For Sale: DHS national equipment (rubbers and blades)

[MegaZZ]

Hi MegaZZ,

Thank you for your message.

DHS did make some changes on W968 with the date starts 2016xxxx compare with older W968 and W997:
1. Heading size of the blade is smaller (158/159 mm*150 mm)
2. Handle is thicker and a bit heavier, suitable for the people who has bigger palm
3. A lazer sticker on the handle

After a couple of sessions, as far as I understood from the No.1 and 2 changes, it makes the balance of the blade better (towards central) + Holding a thicker handle feels nicer.

One thing I need to mention here is that DHS changed the whole packaging and serial number of W968 since December 2016. Photos are attached below.

New version W968
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Old version W968
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About the serial number (old version W968) , the date stopped in May 2016 I think. So you could find one from 201601xx to 201605xx. It is not easy to get hold of old version one now.

By the way, the replica version of W997 was all over the place at that time, the first batch serial number always starts with 20140310 xx. Then DHS stopped making W997 in 2014, due to the fact that Malong made his mind on W968 after testing W997 properly at world team championship 2014 in Japan . But I heard some news that DHS will start to make W997 again soon, which is really good news for the amateur players I guess.

Hope the information above is helpful. Let me know if you have any questions.

Would like to say thank you so much to Chen Chen, that actually clarifies a lot of questions on my mind. First of all thanks for assuring me that the newer w968 do have smaller head size and slightly thicker handle. I understand chinese as well and indeed that was my impression when looking through reputable taobao TT stores selling the new w968 models. I was a bit wary when I saw the new packaging as well as the side serial number starting with "HL5...". I thought maybe the stores had mixed up and these w968s were actually the same as the commercial HL5 (which also started with HL5...)

As you have pointed out w997 was made only in 2014 and I indeed my replica one is "20140310_23". I have tried a whole range of shakehand blades: Stiga (including infinity vps/clipper cr/carbo), Butterfly (LSW, Ai Fuku Pro, inner ZLC) and Nittaku Accoustic wood and also OSP virtuoso blades. The w997 replica remains my top choice in terms of overall qualities. I knew it was a replica when I bought it (paid something like $150 USD) in 2014 on a trip back to Beijing. Simply awesome blade (especially given it's "only" a replica).

I think I will give the new W968 a go when I save up enough money this year Any tips on which batch of the new w968 might be better quality Just out of interest have you seen any w968 made in 2017 yet? I haven't come across any on my search through Taobao.

Thanks very much!!

 

[Suga D]

The TTDaily Moderation Team has been working to try and confirm that Chen Chen's sources for DHS national equipment are in fact LEGITIMATE.

However, Chen Chen has been less than cooperative with the moderation team. After several requests over the course of the last several weeks, he has stonewalled in response to questions concerning his sources. Giang has sources in China that could very quickly confirm that Chen Chen is getting his equipment from a legitimate source. We have assured Chen Chen that we would not reveal or use his source. And that it would only be so Giang can verify that the products are real for the BENEFIT of TTDaily members. Even after Dan directed Chen Chen to give Giang what ever information was needed for Giang to confirm that the source is legitimate, Chen Chen gave elusive responses about why he was not going to cooperate.

For this reason we have temporarily suspended Chen Chen's membership until such time that we can confirm that he is offering REAL LEGITIMATE National products and to ensure they are not counterfeits.

When Chen Chen has fully complied with the Moderation Team he will be reinstated. And we will be able to confirm if his products are legit.

This is for the safety of ALL TTDaily members.



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I think you're making a BIG mistake right here, my friend.

But I'm pretty sure this will get settled soon. No worries, Chen Chen.

I've spoken to Chen Chen and i know about the correspondence between Giang and Chen Chen.
I'll definitely gonna speak to Dan about this.

See asking if Chen Chen's stuff is genuine or asking for his sources is two completely different things.
As far as i've seen Chen Chen even spoke about his source. So what does Giang want then? The address?
Heck, he even had the nerve to ask me about this!! I don't like those Bitchazz-behind-the-back moves!
Ever knew the meaning of the word:
LOYALTY?
Don't think so, doesn't look like that!

