Can we tell how popular TT is

[Loopadoop]

Ruby Chan 2136 USATT rating

 

[NDH]

Ruby Chan 2136 USATT rating

It looks like she's around 2500 - Although it's hard to tell how accurate it is (the website is playing up at the moment).

You often find juniors are quite significantly ahead of their true position.

The system also benefits people who simply play matches.

There are a number of people who are ranked in the mid 2000's who are there because they play a lot of tournaments and league matches.

Then there are people like me, who don't play the big tournaments (I can't do weekends), and only 1 of the leagues I play in uses the TT365 system. So all of my other matches in the second league don't count.

It's not ideal, and I think you'd need quite a large sample to compare TT365 with USTT!

 

[Loopadoop]

The rating system in the USA has some deflation in it, she only played one tournament, the US Open.

 

[NDH]

The rating system in the USA has some deflation in it, she only played one tournament, the US Open.

Looks like it's the same as Tin-Tin Ho?

There will always be difficulties in getting a true rating - Especially with improving younger players.

Take Ruby Chan for example.

This year she lost to someone in my league who was ranked below her.

Despite that person having an inflated ranking herself, due to the tournaments she plays (she loses regularly to local league players ranked below her in the regular league).

But because the tournaments have a heavier weighting, you can win far more points there, and then only lose a few (or gain a few) in the local league.

Which often puts those people who drive around playing tournaments on a weekly basis, above many many people who are better than them, but don't play in the tournaments (they only play local league).

So I think the US2000 = TT365 2100 is probably not far off.

 

[Loopadoop]

What is Anna Hursey's rating and Elina Todirca ?

That will help me judge.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I disagree that the social players will drive coaching opportunities and equipment sales, because that only happens once you get to a club, take an interest in the sport and want to develop.

Most social players don't want to do that - The closest example I can think of is Golf.

Tons of social players who buy their clubs when they start, never have a Golf lesson and don't ever change equipment.

In Europe at least, the emphasis has to be on developing the clubs, the leagues and the overall participation across these two aspects.

If little Jimmy is playing against his Dad at home in the garage on a table.... Well, we'll never be able to add them to the "participation list" because it's a little bit too social (if that makes sense).

I get what you are saying, but again, you want TT famous, not TT registered numbers
How many people play golf, but are not a registered member - me. I have 2 golf club sets and have never registered any where before.
I took few leasons, and still can't kit the ball (I thought the ball is the same size, how difficult is it to hit a white ball while I have been hitting a TT ball my whole life)

I disagree with you about equipment.
I have a lot of clients who are very social players - the dad and sons, or coworkers at office. They will all come to me to buy equipment as they don't want cheap premade bats.
I do not push them to clubs, but I do offer them coaching/coaches if they need.

I disagree that "only driving sales once get to club". maybe that is the case in Europe, but in Asia, clubs is not that famous. A lot of people's entry point is school or community centre.
They get there and first use premades, eventually they go to a table tennis shop and get a better bat.
I would say this is majority with minority of them in TT clubs.

I think maybe Europe's goal on club is its success and failure.
success - we can see
failure, the fan base is so small

tell me, how much of Schools Table Tennis role out is there in Europe?

Taiwan, Japan, Korea is so strong because its schools table tennis system is likely the best in the world - better than China