German Open 2019

[Sali]

Xu xin looks really exhausted. I think they lut him in too many matches. Doubles xdoubles week by week. He is not 20 years old anymore

 

[v100ev]

With due respect to both players, I think it was Jun that bottled the win rather than Timo that created his 'magic', Jun kept going for those long serves and attacks combos that Timo read very well and always made Jun out of position, I guess the pressure was a lot but Jun didn't vary anything at all in those last 10 points, It was as if Timo had gotten into his head, was kinda depressing

I think Timo ripped a couple of shots.. And continued playing the shots stronger cause he had nothing to loose. And those went in and then they went in Jun's head

 

[JesperStef]

Results from Day 4 (Fri 11 October 2019):

Men's Singles

Round of 16:

[1] Xu Xin 4:2 Lee Sangsu [15] (11:7, 9:11, 11:7, 11:3, 10:12, 11:9)
Yan An 4:3 Hugo Calderano [5] (8:11, 11:9, 8:11, 7:11, 13:11, 11:7, 11:8)

Jeoung Youngsik 4:3 Koki Niwa [9] (11:6, 7:11, 11:8, 9:11, 9:11, 11:9, 11:8)
[13] Patrick Franziska 4:1 Lin Gaoyuan [3] (11:5, 11:6, 9:11, 11:7, 11:9)

[4] Tomokazu Harimoto 4:1 Vladimir Samsonov (11:2, 11:7, 11:5, 9:11, 11:6)
[7] Liang Jingkun 4:1 Yu Ziyang (11:5, 12:10, 4:11, 11:5, 11:4)

[6] Timo Boll 4:3 Jun Mizutani [11] (8:11, 11:9, 11:6, 11:4, 7:11, 9:11, 12:10)
[2] Fan Zhendong 4:2 Wang Chuqin (9:11, 11:4, 11:6, 13:11, 11:13, 14:12)


Women's Singles

Round of 16:

[9] Feng Tianwei 4:0 Chen Meng [1] (11:6, 11:2, 11:4, 11:8)
Shan Xiaona, GER 4:0 Hitomi Sato [14] (11:9, 11:7, 11:7, 12:10)

Yang Xiaoxin, MON 4:1 Kasumi Ishikawa [5] (7:11, 11:8, 11:9, 14:12, 15:13)
[4] Mima Ito 4:2 Qian Tianyi (11:6, 11:7, 9:11, 11:8, 10:12, 11:7)

[3] Sun Yingsha 4:0 Olga Vorobeva (11:7, 11:6, 11:2, 11:4)
[10] Chen Xingtong 4:1 Miyu Kato (9:11, 11:7, 11:8, 11:8, 11:8)

Wang Yidi 4:0 Zhang Rui (11:9, 11:6, 11:8, 11:7)
[2] Wang Manyu 4:1 Jeon Jihee (11:3, 11:6, 9:11, 11:7, 11:7)


Men's Doubles

Quarter-finals:

[8] Chen Chien-An/Chuang Chih-Yuan 3:2 Liao Cheng-Ting/Lin Yun-Ju [1] (11:5, 9:11, 9:11, 11:7, 11:7)
Benedikt Duda/Dang Qiu 3:1 Jang Woojin/Jeoung Youngsik [3] (9:11, 11:8, 11:4, 11:6)

[5] Liang Jingkun/Xu Xin 3:1 Ovidiu Ionescu/Alvaro Robles [4] (10:12, 11:9, 11:3, 11:4)
[2] Fan Zhendong/Lin Gaoyuan 3:1 Timo Boll/Patrick Franziska [6] (11:9, 12:10, 9:11, 11:5)


Semi-finals:

Benedikt Duda/Dang Qiu 3:2 Chen Chien-An/Chuang Chih-Yuan [8] (11:3, 13:11, 8:11, 8:11, 11:6)
[5] Liang Jingkun/Xu Xin 3:2 Fan Zhendong/Lin Gaoyuan [2] (9:11, 12:10, 11:8, 8:11, 11:9)


Women's Doubles

Quarter-finals:

Chen Szu-Yu/Cheng Hsien-Tzu 3:2 Sun Yingsha/Wang Manyu [1] (11:9, 12:10, 3:11, 6:11, 11:7)
[4] Jeon Jihee/Yang Haeun 3:1 Sofia Polcanova/Bernadette Szocs (11:7, 11:6, 6:11, 11:8)

