For Sale: DHS national equipment (rubbers and blades)

[bobpuls]

come on ...
to the em... video ... this all just make me laught ....
lets elaborate on the video a little bit.
time 0:50 ... really taking http://www.tabletennisdb.com as reference for throw angle ?
This is web page where mostli amteur players are giving they thoughts about some aspect of the rubber ....but most of them are taking this info from nothing only from comparing with two or three rubbers they tested ... but mostly this is not relevant info ... for example tg2 neo is here in spin on 56 place ... but for me is no.:1 .. why so ? I thing most of the people here is using them for drive shots ... and this is the place where the tg2 does not have such amount of spin ... but when i`m using it with proper loop this is just no. 1 but you have to do a proper loop. and the same is appling for the throw angle... and yes i thing most of the dhs hurricane and tg rubbers are very low throw angle rubbers compared to eurojapan.
2:00 why not to commercialize ... it is simple ..this rubbers are meant to be used ass a advantage for cnt players ... why would i give the weapon to the opponents ?
2:23 ... here it is ...... wait for it ..... "SOME DEALERS" this is just alibism in realtime. "Top players are not allowed to sell they rubbers to the public" .... of course ... this will be just disrespecting of them self .... but there are many middle mans which can .
How much rubbers you thing they are making for cnt players ? and how much ma long is going to use them before he decide he wants to adjust the rubber a little bit different way ? let me tell you ... they will not make +-100 rubbers ... count it in thousand ....
3:10 .. real prof .... classic malong no spin serve which bounce back with back spin but to high . Where is the proof here about anything ?
3:22 classic fast no spin serve is just killed ..
3:29 start is missing and angle is bad ... useless shot ... only think can be noticable .. malong powerful spin.
3:32 start is missing but probabply no spin serve which bounce back with back spin but to high.

the other talks just common knowledge .....
i have tested multiple blue sponges ... and in opposite ... the rubber is not dead as emrat.. say ..but is more elastic and faster then the commercial
4:46 this one i agree with.
5:10 ... what the f.... is he serious to bring this front of the common people ? Who will buy this expensive blades now ?.... he is just ruining the market !!! Stop him !!
5:50 ... that`s the end who anyone can expect.

 

[EmRatThich]

I don't want to disrupt the business of anybody. And of course, there are some sources that you can find the "provincial" or "national" rubbers. But I have my own experiences of buying the so-called "national rubber". Believe it or not. To have a good national Chinese rubber, you need a good relationship first. As there are some peoples I know, has sold a huge amount of fake national rubbers. And most of the buyers don't know how to identify the fake and the real national rubber.

 

[EmRatThich]

I'm your average guy, and I can get access to CNT equipment

oopps, am I lying?

believers will believe
non believer will never believe
I'm not here to change any ones views.
ones that want to believe, hi

I believe you, Tony, as you are Chinese.
Many sources that the buyers can find "floating" on the Internet are mostly fake. But the source from the real Chinese table tennis player are trust-able.

 

[Zaid323918]

I don't want to disrupt the business of anybody. And of course, there are some sources that you can find the "provincial" or "national" rubbers. But I have my own experiences of buying the so-called "national rubber". Believe it or not. To have a good national Chinese rubber, you need a good relationship first. As there are some peoples I know, has sold a huge amount of fake national rubbers. And most of the buyers don't know how to identify the fake and the real national rubber.

Thank you for helping to clear this up.

 

[Chen Chen]

What's a holyfield by the way?

I have to say he must spent a lot of time and energy to make his videos and try to tell people what he thinks. To me, his information is slightly out of date. Malong's signature is traditional Chinese? Interesting to me. By the way, in the end need to correct something, Malong is using 41.5 degree, Zhangjike using 39 degree??? Sorry man, maybe when he was little. He is using 42 degree at the moment.

One thing I need to mention here, the hurricane 3 with white packing is only allow to use speed glue. The neo version is the only one allows you to use water base glue. On the packaging, it was written in Chinese very clearly, which he didn't mention in his video at all.

 

[Chen Chen]

It is interesting that there are a lot of decent pieces of information and opinions that I agree with in that video. Then there are some that are partial truths.

I can get myself a setup for a very low price that is quite good. I don't need anything special. I definitely wouldn't want or use something that the guys on the CNT use.

There are a lot of online stores that sell counterfeit products claiming it is National issue. There are places that sell old, outdated equipment that was National issue 4-5, 10 years ago. But isn't any longer what DHS is making today. I've seen some sell the old National H3 from the days when it was made for speed glue. I have even seen Ma Long's personal Skyline 3 rubber. Now it is real. It is Skyline 3 that was made for Ma Long. But Ma Long only used Skyline 3 for a few months in 2011.

But there are also people who have an inside contact and do have access to the real stuff. Suga D would know if what he got was real or fake and so would several other of the forum members who bought from Chen Chen. By the way, Suga D was also given a used, old sheet of National rubber from one of the pros. So he had one that could not be anything but legit to compare to the ones he got from Chen Chen.

So, as to your accusation that he has fake products, he can substantiate that what he is selling is real, or Giang, the TTDaily Equipment Moderator, would have done something about it a long time ago.

