CNT ditched Wang Manyu for WTTC in Doha 2025

[TTFrenzy]

not surprised
merit selection does not exist within CNT, as what I tried to explain to shine and some other people in recent months/

So why they didnt select WMY?

 

[Tiz]

Wang Manyu lost 3-0 to Kuai Man at the recent Singapore Smash, maybe she's not in good shape?

 

[NextLevel]

Wang Manyu lost 3-0 to Kuai Man at the recent Singapore Smash, maybe she's not in good shape?

Wang Manyu beat Kuai Man and Sun Yingsha at the more recent Asian Cup. She is in incredible shape.

 

[NextLevel]

So why they didnt select WMY?

The list is tentative and was probably filled in as a placeholder based on outdated information unless WMY intends to miss the WTTC for personal reasons.

 

[dingyibvs]

The list is tentative and was probably filled in as a placeholder based on outdated information unless WMY intends to miss the WTTC for personal reasons.

It's not tentative per se, it's simply not the list of participants. It's a list of qualified players published by ITTF, and WMY didn't qualify due to her not participating in the ATTC last year. As mentioned before, national federations can replace the qualified players with others of their choosing.

"The list below represents an initial long list based on the Continental Stage results and is subject to changes based on the overall 2025 WTTC Qualification Pathway":

https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/2025_WTTC_Finals_MS-2.pdf

 

[NextLevel]

It's not tentative per se, it's simply not the list of participants. It's a list of qualified players published by ITTF, and WMY didn't qualify due to her not participating in the ATTC last year. As mentioned before, national federations can replace the qualified players with others of their choosing.

"The list below represents an initial long list based on the Continental Stage results and is subject to changes based on the overall 2025 WTTC Qualification Pathway":

https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/2025_WTTC_Finals_MS-2.pdf

That makes better sense, thanks. And since Xunyao Shi played the team event, it comes together.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Is there a post or comment anywhere detailing specifically what you do for all these CNT, KNT, JNT players that you frequently mention?

Apart from "servicing" and "helping them find leagues" I haven't really seen any specifics on what it is that your service provides, and I read the "my involvement" thread all the way through, which mentions little specifics of what it is that you actually do and are getting paid for.

I don't think I listed my full service publicly, however if you follow me on facebook and Instagram, you can see a lot more of what I do.

I know many pro players on a personal level, a good number of them world class, myself. I've never heard of them using and paying for 3rd party agents especially from outside of their country. Mainly, because top players and coaches are all connected and finding leagues is not difficult if you are a certain level of player and the TT world is so small that there isn't really much digging to be done. For lower level players I understand it,

you would think the world is small, but yet, there are a lot of difficulties to connect Asia with the rest of the worlds.
Some times coaches don't even want to get involved so just reject out right. I think most times it is language barriers.
TT brands connect players more than coaches from what I see (ie Donic sponsored, you end up in Donic club in TTBL for example) or some times, like now, a top coach from Korea giving a list of players interested to me (and I was dealing with 1 of the players already - arrange by one of the Taiwanese players I am managing).

There are a crop of CNT womens that retired recently, and few European Champions leagues clubs are trying to hunt them down for the past 2 to 4 weeks and failed. So maybe the connection as per what you say, is only surface level. One of the clubs in Pro A actually made me an offer last night, and the player can't speak a word of English. Another player I am discussing with UTT and MLTT, UTT has responded over the weekend and made an offer and we are busy negotiating still. MLTT I was expecting Monday's US working day to respond to me, but currently no answer yet.

and I am talking players with respective domestic ranking and international ranking, not "low level".
You would think they have many clubs calling them.. but it wasn't the case and I am surprised myself too, to be honest.
I was more facilitating non Taiwanese to train in Taiwan few years ago, and then I moved to Taiwanese players to play leagues, and now open to all countries players to play leagues.

So I'm really curious what the extent of your agent service is. Do you have a webpage or information you can provide if I want to connect you with pro players that I know who are looking for leagues?

website is being develop, and in terms of what I can offer, it can be up to a complete agent, but right now, I am tailoring based on the needs of the players and most players need clubs for both income and more game time.

you are more than welcome to talk to be privately and we can discuss further.

 

[Shine]

I don't think I listed my full service publicly, however if you follow me on facebook and Instagram, you can see a lot more of what I do.

you would think the world is small, but yet, there are a lot of difficulties to connect Asia with the rest of the worlds.
Some times coaches don't even want to get involved so just reject out right. I think most times it is language barriers.
TT brands connect players more than coaches from what I see (ie Donic sponsored, you end up in Donic club in TTBL for example) or some times, like now, a top coach from Korea giving a list of players interested to me (and I was dealing with 1 of the players already - arrange by one of the Taiwanese players I am managing).

