics.sheet.I can get 1 great blade for the same price as an Evolution or a Rakza sheet.The rubbers are consumables, the blade is not,(unless You are Timo Boll 😏)What on earth makes the rubbers so expensive?CheersL-zr

    What great blade you can get for 25€? You have 2 options. Buy Chinese or wait for deals. (maybe just Polish prices are lower, otherwise buy from Poland lolz).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuba Hajto

    What great blade you can get for 25€? You have 2 options. Buy Chinese or wait for deals. (maybe just Polish prices are lower, otherwise buy from Poland lolz).

    A Dignics here goes for 95Euro's a good blade can be had for 30Euros... One excellent example is Stiga Offensive Classic.
    That's even a big brand name, There are several Tibhar's and probably a couple of TSP's and Gewo's too...
    Sorry I don't buy Chineese cheapo stuff... The QC has gone out for lunch break...

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    Blame the US. The entire world is paying the price for its greed.

    The madness started when the price of natural rubber started shooting up like there's no tomorrow after the financial crisis of 2007-2008, that even ESN admitted they felt the squeeze. Butterfly had to increase the price of their blades and rubbers because the US and Japan printed so much money, AKA quantitative easing(QE), which actually stands for currency manipulation of the 1st world countries to keep the dollar and yen low. Ironically, QE is a Japanese invention in the name of stimulating the economy and growth.

    The price of natural rubber and crude oil from which synthetic rubber is derived has gone down in the last few years but manufacturers are playing dumb.

    I feel bad for the dude who made a thread warning people on MyTT a decade ago.

    The ITTF is also to blame.

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    Dignics here is about the price as buying a rosewood V by stiga (some reason a lot are deep sale atm) and once sheet of Fastarc G1
    the quick answer is wood is cheap, and there isn't much research on blades compared to rubbers. Most just clone each other

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    Quote Originally Posted by passifid
    Dignics here is about the price as buying a rosewood V by stiga (some reason a lot are deep sale atm) and once sheet of Fastarc G1
    the quick answer is wood is cheap, and there isn't much research on blades compared to rubbers. Most just clone each other
    Actually wood isn't cheap anymore, at least not quality wood.
    So why keep the blade... Why not do it Timo Boll's way, New blade and rubber every week... or at least how long it takes for the rubber to go dead...

    I doubt the rubber R&D is that expensive, It's the same basic stuff that I used in the 70's. Now it's a little harder but that's about it. No it's about milking money...

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    yes dignics is 94 usd......but this is the most expensive rubber by butterfly.
    mizutani super zlc is 380usd....this would be at the same top level by the same company.

    you can get a nice sanwei fextra for 19 usd.
    but now you are talking about chinese market.
    so you need to stay in the chinese market for rubbers too.
    so you would get a palio hk1997 for 10 usd.or a 729 presto for 15 usd.

    if you look at it this way the blade is always more expensive than the rubber.

    maybe the better question is why does a mizutani super zlc cost 400 usd.
    is that the real cost or do they put that price just because they can?

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    Quote Originally Posted by olzetezkarzo
    yes dignics is 94 usd......but this is the most expensive rubber by butterfly.
    mizutani super zlc is 380usd....this would be at the same top level by the same company.

    you can get a nice sanwei fextra for 19 usd.
    but now you are talking about chinese market.
    so you need to stay in the chinese market for rubbers too.
    so you would get a palio hk1997 for 10 usd.or a 729 presto for 15 usd.

    if you look at it this way the blade is always more expensive than the rubber.

    maybe the better question is why does a mizutani super zlc cost 400 usd.
    is that the real cost or do they put that price just because they can?

    I would never ever buy a Chineese blade, I've been in China and I've seen all the fake stuff...
    A cheapo rubber OK, maybe but unfortunately I hate the sticky stuff...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazer

    I would never ever buy a Chineese blade, I've been in China and I've seen all the fake stuff...
    A cheapo rubber OK, maybe but unfortunately I hate the sticky stuff...

    Not all Chinese rubbers are sticky. Palio AK47 feels close to Donic Bluefire for me. Similar top sheet texture and same sponge hardness range, the sponge itself is a bit different, but for most of my friends it is good enough when they don't want to spend big money. If you don't want to buy rubbers often then try Fastarc G1, supposably this rubber just don't want to DIE. It has super thick top sheet. It is stiffer than most of the other rubbers though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazer

    I would never ever buy a Chineese blade, I've been in China and I've seen all the fake stuff...
    A cheapo rubber OK, maybe but unfortunately I hate the sticky stuff...

    when you buy adidas or nike where do you think they make that stuff?
    in china mostly....sometimes vietnam or similar places but mostly china.
    it's not like you are buying a product made in "the western world".

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    Quote Originally Posted by olzetezkarzo

    when you buy adidas or nike where do you think they make that stuff?
    in china mostly....sometimes vietnam or similar places but mostly china.
    it's not like you are buying a product made in "the western world".

    Don't forget about Mexico (music instruments). Of course, but when the products are for Western companies and exported they are the real thing, when You buy the same product in China it's more often then not a fake, of course much cheaper. Also when You are ordering online from China You expose Yourself to a big risk of getting something fake.

    And a Chinese product made by a Chinese company are often of varied quality. So of those cheap chinese blades some may be OK but many are pure garbage.

    When it comes to cheap consumables it does not matter if You get a few duds. To me rubbers are just this, where a blade is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazer

    I would never ever buy a Chineese blade, I've been in China and I've seen all the fake stuff...
    A cheapo rubber OK, maybe but unfortunately I hate the sticky stuff...

    This one (729 Focus III Snipe) is really nice, but it's unfortunately not a tensor rubber. Good control, spin and light weight. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1608620179.html . And quite cheap. 44-46 deg could be fine for forehand. Nice Chinese blades, for example Yinhe V-14 PRO and DHS Power G5X. Both quite fast ALC blades, for around $30-35. Yinhe might be better quality than DHS regarding cheaper blades. I'm really satisfied with these ones.

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    This one (729 Focus III Snipe) is really nice, but it's unfortunately not a tensor rubber. Good control, spin and light weight. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1608620179.html . And quite cheap. 44-46 deg could be fine for forehand. Nice Chinese blades, for example Yinhe V-14 PRO and DHS Power G5X. Both quite fast ALC blades, for around $30-35. Yinhe might be better quality than DHS regarding cheaper blades. I'm really satisfied with these ones.

    I don't know how in other countries, but from July 1, 2021, there will be an obligation to pay customs duties and VAT regardless of whether the goods are for $ 1 or for $ 100.
    The practice of declaring a lower price will be quite risky for the buyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harty

    I don't know how in other countries, but from July 1, 2021, there will be an obligation to pay customs duties and VAT regardless of whether the goods are for $ 1 or for $ 100.
    The practice of declaring a lower price will be quite risky for the buyer.

    Yep. We had that in Sweden since beginning of 2018

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    Fastarc is a Japaneese rubber...

    And why, because the rubber market in Europe is so lucrative, so they want a part of it.
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    Fastarc is a Japaneese rubber...

    I know that. I should maybe have to accented that more clearly. I ended chinese rubbers thread and started new thought thread about using a rubber that lasts a very very very long time as an alternative solution to expensive rubber problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazer
    Fastarc is a Japaneese rubber...

    No, is ESN made in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin el mago

    No, is ESN made in Europe.

    On order from a Japaneese company...

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    On order from a Japaneese company...

    Repeat ESN made in Europe not made in Japan.

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    Repeat ESN made in Europe not made in Japan.

    Lazer, where in the world this you get this info?

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