I think if Chen Chen's source doesn't want to get exposed because he could get in trouble, then that's the point of the END OF DISCUSSION!
See? L-O-Y-A-L-T-Y
[Emoji6]

This is some BIG AZZ Bullsh*t fellas, and you know it!
Now you can ban me for speaking my thoughts on this, or delete my post again, but I'll copy and screensave this, just to make sure.
And until these things are settled i might as well ban myself and reduce my contributions!
Thanks, it's actually been a nice time so far!

 

[EmRatThich]

I understand the idea from the staff is to "protect the community" from the fake national hurricane rubbers.
I understand also that Chen Chen didn't want to reveal where he get the rubber (the source) because it could affect his business. But banning someone for that reason is not appropriate because he didn't violate the term of service of the forum.

I myself, make a video to say to players "focus more on tactics and techniques" because the new players focus too much on the equipment. But it doesn't mean the "table tennis equipment" is not important. In this world, if Chen Chen products are not legit, peoples will complain about it. But the quality is legit, peoples will credit it. So no need to force someone by banning like that. Let it be.

 

[MegaZZ]

The TTDaily Moderation Team has been working to try and confirm that Chen Chen's sources for DHS national equipment are in fact LEGITIMATE.

However, Chen Chen has been less than cooperative with the moderation team. After several requests over the course of the last several weeks, he has stonewalled in response to questions concerning his sources. Giang has sources in China that could very quickly confirm that Chen Chen is getting his equipment from a legitimate source. We have assured Chen Chen that we would not reveal or use his source. And that it would only be so Giang can verify that the products are real for the BENEFIT of TTDaily members. Even after Dan directed Chen Chen to give Giang what ever information was needed for Giang to confirm that the source is legitimate, Chen Chen gave elusive responses about why he was not going to cooperate.

For this reason we have temporarily suspended Chen Chen's membership until such time that we can confirm that he is offering REAL LEGITIMATE National products and to ensure they are not counterfeits.

When Chen Chen has fully complied with the Moderation Team he will be reinstated. And we will be able to confirm if his products are legit.

This is for the safety of ALL TTDaily members.



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Hi there, I am a little confused by this recent development. I remember only a couple of weeks ago there was another user (his username had "Road" in it somewhere) questioned the quality of Chen Chen's products in a thread and you posted a message something to the effect that Chen Chen has a good reputation on TTD and that people like TT4Life and Suga and others can vouch for this.

Now this happened. What happened in between? Did some TTD user have some direct/indirect proof that Chen Chen's products are not genuine and made it known to the TTD moderators?

I want to make it clear that I have never bought any products from Chen Chen. However I do have a friend/coach from Beijing who was a former member of of Beijing team in the 90's and was a former training partner of Zhang Yining before she retired after 2008 Beijing Olympics. He sold me the replica of the W997 and told me it was a replica and some details about it. He also told me quite a few other things about the blade and I have circumstantial indirect evidence that Chen Chen is definitely very knowledgeable about these alleged DHS national products. Of course this doesn't prove that his products are genuine but then so far I haven't seen anything on the forum which suggests Chen Chen's products are fake.

Did something happen that we don't know about? Did Giangt unearth something? I suspect most of us accept the legal tenet "innocent until proven guilty" and so far there is no open direct/indirect evidence which I am aware of. Would like some justification from the TTD moderator team as to why this has all happened?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I think you guys are looking at this from the wrong perspective.

This will be a great benefit to Chen Chen if we can confirm that what he is offering is authentic.

If you saw the dialogue between Giang and Chen Chen, you would know that Chen has been more than uncooperative.

When Giang, fulfilling his role as the Equipment Sales Moderator, first asked Chen if he could help Giang to know that he is dealing authentic products, Chen's answer can basically be summarized as: "I am friends with Dan. I don't know you. I don't feel I need to answer."

After Dan told Chen he needs to help Giang know the products are authentic, he still did not answer and was more obscure and uncooperative.

He was actually also a bit rude to Giang who really is just trying to protect the forum and fulfill his role as the Moderator of the Forum's Equipment Sales Department.

All Chen has to do is work with Giang to figure out a way to get Giang to KNOW the products he obtains are AUTHENTIC.

That really should be simple. So far he has been the exact opposite of cooperative. In reading his responses, my assessment was that he was actually antagonistic.

But once he and Giang sort out together that his products are REAL, and not counterfeit, he will be reinstated and the TTDaily Staff will be able to assure that we have checked things out.

