Bty Petr Korbel (Hungary) vs Tibhar Stratus Power Wood

[dominus7]

Okay, then, for your birthday you should get yourself the Korbel and not think about the Power Wood, because if what you want is the Korbel, that is what you should get.

But you should also get yourself the Primorac Off- for your birthday and use that, and only that for the next year or two. It will set you up to be ready for the Korbel because the two blades are cousins. Primorac has a smaller head size but the same plies. And the Primorac is 5.7mm thick and the Korbel is 6.0mm thick.

So, if what you want is the Korbel for the future, get it, but get the Primorac Off- for now. The Primorac will be better for you game and your development than either of the blades you have even though they are both okay as blades. But the description of how you have a harder time feeling what kind of contact you make and whether you spin the ball or not when you are using the Donic Waldner Senso Carbon is the exact reason why developing players are better off with the kind of all wood blade that the Primorac is. The ability to feel more details on contact will help your technique improve faster.

I was wondering about the SPW and Korbel, but after your advices I've chosen Korbel. Thanks to all.
I have a doubt about Primorac, so do you say it's better than Joola Rossi All-round?


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[UpSideDownCarl]

I was wondering about the SPW and Korbel, but after your advices I've chosen Korbel. Thanks to all.
I have a doubt about Primorac, so do you say it's better than Joola Rossi All-round?

Have no doubts. If you get a good one, it is amazing. If you get one that is not so good, it is still very good and better than most.

It is one of the best blades ever for developing players. And it feels very much like a lighter, slightly slower, more controlled version of the Korbel. Based on seeing footage of you play, and the fact that you are drawn to the Korbel, the Primorac is the blade you should be using now. The simple, plain, 5 ply, all wood Primorac. Not one of the other ones.

Trust me, if I went and got my Primorac back from the friend I gave it to so he could learn with a good blade, it would still be a great blade for me to.

Ask NextLevel what blade he was using before he switched to Nexy Karis M rubbers! I am sure he will tell you.

 

[NextLevel]

Ask NextLevel what blade he was using before he switched to Nexy Karis M rubbers! I am sure he will tell you.

I used it *after* I switched to Karis rubbers. Got my best win ever with it and was my spinniest combo of rubber and blade.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kkYEwe0xjxE

Switched only because I wanted a composite as Karis has a lot of control and I wanted something even faster.

 

[Jabugo]

I used it *after* I switched to Karis rubbers. Got my best win ever with it and was my spinniest combo of rubber and blade.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kkYEwe0xjxE

Switched only because I wanted a composite as Karis has a lot of control and I wanted something even faster.

Nice match and a great example of what you can do with that setup. NL you're a true two-winged looper.

 

[dominus7]

Have no doubts. If you get a good one, it is amazing. If you get one that is not so good, it is still very good and better than most.

It is one of the best blades ever for developing players. And it feels very much like a lighter, slightly slower, more controlled version of the Korbel. Based on seeing footage of you play, and the fact that you are drawn to the Korbel, the Primorac is the blade you should be using now. The simple, plain, 5 ply, all wood Primorac. Not one of the other ones.

Trust me, if I went and got my Primorac back from the friend I gave it to so he could learn with a good blade, it would still be a great blade for me to.

Ask NextLevel what blade he was using before he switched to Nexy Karis M rubbers! I am sure he will tell you.

But is almost the same topic, how about the weight for Primorac?

 

[NextLevel]

Nice match and a great example of what you can do with that setup. NL you're a true two-winged looper.

That is the biggest compliment anyone has ever paid me in my TT Life. I can retire in peace now.

 

[dominus7]

But is almost the same topic, how about the weight for Primorac?

90 grs too?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

90 grs too?

Primorac is a smaller blade than Korbel. If the Primorac was 87-90 grams it should be fine. But all that info about weight still remains. A 92 gram Primorac will have a better more solid feel than an 87 gram Primorac. [emoji2]

Let me ask you a few questions:

What is your age range? 9-14? 15-18? 19-25? 25-35? 36-45? 46-55? 56-100?