If what you are saying is, what he is selling might not be the right thing to use for many forum members, that may be true. But they still have the right to buy it if that is what they want.

And if you feel you, or other people, don't need to spend as much money on products as the prices charged here, I may agree. But what Chen Chen is selling is specialty items. And if you don't like the price, nobody will force you to buy it.

But unless you can show how one of his products is counterfeit, I wouldn't go accusing him of it when he and several other forum members can legitimately substantiate that the products he is offering are what he says they are.

Thank you Carl. A lot comments I need to catch up.

 

[Chen Chen]

You really like playing the wise guy, don´t ya? Well, here we go. You asked for it...

-firstly Carl is absolutely right: i got my first H3National from a TTPro i personally know, who also played with that rubber. He also showed me what to look for. And i also gave him some of my Haifu Black Oil i´ve got from Chen Chen, and he has confirmed it simultaneously to be real.

-secondly there are quite a few people on this forum that have already bought from Chen Chen. Reliable people who have bought national rubbers already before. None of them ever complained.

-thirdly: to give an answer to your question: yes, i have asked him, where he got his stuff from.
BTW: Luckily you can click on Chen Chen´s avatar and find all the posts he´s made. Somewhere there is the info you´ve been looking for so desperately.



Thank you for supporting me!

 

[Chen Chen]

Yeah one thing about these 'National' rubbers like EmRatThich said in his video is that they have high throw angles and are not very hard. There is a Chinese guy at the club where my uncle plays who uses this 'National' equipment and my uncle played with it and said that he didn't feel much of a difference between the 'National' version and the regular one except the 'National' one was easier to play with due to the bigger arc and softer sponge (I don't thing ML, FZD, ZJK rubbers have these characteristics). Also, that Chinese guy said he wasn't completely sure about his 'National' rubber being authentic despite the fact that he gets it from China.

Can I ask what your uncle's standard? To be honest, you won't be able to tell the difference that easily, unless you have been playing with hurricane since young age and started with commercial version without boost. That's what my Chinese coach told me. He was provincial player, started to play TT when he was 7. He is 54 now. Welcome to join me to have a coaching session in Shanghai in the future.

 

[Zaid323918]

So Chen can you please explain how you get this equipment and are allowed to sell it? I am not trying to annoy you or something but your posts don't answer my question. (I couldn't find the post that Suga D. mentioned)

 

[Chen Chen]

I don't understand why people thought of emratthich's video as illegitimate as there are some good info in there. As I am dealing with Chinese on business side probably more than many folks here I am very skeptical of their claims. I am not saying Chen Chen goods are fake, though. However, if anyone traveled to Shenzhen's Lowu shopping center you'd know how the most fake market in the world looks like. Rolex, Chanel, LV, etc. are exactly like the real ones if you are willing to pay higher. Thus it is so easy to fake a Hurricane 3 national that you may never find out if it is real or not. The Chinese can fake even a whole Cisco router system with exact software mistakes! I think everyone should be careful but it is your money anyway.

Thank you for your comment. I think he is doing good job to put things together from his point view. I guess everyone's knowledge and the way getting information is limited though.

Every industry is different, not sure about other stuff, but table tennis stuff, you can tell immediately it is fake or real at most of the time as far as I know.

 

[Chen Chen]

• Zaid323918
  
  

  

  Originally Posted by tropical
  If he knew they were fake then he probably paid them cheap. An excellent fake Rolex cost my Chinese friend $500 in 2004!
  
  
  
  yh i know but some of the cheap copies aint bad either. My dad got a copy of a Penerai which was only $50 (original price is around $100,000!) and many people were like OMG and a few even offered to buy it. It even hat a mechanical movement not some rubbish battery. But yeah the materials and quality were a lot worse than the real thing.​
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  Originally Posted by Zaid323918
  I know right. Chinese can make a copy of anything. My father bought a few fake Rolexes and other copies of watches made in China (he already knew they were fake and got em dirt cheap). Still the copy can easily deceive the average person. Only if you open up the watch can you tell it is fake.
  
  
  
  It's very common. There's a difference in mentality between buying luxury goods and useful items such as TT rubber or a fridge. Luxury goods just need to look the same to the real one. Chinese factory sells fake LV bags for half the price but with almost identical sewing techniques. For that many women buy. They still feel good in front of friends (that's probably the sole purpose anyway). Nobody can tell unless a LV expert spend an hour examining the bag.
  
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• 15 Hours Ago
  tropical
  
  

  

  Originally Posted by Zaid323918
  I know right. Chinese can make a copy of anything. My father bought a few fake Rolexes and other copies of watches made in China (he already knew they were fake and got em dirt cheap). Still the copy can easily deceive the average person. Only if you open up the watch can you tell it is fake.
  
  
  
  If he knew they were fake then he probably paid them cheap. An excellent fake Rolex cost my Chinese friend $500 in 2004!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Interesting things about the fake or real stuff. How do you judge it? Good or bad quality? If the quality of fake one is good or the quality of real one is bad. What are you gonna do? Can you call the fake one is real or the real one is fake?
  