There are a crop of CNT womens that retired recently, and few European Champions leagues clubs are trying to hunt them down for the past 2 to 4 weeks and failed. So maybe the connection as per what you say, is only surface level. One of the clubs in Pro A actually made me an offer last night, and the player can't speak a word of English. Another player I am discussing with UTT and MLTT, UTT has responded over the weekend and made an offer and we are busy negotiating still. MLTT I was expecting Monday's US working day to respond to me, but currently no answer yet.

and I am talking players with respective domestic ranking and international ranking, not "low level".
You would think they have many clubs calling them.. but it wasn't the case and I am surprised myself too, to be honest.
I was more facilitating non Taiwanese to train in Taiwan few years ago, and then I moved to Taiwanese players to play leagues, and now open to all countries players to play leagues.


website is being develop, and in terms of what I can offer, it can be up to a complete agent, but right now, I am tailoring based on the needs of the players and most players need clubs for both income and more game time.

you are more than welcome to talk to be privately and we can discuss further.

Yeah you have all this knowledge and connection but you are baited into complaining about lack of merit in a tentative list drawn up by the ITTF as CNT oppression.
I think we need a dossier of how many times you've been loud, wrong and unsurprisingly dogmatic despite your gaffes. Adults take responsibility for their mistakes and misinformation that they spread.

 

[zeio]

Ah trust me bro, this can't be right , there are forces against Manyu in the team because the coaches are dumb enough to put largely untested and untrusted Kuai & Xunyao in the WTTC because of politics of course, and I mean who else beats Hayata without breaking much of a sweat if not Xunyao and WYD, silly foreign CCP spokesmen.
And I know this as a matter of fact from arrant gossip tabloi.. ehem from my mole in the team akshually. He serves as LGL right hand man and he's been wanting out forever.

To be fair to Tony, all the while claiming "CNT doesn't work based on merits" and "China is the only country with centralized system. All other countries are all independent", he conveniently forgot how he blasted NZOC/TTNZ.

Not to forget there was the SOC/SBTF denying Matilda Ekholm her Olympic dream 2 times. Remember the fiasco among Persson, Karlsson, Falck, Kallberg and Moregard back at Tokyo 2020? Not so independent after all, are they?

Matilda Ekholm bids farewell: #BehindTheTable
https://www.ittf.com/2020/04/10/matilda-ekholm-bids-farewell-behindthetable/

SD: You qualified for the Beijing 2008 and London 2012 Olympic Games but unfortunately your entry wasn’t endorsed by the Swedish NOC. How difficult was it to deal with the situation? But also, how much for a delight was it for you when you were finally endorsed to play at Rio 2016?

ME: 2008 was hard for me because I was 26 and my NOC told me I was too old to be a future prospect. At that time, I still felt like I was at the beginning of my career, so it was especially hard. I was really bummed out and lost both my self-esteem and confidence. But my coach was supporting me and made me believe I could come back. In 2012, I was mostly surprised and angry as I was ranked among the best 18 of the players qualified for the Olympics, and had been constantly improving since 2008. But, the support I received from my federation and the table tennis community was mind-blowing and I was even invited by ITTF to come see the Games. Getting that support was crucial for me to continue holding my head up high. Playing at Rio 2016 was great, but maybe most of all it was proof that I had done a great job not giving up and it made me feel very proud of myself.

 

[Shine]

To be fair to Tony, all the while claiming "CNT doesn't work based on merits" and "China is the only country with centralized system. All other countries are all independent", he conveniently forgot how he blasted NZOC/TTNZ.

Not to forget there was the SOC/SBTF denying Matilda Ekholm her Olympic dream 2 times. Remember the fiasco among Persson, Karlsson, Kallberg and Moregard back at Tokyo 2020? Not so independent after all, are they?

Matilda Ekholm bids farewell: #BehindTheTable
https://www.ittf.com/2020/04/10/matilda-ekholm-bids-farewell-behindthetable/

"These are just individuals failing the system, nothing to worry about. In the CNT it's the system failing the people".
"You can't make these comparisons, your logic is showing and we're all laughing at you".

Bunch of word salad.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

To be fair to Tony, all the while claiming "CNT doesn't work based on merits" and "China is the only country with centralized system. All other countries are all independent", he conveniently forgot how he blasted NZOC/TTNZ.