I can't see anyone who will benefit more from the process than Chen Chen once Giang has confirmed the authenticity of the products Chen is offering.

Is there anyone out there on the internet who sells DHS National Equipment that has the ability to say that the forum they are part of can CONFIRM the AUTHENTICITY of the products.

Won't that be a good thing for Chen and the people who buy from him.


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[Zaid323918]

Hi there, I am a little confused by this recent development. I remember only a couple of weeks ago there was another user (his username had "Road" in it somewhere) questioned the quality of Chen Chen's products in a thread and you posted a message something to the effect that Chen Chen has a good reputation on TTD and that people like TT4Life and Suga and others can vouch for this.

Now this happened. What happened in between? Did some TTD user have some direct/indirect proof that Chen Chen's products are not genuine and made it known to the TTD moderators?

I want to make it clear that I have never bought any products from Chen Chen. However I do have a friend/coach from Beijing who was a former member of of Beijing team in the 90's and was a former training partner of Zhang Yining before she retired after 2008 Beijing Olympics. He sold me the replica of the W997 and told me it was a replica and some details about it. He also told me quite a few other things about the blade and I have circumstantial indirect evidence that Chen Chen is definitely very knowledgeable about these alleged DHS national products. Of course this doesn't prove that his products are genuine but then so far I haven't seen anything on the forum which suggests Chen Chen's products are fake.

Did something happen that we don't know about? Did Giangt unearth something? I suspect most of us accept the legal tenet "innocent until proven guilty" and so far there is no open direct/indirect evidence which I am aware of. Would like some justification from the TTD moderator team as to why this has all happened?

The point being made here is that Chen Chen is not being cooperative in letting them know if his products are real. Is there any proof that his products are real? Let's say you want to start selling some expensive or rare products at someone elses store. Before allowing you the manager would do a background check to make sure your products are the real deal if you are going to advertise them as real. The last thing he wants is to find out that the products are fake and the buyers are being deceived. It makes the seller look bad. I makes the manager's store look bad. If Chen Chen's products are fake then he can keep selling them required everyone knows that what they're paying for is a fake or a replica.

 

[MegaZZ]

I think you guys are looking at this from the wrong perspective.

This will be a great benefit to Chen Chen if we can confirm that what he is offering is authentic.

If you saw the dialogue, you would know that Chen Chen has been more than uncooperative.

When Giang, as equipment sales monitor first asked Chen if he could help Giang to know that he is dealing authentic products, Chen's answer can basically be summarized as: "I am friends with Dan. I don't know you. I don't feel I need to answer."

After Dan told Chen he needs to help Giang know the products are authentic. He still did not answer and was more obscure.

He was actually also a bit rude to Giang who really is just trying to protect the forum and fulfill his role as the Moderator of the Forum's Equipment Sales Department.

All Chen has to do is work with Giang to figure out a way to get Giang to KNOW the products he obtains are AUTHENTIC.

That really should be simple. So far he has been the exact opposite of cooperative. In reading his responses, my assessment was that he was actually antagonistic.

But once he and Giang sort out together that his products are REAL, and not counterfeit, he will be reinstated and the TTDaily staff will be able to assure that we have checked things out.

I can't see anyone who will benefit more from the process than Chen Chen once Giang has confirmed the authenticity of the products Chen is offering.


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I can entirely understand the logic of what you are saying. However, I am in some doubt as to whether it's possible to really establish which DHS National blades are "genuine" and which are "replicas". The commonly accepted theory about DHS national products is that most "good replicas" are made in DHS, by the same people who are involved in the manufacturing of the test versions which ultimately become a "national product". Some replicas are made as test versions for testing by CNT players and then re-modified so to speak. So these replicas have been "used" by CNT players but not necessarily adopted as their main blade. Most of the replicas are made after a blade is adopted by a CNT player such as the W968 by Ma Long.

DHS as a company does not have a serial number check for their "national" products (no surprises as it is intended to be supplied to CNT team) and replicas also do not for obvious reasons. Therefore how do you verify beyond reasonable doubt that a "national" product is genuine? Also what proof does one have about "national" DHS rubbers?

I know it's mentioned above that Giangt has sources in CNT but in all honesty it would be well nigh impossible for anyone's source to track where all genuine "national" blades/rubbers have gone to. It's really asking to prove something which is well nigh impossible.