Unless you are in the first two or last two age categories, OR you have a real, chronic injury like a repetitive stress injury to your wrist, elbow or shoulder that effects other things in your life like picking up a half gallon container of apple juice, then you should be able to play with rackets where the blade is as heavy as 110 grams without much problem.

If you did have a repetitive stress injury like tennis elbow, carpal tunnel, rotator cuff injuries or something like that, then that is a different story.

But if you are between the ages of 19-45 years old and are basically health, then you may not need to be as worried about weight as you seem to be. This is not so different from the idea that you didn't need to be so worried about Korbel vs Power Wood.

Without you trying to racket and feeling and comparing, you won't really know what you like best. And there is this thing with TT blades where so many people seem to think about that they should be using a blade that is around 80-85 grams.

This is marketing weirdness that I believe originates from TT companies.

On time Der_Echte took an 85 gram Stiga Allround Evolution, cut open the handle, added 35 grams of weight into the hollow space they make inside the handles of most mass produced blades these to make you think your blade is lighter than it is, and ended up with a 120 gram Allround Evolution.

It played SOOOOOO much better with the extra weight in the handle and I did not feel anything close to too heavy.

Many of the top pros use blade between 89-98 grams. But the TT companies want you to think that is too heavy.

Maybe Der can tell the story about when he watched Kim Jung Hoon selecting blades at Nexy headquarters in Korea.


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[dominus7]

Primorac is a smaller blade than Korbel. If the Primorac was 87-90 grams it should be fine. But all that info about weight still remains. A 92 gram Primorac will have a better more solid feel than an 87 gram Primorac. [emoji2]

Let me ask you a few questions:

What is your age range? 9-14? 15-18? 19-25? 25-35? 36-45? 46-55? 56-100?

Unless you are in the first two or last two age categories, OR you have a real, chronic injury like a repetitive stress injury to your wrist, elbow or shoulder that effects other things in your life like picking up a half gallon container of apple juice, then you should be able to play with rackets where the blade is as heavy as 110 grams without much problem.

If you did have a repetitive stress injury like tennis elbow, carpal tunnel, rotator cuff injuries or something like that, then that is a different story.

But if you are between the ages of 19-45 years old and are basically health, then you may not need to be as worried about weight as you seem to be. This is not so different from the idea that you didn't need to be so worried about Korbel vs Power Wood.

Without you trying to racket and feeling and comparing, you won't really know what you like best. And there is this thing with TT blades where so many people seem to think about that they should be using a blade that is around 80-85 grams.

This is marketing weirdness that I believe originates from TT companies.

On time Der_Echte took an 85 gram Stiga Allround Evolution, cut open the handle, added 35 grams of weight into the hollow space they make inside the handles of most mass produced blades these to make you think your blade is lighter than it is, and ended up with a 120 gram Allround Evolution.

It played SOOOOOO much better with the extra weight in the handle and I did not feel anything close to too heavy.

Many of the top pros use blade between 89-98 grams. But the TT companies want you to think that is too heavy.

Maybe Der can tell the story about when he watched Kim Jung Hoon selecting blades at Nexy headquarters in Korea.


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I'm between 25-35, I've got an injury but not chronic, my first time using a real paddle was a xushaofa borrowed, after that the teacher advised to me get a Joola Rossi, so I felt the weight normal-light, but as you said, less mass=less power, I don't smash I'm a looper, because I don't think the speed is the only factor to win, I prefer looping, then I can hit slowly and tricky, or a spinny shot, or move the ball side to side and front to behind, forcing the mistake. But if I have the chance to smash I'll pretend to smash [emoji12] . And hit a backspin.
The currently donic weights more than 200 grs, and I'm getting used to it.
I'm trying hardly to perfect every stroke, that's why I need a very consistent blade. I know it's not only the blade, the factor, the ball, rubbers, and the table can make a slight difference, but difference at the end. So this is a challenge to me to learn correctly every stroke, and get experience to win almost all matches.

 

[Der_Echte]

I could "Beast Mod" one of his choices, slap on the same rubbers, hand it off to the OP without stating the weight, he would have 99% chance of saying the Beast Mod 20 grams heavier is LIGHTER on the swing.