  I ordered a t shirt from Nike UK, only wore twice for table tennis session, now there is a hole on it. Shall I call it fake or bad quality?
  
  By the way, I am Chinese, I am not capable of making copy of anything.
  
  Why people like buying fake stuff, I guess there still is a market for it, like your farther buying watches, or those women can't afford the price for real things and try to make them look good in front of other people I guess.​

 

[Chen Chen]

So Chen can you please explain how you get this equipment and are allowed to sell it? I am not trying to annoy you or something but your posts don't answer my question. (I couldn't find the post that Suga D. mentioned)

Sorry, Zaid. I won't be able to tell you where I got my stuff. I do not know you. I am open to answer any questions about the product. Thanks.

 

[Chen Chen]

I am willing to help the people who is interested in using Chinese good quality equipment. You could show any photos I uploaded online or the products got from me to the people who have great knowledge or you trust. Off TTD for a bit now.

 

[Zaid323918]

Ok then. Are your 'National' rubbers the exact same ones that ML, FZD, etc. use?

 

[tropical]

come on ...
Blah blah ..

Your laughing about someone's effort to show us some interesting info is pathetic. These videos to me are harmless and sometimes I find them interesting. Well, he claimed ML played low throw angle then Chen Chen corrected him. I think I can trust Chen Chen more because CC is a Chinese who probably knows more about CNT than Emratthich who is a Vietnamese. So how does this contradicting info affect me? Probably nothing.

It seems you want to make fun of someone (now probably more famous than you with your 2cent opinions. I can do the same about anyone's TT videos, too, if I somehow don't like them.

 

[bobpuls]

Your laughing about someone's effort to show us some interesting info is pathetic. These videos to me are harmless and sometimes I find them interesting. Well, he claimed ML played low throw angle then Chen Chen corrected him. I think I can trust Chen Chen more because CC is a Chinese who probably knows more about CNT than Emratthich who is a Vietnamese. So how does this contradicting info affect me? Probably nothing.

It seems you want to make fun of someone (now probably more famous than you with your 2cent opinions. I can do the same about anyone's TT videos, too, if I somehow don't like them.

I'm not laughing about the video.. Im laughing about the statement which is saying all national rubbers are fake.

 

[Stanny]

Not every statement that people say will be perfect. But I find there's always something good to take away from the videos that Coach EmRatThich makes. Some of the stuff he says are things my Coach tells me and some stuff I don't agree with. On a personal note, I have always thought of the DHS Hurricane rubbers to be low throw rubbers, especially when compared to something like Tenergy 05. I've played them both (H3N and T05) on my racket (HL5), and the difference is very obvious. I mean, it even says on the H3N package - "It is recommended for an attacking strategy with high speed and low fast loop with strong spin." I've used H3, H3N, H3 Provincial (designed for plastic ball), and H8 (mid hardness) and the arc is very low after brushing the ball. And regarding Chen Chen, I have been following his posts on CNT equipment way before I joined TTDaily back in November 2016. And based on the comments and feedback from people who have purchased his wares, and advice he's given to CNT enthusiast, I can say with 99% certainty that he's legit and probably the most trusted person on this forum to get CNT equipment from. The other 1% is because I haven't bought from him myself LOL. However, it's definitely something I'm considering in the future though.

 

[Mumon]

ok for starters, the throw angle of a properly boosted H3 neo national is as low as a germans tolerance for jokes. This makes it extremely hard for opponents to block strong topspins since they barely bounce of the table.

second, chenchen is one of the most trusted guys on this forum. I vouch for him. the products he sells are genuine. how can i tell? extensive research (everybody should do this). These rubbers ARE special, however, they are no holy grail which automatically make your game better. This is the reason they are hard to get but not impossible to get. People forget that the most important thing to make these rubbers work is training and dedication to the game. That said, get away from the keyboard and go practise! haha.


peace!

 

[Chen Chen]

Ok then. Are your 'National' rubbers the exact same ones that ML, FZD, etc. use?

You mean the personal rubbers with name stamp on the sponge?

 

[Chen Chen]

Not every statement that people say will be perfect. But I find there's always something good to take away from the videos that Coach EmRatThich makes. Some of the stuff he says are things my Coach tells me and some stuff I don't agree with. On a personal note, I have always thought of the DHS Hurricane rubbers to be low throw rubbers, especially when compared to something like Tenergy 05. I've played them both (H3N and T05) on my racket (HL5), and the difference is very obvious. I mean, it even says on the H3N package - "It is recommended for an attacking strategy with high speed and low fast loop with strong spin." I've used H3, H3N, H3 Provincial (designed for plastic ball), and H8 (mid hardness) and the arc is very low after brushing the ball. And regarding Chen Chen, I have been following his posts on CNT equipment way before I joined TTDaily back in November 2016. And based on the comments and feedback from people who have purchased his wares, and advice he's given to CNT enthusiast, I can say with 99% certainty that he's legit and probably the most trusted person on this forum to get CNT equipment from. The other 1% is because I haven't bought from him myself LOL. However, it's definitely something I'm considering in the future though.

Nice saying. Thank you for your support.