Not to forget there was the SOC/SBTF denying Matilda Ekholm her Olympic dream 2 times. Remember the fiasco among Persson, Karlsson, Falck, Kallberg and Moregard back at Tokyo 2020? Not so independent after all, are they?

Matilda Ekholm bids farewell: #BehindTheTable
https://www.ittf.com/2020/04/10/matilda-ekholm-bids-farewell-behindthetable/

this is so funny,

all countries have problems, and all the problems, the players are fighting the federation - otherwise how do you hear about it?? haha. isn't that funny? You know about it, because they fighting about it.
please continue to post all other countries challenges and show the world how all the players have freedom of expression.

 

[zeio]

"These are just individuals failing the system, nothing to worry about. In the CNT it's the system failing the people".
"You can't make these comparisons, your logic is showing and we're all laughing at you".

Bunch of word salad.

Oh, that reminds me how "CTTTA doesn't control the players in Taiwan. The players operate independently, just like most countries" when CCY was forced to but refused to participate in ATTC 2019 and was made the villain by CTTTA.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Introducing DJI Dock 3: Rise to Any Challenge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwUwgpqgcMA

DJI Dock 3: Everything You Need to Know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPNXXlu8B8

 

[Shine]

Introducing DJI Dock 3: Rise to Any Challenge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwUwgpqgcMA

DJI Dock 3: Everything You Need to Know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPNXXlu8B8

Lol
Before the edits

 

[ThePongCommenter]

you would think the world is small, but yet, there are a lot of difficulties to connect Asia with the rest of the worlds.
Some times coaches don't even want to get involved so just reject out right. I think most times it is language barriers.
TT brands connect players more than coaches from what I see (ie Donic sponsored, you end up in Donic club in TTBL for example) or some times, like now, a top coach from Korea giving a list of players interested to me (and I was dealing with 1 of the players already - arrange by one of the Taiwanese players I am managing).

There are a crop of CNT womens that retired recently, and few European Champions leagues clubs are trying to hunt them down for the past 2 to 4 weeks and failed. So maybe the connection as per what you say, is only surface level. One of the clubs in Pro A actually made me an offer last night, and the player can't speak a word of English. Another player I am discussing with UTT and MLTT, UTT has responded over the weekend and made an offer and we are busy negotiating still. MLTT I was expecting Monday's US working day to respond to me, but currently no answer yet.

and I am talking players with respective domestic ranking and international ranking, not "low level".
You would think they have many clubs calling them.. but it wasn't the case and I am surprised myself too, to be honest.
I was more facilitating non Taiwanese to train in Taiwan few years ago, and then I moved to Taiwanese players to play leagues, and now open to all countries players to play leagues.


website is being develop, and in terms of what I can offer, it can be up to a complete agent, but right now, I am tailoring based on the needs of the players and most players need clubs for both income and more game time.

you are more than welcome to talk to be privately and we can discuss further.

Definitely agreed on difficulties with connecting Asian players to European clubs in some cases. Also have seen lots of cases mainly with Chinese of their provincial team coaches blocking them from playing foreign leagues even if they want to.

When I said "low level" I meant the players below like Chang Yu-an or Hung Jing-kai on this list. I've never heard of players at that level i.e. Chang Chia Hao around 2550 USATT or Alfred Dela Pena around 2400 USATT, or Braxton around 2600 USATT using and paying agents. Definitely aware of the players at the top end of the list having strong domestic and international rankings though.

I guess my question was more - are you contracted by the clubs, or by players. It seems, a bit of both?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

When I said "low level" I meant the players below like Chang Yu-an or Hung Jing-kai on this list. I've never heard of players at that level i.e. Chang Chia Hao around 2550 USATT or Alfred Dela Pena around 2400 USATT, or Braxton around 2600 USATT using and paying agents. Definitely aware of the players at the top end of the list having strong domestic and international rankings though.

Well, I guess there might be a lot of things you haven't heard of.
but I guess you already did some homework to see one of the players is called Braxton in English.