I gave CARL his own precious Stiga Allround Evolution that turned into an OFF- Evolution and it hit so great we almost had a tug of war over it. (Not like he woulda won one of those with me without spiking my drinking water with Chlorine.)

I saw Kim Jung Hoon live have a short hit session with three Peter Pan all wood blades. KJH sniffed out the heaviest (and more powerful one) almost immediately, it took him to maybe the second look to confirm his opinion.

You hear a Korean say "Jal Na-Ga" about a blade or rubber and it means it really moves out.

 

[dominus7]

I could "Beast Mod" one of his choices, slap on the same rubbers, hand it off to the OP without stating the weight, he would have 99% chance of saying the Beast Mod 20 grams heavier is LIGHTER on the swing.

I gave CARL his own precious Stiga Allround Evolution that turned into an OFF- Evolution and it hit so great we almost had a tug of war over it. (Not like he woulda won one of those with me without spiking my drinking water with Chlorine.)

I saw Kim Jung Hoon live have a short hit session with three Peter Pan all wood blades. KJH sniffed out the heaviest (and more powerful one) almost immediately, it took him to maybe the second look to confirm his opinion.

You hear a Korean say "Jal Na-Ga" about a blade or rubber and it means it really moves out.

Peter pan [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] you made me laugh a lot, I'm agree about more weight is more power, but the first time your timing will be slower, if you never tried with a heavier. The weight of the blade+ rubbers+ glue means a strength to accelerate and stop, so the timing will be slower with a heavier setup.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

You may not realize but the Nexy Peter Pan blade is a blade that Kim Jung Hoon used as a 5 ply prototype to help get Nexy develop the 7 ply Kim Jung Hoon blade that Nexy ended up designing for him. The KJH blade is sold by Tibhar and designed by Nexy. And the Nexy Peter Pan blade is really a great blade.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

But I also have to say, this worrying about weight, I really am not sure what is going on here.

When I was 15 I was swinging a 34" baseball bat that weighed 32oz: that is 907.2 grams. And TT players are worried about a blade that is 90 grams.

Babe Ruth used a 40oz bat during the season he hit 60 home runs. That is 1,134 grams. But he also used a bat that was 54oz. That is 1,531 grams.

I know that this isn't baseball and that bat speed and reset time are important in TT. But I think sometimes TT players get a little fussy about the difference between a gram or two in racket weight and miss the more important issue of weight distribution and balance or the understanding of the value of having some inertia behind your shot from the weight of a racket.

I mean, the first TT blade I used was a Butterfly Mazunov from 1991 and that sukkah weighs in at about 110 grams. Back when I got it I never even thought about the weight and it never felt too heavy for me. In fact, at the time, it felt magically perfect. And that 120 gram Allround Evolution really felt great. I bet if you tried it without being told the weight you wouldn't even realize what it weighed because you would like how it felt so much.

 

[NextLevel]

Today, I was trying to figure out what about the Vega Pro makes it so suited for my style and why I like it (I consider it a composite Korbel, and it is quite likely that if the Vega Pro didn't exist, I would be using a Korbel or KJH). The short answer is that what I thought was a thin flare handle 3 years ago is really a handle that helps me facilitate the most whip of any blade I play with. The Korbel is very similar in that regard, as is in many ways the KJH.

The Powerwood can be similar sometimes but I once broke one by having my backswing go into someone behind me. And I asked myself, should that really break a blade? That's one of the reasons I am not as sold as I used to be on the quality of the Powerwood.

 

[NextLevel]

But I also have to say, this worrying about weight, I really am not sure what is going on here.

When I was 15 I was swinging a 34" baseball bat that weighed 32oz: that is 907.2 grams. And TT players are worried about a blade that is 90 grams.

Babe Ruth used a 40oz bat during the season he hit 60 home runs. That is 1,134 grams. But he also used a bat that was 54oz, that is 1,531 grams.

I know that bat speed and reset are important. And I know that bat speed and reset time are important in TT but I think sometimes TT players get a little fussy about the difference between a gram or two in racket weight and miss the more important issue of weight distribution and balance or the understanding of the value of having some inertia behind your shot from the weight of a racket.