If the above argument seems unreasonable then I think one can argue that the selling of any high end table tennis equipment should be banned on TTD - similarly how can you prove definitely that which rubber is professional Tenergy version, which one is a custom made Stiga blade etc?

Given the current situation I would advocate that if any TTD seller can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that his products are real (whether DHS products or otherwise) then he should simply state so when selling it and let the buyer decide for himself. I think this type of "proof of authenticity" problem for a high end TT equipment seller is faced by many TTD sellers and not just Chen Chen. Perhaps there is also need to address these valid concerns with some TTD guidelines about sale of high end products i.e. concerning blades selling above $300 USD as an example or rubbers more than $100.

As for Chen Chen being uncooperative and rude when Giang contacted him, I entirely believe that may well be the case (obviously I am not privy to these communications and they should not be made public). Then he should be warned about forum etiquette. If the language/attitude is excessively unacceptable then a ban may be in order. I get the impression though that's not the reason for the ban from TTD though.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

my take:

Business is business
Chen Chen and TTD should sign an NDA
Chen Chen can share secret and should TTD leak these secrets, Chen Chen is liable for financial compensations etc
TTD can know that Chen Chen is an legitimate user

Remember, TTD is not ebay or alibaba, it is a TT forum
TTD has made titles to help the forums understand who are coaches, or equipment experts or professional players etc
I guess Chen Chen needs to provide evidence to continue using TTD platform to make business. It is only fair.
If he doesn't want, he can go start his own business website or use alibaba etc and he can be a forum member as an equipment expert which needs the Mods to acknowledge too.

Business is business

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

.....As for Chen Chen being uncooperative and rude when Giang contacted him, I entirely believe that may well be the case (obviously I am not privy to these communications and they should not be made public). Then he should be warned about forum etiquette. If the language/attitude is excessively unacceptable then a ban may be in order. I get the impression though that's not the reason for the ban from TTD though.

We have every reason to want to sort this out so Chen Chen can continue to be the valuable forum member he has been.

If you understand that the issue in question has been going on for a minimum of 3 weeks. Probably longer. And that Chen has become more and more uncooperative since Dan asked him to simply cooperate with Giang and find a way to make him understand the products are the real thing.

This would be very discrete and nobody's sources would be revealed and nobody would be outed. The concern has been that Chen's responses actually seem rather strange given that we have had every indication that his products seem to be legit to the people who have purchased from him through the website.

Are we asking for proof? No. We are asking for something that can make us confident that his source is legitimate.

Perhaps Giang should explain. But my understanding is that his sources in China should be able to help him know that Chen is on the up and up.

And again, all Chen Chen would need to do is cooperate with Giang.

We are not saying Chen's products are fake or real. All we are trying to do is make the forum safe and find out if we can be reasonably reassured that Chen is providing the real thing.


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[UpSideDownCarl]

my take:

Business is business
Chen Chen and TTD should sign an NDA
Chen Chen can share secret and should TTD leak these secrets, Chen Chen is liable for financial compensations etc
TTD can know that Chen Chen is an legitimate user

Remember, TTD is not ebay or alibaba, it is a TT forum
TTD has made titles to help the forums understand who are coaches, or equipment experts or professional players etc
I guess Chen Chen needs to provide evidence to continue using TTD platform to make business. It is only fair.
If he doesn't want, he can go start his own business website or use alibaba etc and he can be a forum member as an equipment expert which needs the Mods to acknowledge too.

Business is business

Great post. This is all this is about. And it really should go smoothly once Giang and Chen Chen get on the same page and start communicating.


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[Tommy Pradana]

Hello all,

Who is Giang? Can i get his post url? So i can read something from giang, i am newbe here... (Sad)

 

[Zaid323918]

Hello all,

Who is Giang? Can i get his post url? So i can read something from giang, i am newbe here... (Sad)

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/member.php?5118-Giangt

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Hello all,

Who is Giang? Can i get his post url? So i can read something from giang, i am newbe here... (Sad)

Giang is Giangt. He is part of the Moderator Team at TTDaily. He is in charge of the For Sale and Equipment departments of the forum. He is a good, solid, upright guy who is just trying to dot the i's and cross the t's so that TTDaily can say that we have kept our side of the bargain to protect the members of our forum.