I guess my question was more - are you contracted by the clubs, or by players. It seems, a bit of both?

both.

leagues is not only TTBL or Pro A. There are many tiers as you know.
When clubs have a need, I can fulfill.
When players want to play, I can find a club.
I gathered with all the networking I have accumulated over the years, it is at least a good cause - win-win-win for all 3 parties, than oppose to just bragging about my connections on TTD and then getting attacked by zeio or shine.
Life in the real world is way more appreciative

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Well, I guess there might be a lot of things you haven't heard of.
but I guess you already did some homework to see one of the players is called Braxton in English.


both.

leagues is not only TTBL or Pro A. There are many tiers as you know.
When clubs have a need, I can fulfill.
When players want to play, I can find a club.
I gathered with all the networking I have accumulated over the years, it is at least a good cause - win-win-win for all 3 parties, than oppose to just bragging about my connections on TTD and then getting attacked by zeio or shine.
Life in the real world is way more appreciative

No need to do homework when the info comes to your backyard. Sure, there might be a lot of things you haven't heard of too. I guess it really comes down what one's definition of a sports agent is or what constitutes calling a player "my player" and maybe your and my definition differs.

Thanks for the clarification though. I can't speak for others on the forum but I can say that the constant name dropping would probably be more appreciated if it came with more specifics, but, if you aren't at liberty to speak about it that's understandable. From what I see, a lot of the frustration comes with you constantly mentioning your position being involved with the pro circle and talking down on everyone else on the forum being a hobby player (and maybe incorrectly assuming everyone else is a hobby player).

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

No need to do homework when the info comes to your backyard. Sure, there might be a lot of things you haven't heard of too. I guess it really comes down what one's definition of a sports agent is or what constitutes calling a player "my player" and maybe your and my definition differs.

Thanks for the clarification though. I can't speak for others on the forum but I can say that the constant name dropping would probably be more appreciated if it came with more specifics, but, if you aren't at liberty to speak about it that's understandable. From what I see, a lot of the frustration comes with you constantly mentioning your position being involved with the pro circle and talking down on everyone else on the forum being a hobby player (and maybe incorrectly assuming everyone else is a hobby player).

the few that knows me for over 10 years on TTD, knows I'm pretty well connected around. Many people still see me having a SA flag and assume because it is Africa, I should not be in the position that I am and probably think I am a fake. I think shine even questions the SA part before.

My frustration is, you have guys hiding behind an alias and pretends to know more than what I know of the space I am in and trying to correct me. This is no different with Pros coming on, and getting taught table tennis by OB. They all leave with frustrations, and I left once, only for Dan the owner, to ask me to come back.
But to be honest, Dan isn't interested in the health of the forum any more. He is dodging problems, as I think the TTD brand main business is now no where linked to the forum. any ways, that is another topic. I have asked Dan to address zeio hijacking of ttd (an old habits his, which is back) and Carl has no wish to continue babysitting that big baby and wants @Dan to intervene and see if he agrees what the hijacking or not.

Maybe we should all move somewhere a bit real - are you on facebook?

so back to me and being an agent for the players....well, that is true and you can speak to any of those players and ask about me. I have nothing to hide, unlike zeio who can only hide and share car videos.
for many that have contacted me privately, about what I can offer, I have been very sincere about it. Maybe I a very direct, but I am no fake.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

the few that knows me for over 10 years on TTD, knows I'm pretty well connected around. Many people still see me having a SA flag and assume because it is Africa, I should not be in the position that I am and probably think I am a fake. I think shine even questions the SA part before.

My frustration is, you have guys hiding behind an alias and pretends to know more than what I know of the space I am in and trying to correct me. This is no different with Pros coming on, and getting taught table tennis by OB. They all leave with frustrations, and I left once, only for Dan the owner, to ask me to come back.
But to be honest, Dan isn't interested in the health of the forum any more. He is dodging problems, as I think the TTD brand main business is now no where linked to the forum. any ways, that is another topic. I have asked Dan to address zeio hijacking of ttd (an old habits his, which is back) and Carl has no wish to continue babysitting that big baby and wants @Dan to intervene and see if he agrees what the hijacking or not.

Maybe we should all move somewhere a bit real - are you on facebook?

so back to me and being an agent for the players....well, that is true and you can speak to any of those players and ask about me. I have nothing to hide, unlike zeio who can only hide and share car videos.
for many that have contacted me privately, about what I can offer, I have been very sincere about it. Maybe I a very direct, but I am no fake.

I never said you were a fake and don't think that, we've talked - just explaining my interpretation of how you end up in apparently so many arguments over who you are and your involvement in the scene. And my suggestion would be giving more tangible facts supporting your insider knowledge rather than opinions but of course that is up to you.

But you are right, TTD guys are riding the WTT wave now, and this forum doesn't matter to them. Understandable, if maybe unfortunate.