I mean, the first TT blade I used was a Butterfly Mazunov from 1991 and that sukkah weighs in at about 110 grams. Back when I got it I never even thought about the weight and it never felt too heavy for me. In fact, at the time, it felt magically perfect. And that 120 gram Allround Evolution really felt great. I bet if you tried it without being told the weight you wouldn't even realize what it weighed because you would like how it felt so much.

Modern rubbers are much heavier though. Just saying.

 

[sanavasaraja]

Just adding my 2 cents to what probably has already been stressed enough by the prominent faces of this forum, meaning far better players than me with far more experience: It baffles me what I read on some pages, for example that "these are quite heavy rubbers so you might want to get a lighter blade to not strain your wrist that much." Imo that has it absolutely backwards; especially in that case you shouldn't get a lighter blade because it will make it head heavy which puts far more strain on your wrist lol. The balance of the blade and your individual preference for that is so much more important than the total weight of the blade. Of course I too look for a blade that is as light as possible, because my wrist isn't very strong and I can swing noticeably faster with my over-a-decade-old, far lighter blades. But the first and foremost priority is the balance of the blade.

 

[Der_Echte]

Modern rubbers are much heavier though. Just saying.

True.. and TUNED, much more so... AND many modern blades are hollow handled and weight it too far forward... with such heavy rubbers it is amazing one can accelerate he bat with wrist to make any whip.

With much weight low, it HELPS facilitate the whip so much easier it is silly. On counterloops, using a Beast Mod blade is almost an unfair advantage on loops, especially with Nexy Karis, which handles incoming topspin so nicely.

If I were to make my own line of blade design, some of my models would be called "Iron Man" or "Viper Whip" or "Torque City" or "Crush Kill Plus"... all with Beast Mod technology.

I would design my handles to be tightly fitting, but detachable with access to the secret code of the NSA Spy Phone. My blade would come with three sets of different matched weights to customize the weight distribution and feel at impact.

In a practical world, TT equipment companies would make and market such gear.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Today, I was trying to figure out what about the Vega Pro makes it so suited for my style and why I like it (I consider it a composite Korbel, and it is quite likely that if the Vega Pro didn't exist, I would be using a Korbel or KJH). The short answer is that what I thought was a thin flare handle 3 years ago is really a handle that helps me facilitate the most whip of any blade I play with. The Korbel is very similar in that regard, as is in many ways the KJH.

The Powerwood can be similar sometimes but I once broke one by having my backswing go into someone behind me. And I asked myself, should that really break a blade? That's one of the reasons I am not as sold as I used to be on the quality of the Powerwood.

There is a lot of good stuff in this post. A lot.

1) Those thin handles that a lot of people complain about because they want to actually hold the handle like they have the vulcan death grip, a thin handle that you are not fully holding that does not get in the way of your wrist moving freely....well, when you know how to hold without needing to grab the handle like a club, you can really use those little handles to get more wrist action and whip.

2) The blades I used to like a few years ago had a feeling of being disposable, delicate. Where they were very easy to break but they had good feel and good playing characteristics. For a long time I felt that this delicateness that made certain blades easy to break, also made them have that extra feel that I love. On the contrary, a lot of the most durable blades I had tried had a feeling that was a little duller and more like you were playing with a piece of furniture. There is a quality to a lot of Butterfly's all wood blades that is a little like this. You can get used to it and they do have very good feeling but it is a different kind of "very good feeling" than those disposable blades I was talking about. Part of the thing that made me like my OSP Virtuoso Plus so much is that it has that feeling of the delicate blades, the easy to break, almost disposable blades, that feel like they have that extra aliveness, and yet, it is solid like a tank and at least as indestructible as any of the Butterfly battleships that play like the leg of an old, solid coach.

This thing is there in all of my OSP blades. But the V+ is just the one that made my hand the happiest.

 

[Der_Echte]

USD Carl does NOT sleep. Who needs it anywayz?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I developed these non sleeping patterns many moons ago. But they really came in handy when I REALLY wasn't sleeping because there was someone who needed taking care of 20-30 times a night.