Do a search for Giangt and you will find him. Enter the Equipment forum and click on the link that says, "post anything you want to sell" and you will see his rules for selling on the forum thread.

Easy to find him and easy to search the forum for his posts once you find the first one.

But, here:

TTD Guidelines and Rules when Selling or Buying Equipment:

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/...s-and-rules-when-selling-and-buying-equipment



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[tropical]

If Chen Chen is non co-operative he is in no position to argue with moderator's decision. Members can voice their opinions just like I do now. I agree with Giang's decision all the way.

 

[Baal]

my take:

Business is business
Chen Chen and TTD should sign an NDA
Chen Chen can share secret and should TTD leak these secrets, Chen Chen is liable for financial compensations etc
TTD can know that Chen Chen is an legitimate user

Remember, TTD is not ebay or alibaba, it is a TT forum
TTD has made titles to help the forums understand who are coaches, or equipment experts or professional players etc
I guess Chen Chen needs to provide evidence to continue using TTD platform to make business. It is only fair.
If he doesn't want, he can go start his own business website or use alibaba etc and he can be a forum member as an equipment expert which needs the Mods to acknowledge too.

Business is business

I am the moderator at MyTT for the For Sale section. Giangt and I cooperate often, and in fact he adopted many of the rules here that we have had over there for many years. As mods, our biggest job is to protect members. At a point, a lot of fake stuff was getting sold at MyTT and I took steps to put a stop to it. One thing that is a bit or a pain for people is having to post pictures of blades they sell because it more or less "crowd sources" identification of fake stuff.

I have no opinion on the stuff Chen Chen is selling, but I find him incredibly knowledgeable about DHS equipment and he provides a really valuable service to members, so I hope this will get worked out. Some sort of non-disclosure agreement might work.

My best guess it that Chen Chen is probably selling stuff that is legitimately what he says it is. The key word is GUESS.

But Tony is spot on. It is the thing I often have to tell people. TT forums are not e-bay or alibaba. We set conditions for buying and selling that are designed to protect people as best we can, and we make those rules because experience has shown that some small percentage of people who end up at our forums are going to have bad intentions. So I really have to come to the defense of the mods here. None of us get paid for this, we just love TT. We make the best decisions we can. The stuff we do we put a lot of thought into, and we do not like banning people, or getting in the way of business. I am not saying we get it right 100% of the time. But understand where we are coming from.

 

[Suga D]

I think you guys are looking at this from the wrong perspective.

This will be a great benefit to Chen Chen if we can confirm that what he is offering is authentic.

If you saw the dialogue between Giang and Chen Chen, you would know that Chen has been more than uncooperative.

When Giang, fulfilling his role as the Equipment Sales Moderator, first asked Chen if he could help Giang to know that he is dealing authentic products, Chen's answer can basically be summarized as: "I am friends with Dan. I don't know you. I don't feel I need to answer."

After Dan told Chen he needs to help Giang know the products are authentic, he still did not answer and was more obscure and uncooperative.

He was actually also a bit rude to Giang who really is just trying to protect the forum and fulfill his role as the Moderator of the Forum's Equipment Sales Department.

All Chen has to do is work with Giang to figure out a way to get Giang to KNOW the products he obtains are AUTHENTIC.

That really should be simple. So far he has been the exact opposite of cooperative. In reading his responses, my assessment was that he was actually antagonistic.

But once he and Giang sort out together that his products are REAL, and not counterfeit, he will be reinstated and the TTDaily Staff will be able to assure that we have checked things out.

I can't see anyone who will benefit more from the process than Chen Chen once Giang has confirmed the authenticity of the products Chen is offering.

Is there anyone out there on the internet who sells DHS National Equipment that has the ability to say that the forum they are part of can CONFIRM the AUTHENTICITY of the products.

Won't that be a good thing for Chen and the people who buy from him.


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EDITED: [SPEECHLESS] *smhd*

 

[MegaZZ]

I have read the above posts by UpSideDownCarl and others. The intentions from TTD moderator team are definitely good. It will be interesting to see how this will be sorted out. As I point outed above if Chen Chen is willing to disclose his source but Giangt is unable to confirm or challenge the legitimacy of his source then it will be quite tricky to sort out. I do agree that considering the high-end TT equipment prices and the well known fact that many so called "DHS national" equipment are either outright fakes or replicas (which may be high quality) Chen Chen has a responsibility to at least try to prove authenticity.

As a side note, there is another possible lateral thinking type solution to all these problems: one of the above posts mention Chen Chen claims to known Dan. Do they live in close proximity in the UK? Perhaps Chen Chen and Dan can get together and then Dan can do a random batch sampling of Chen Chen's goods and make a video review of these selected national DHS blades/rubbers. That would be great for everybody!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

No matter how you try to twist this, it's some big BS. Nothing more nothing less!
Chen Chen has showed me the whole correspondence between him and Giang. I think Dan has received a copy as well, so let's wait and see what he says.
I even saw where he describes his source, and that his source doesn't want to be mentioned.
Again: proving genuinity and asking who is the source are two completely different things and insisting on this will only help to dry out the source if he feels the goons are after him.

So thanks and congrats. Keep on, if you want to be drying out one of my sources and hope that karma better *never* turns around on you!

From my personal perspective it looks as if Giang's jealous, 'cause his thread with his Sanwei F3 doesn't receive the same attention as the thread of Chen's W968, but that might just be my personal opinion.
And you guys are behaving like some goon-squad investigators.


Anyway Chen has left to Shanghai now, so he won't be able to fulfill Giang's request atm

Its simple, TTD is not ebay or alibaba
follow the rules or make your profits else where.
TTD is also not a charity organisation
TTD doesn't profit from it.
Ive seen problems arise from other forums, so if you feel that TTD is unfair, then start your own TT selling forum and get the likes of Chen Chen and all other sellers to sell on your platform

It is that simple

TTD don't need to owe any explanation to any one

Your view on one of the mods being jealous..... thats funny
You know, people have life beyond table tennis, I doubt any sane person would be jealous or emotion regarding such petty thing - my thread has less attention...oh no,,,, its the end of the world...........

 

[Suga D]

Its simple, TTD is not ebay or alibaba
follow the rules or make your profits else where.
TTD is also not a charity organisation
TTD doesn't profit from it.
Ive seen problems arise from other forums, so if you feel that TTD is unfair, then start your own TT selling forum and get the likes of Chen Chen and all other sellers to sell on your platform

It is that simple

TTD don't need to owe any explanation to any one

Your view on one of the mods being jealous..... thats funny
You know, people have life beyond table tennis, I doubt any sane person would be jealous or emotion regarding such petty thing - my thread has less attention...oh no,,,, its the end of the world...........

Funny, you shouldn't be able to see my post in the first place, so where did you get this from, since i've already edited it last night?? Are you trying to tell me you wrote this last night and just sent it??
Hahaha, more behind-the-back moves here? I hope you don't expect me to post Giang's pm to me now, do ya?
[Emoji13]
Anyways, since both threads are sales threads i don't think my assumption looks very farfetched.
But as i said, that's just my personal opinion and since there's freedom of speech, i can speak my mind as much as i want. No need for you to worry about. Especially after i've already edited it a while ago.

Anyhow the forum rules state nowhere that one must reveal the source where the equipment is from, so this all looks very dishonest and arbitrary from my point of view.
If TTD or respective GiangT doesn't appreciate Chen Chen selling his goods then they should just tell him directly instead of coming up with arbitrary looking rule changes and hiding behind this dishonesty, 'cause this doesn't make anyone look too good in my book.

Would be really nice, if Dan wouldn't remain silent anymore.

 

[Suga D]

... It will be interesting to see how this will be sorted out. As I point outed above if Chen Chen is willing to disclose his source but Giangt is unable to confirm or challenge the legitimacy of his source then it will be quite tricky to sort out. I do agree that considering the high-end TT equipment prices and the well known fact that many so called "DHS national" equipment are either outright fakes or replicas (which may be high quality) Chen Chen has a responsibility to at least try to prove authenticity.

This makes totally sense.

As a side note, there is another possible lateral thinking type solution to all these problems: one of the above posts mention Chen Chen claims to known Dan. Do they live in close proximity in the UK? Perhaps Chen Chen and Dan can get together and then Dan can do a random batch sampling of Chen Chen's goods and make a video review of these selected national DHS blades/rubbers. That would be great for everybody!

That would be really great. Me and whole bunch of others would welcome this and appreciate it deeply.