[3] Chen Meng/Gu Yuting 3:0 Nina Mittelham/Petrissa Solja [8] (11:6, 11:9, 11:8)
[2] Miyuu Kihara/Miyu Nagasaki 3:1 Ng Wing Nam/Minnie Soo Wai Yam [7] (15:17, 11:9, 11:8, 11:7)


Semi-finals:

[4] Jeon Jihee/Yang Haeun 3:0 Chen Szu-Yu/Cheng Hsien-Tzu (11:5, 11:7, 11:9)
[2] Miyuu Kihara/Miyu Nagasaki 3:2 Chen Meng/Gu Yuting [3] (11:5, 11:9, 10:12, 9:11, 11:6)


Mixed Doubles

Quarter-finals:

[1] Wong Chun Ting/Doo Hoi Kem 3:1 Tomokazu Harimoto/Hina Hayata (9:11, 11:9, 11:8, 11:9)
Wang Chuqin/Wang Manyu 3:0 Lubomir Pistej/Barbora Balazova [4] (11:9, 11:9, 12:10)

Xu Xin/Sun Yingsha 3:1 Jun Mizutani/Mima Ito [3] (11:5, 11:13, 11:7, 11:9)
[2] Lin Yun-Ju/Cheng I-Ching 3:0 Lee Sangsu/Jeon Jihee [7] (11:5, 11:4, 11:9)


Semi-finals:

Wang Chuqin/Wang Manyu 3:1 Wong Chun Ting/Doo Hoi Kem [1] (11:13, 11:8, 11:7, 11:7)
Xu Xin/Sun Yingsha 3:0 Lin Yun-Ju/Cheng I-Ching [2] (13:11, 11:6, 11:3)


Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5011/2019/2019-ittf-world-tour-german-open/

 

[JesperStef]

Apparently this guy is Mizutani’s new coach?

https://twitter.com/gcfoerster

Maybe some of you German forum members know who he is?

 

[Garrison]

With due respect to both players, I think it was Jun that bottled the win rather than Timo that created his 'magic', Jun kept going for those long serves and attacks combos that Timo read very well and always made Jun out of position, I guess the pressure was a lot but Jun didn't vary anything at all in those last 10 points, It was as if Timo had gotten into his head, was kinda depressing

Players with such a lead tend to lose some % of concentration and hope for easy balls. That loss is enough for Boll to not make any more mistakes.

 

[Garrison]

Also, super important win for FZD over WCQ.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Apparently this guy is Mizutani’s new coach?

https://twitter.com/gcfoerster

Maybe some of you German forum members know who he is?

I've seen GC in Japan. I talked a bit to the guy and IIRC he's not a pro, but plays at a National level in Germany, and he was working in Japan at a rubber maker (ENS ?). I've actually seen him play a few times in amateur tournaments here in Japan and he was doing very well !

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

@zeio

LGL and his players always say they are a real team.

so I have a question

When the CNT tier2 players play against TH, JM, Ito or Ishikawa...
do they always play their "natural" game , or do they always try new tactics - decided on purpose by the main CNT coach [not just that player's coach] - that would suit more the main CNT players (not necessarily the player on the pitch) for their benefit in future matches ?

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

I'm convinced the organizers heard the online complaints about not being able to see the ball.
Earlier in the day, the ball is very difficult to see:

Then, after numerous complaints:

So I have to give them some credit for that.

 

[Ilia Minkin]

Why can't we have more footage like this from the events? I think a lot of folks will be willing to pay for it.

 

[Ilia Minkin]

Apparently this guy is Mizutani’s new coach?

https://twitter.com/gcfoerster

Maybe some of you German forum members know who he is?

Somebody guessed it was Mark Zuckerberg.

 

[drunix80]

Also, super important win for FZD over WCQ.

This match was absolutely insane. Incredible exchanges. Glad FZD made it through !!

 

[Hysteresis]

This match was absolutely insane. Incredible exchanges. Glad FZD made it through !!

Hmm I've just watched that match, and despite it being quite spectacular, i'm even more worried for FZD.

FZD was still incredibly passive during the early parts of each rally. Overwhelmingly, it was WCQ who successfully initiated the attack. FZD just 'got away with it' because he is insanely good on the counter attack game.

A couple of years ago I feel like FZD's style was incredibly similar to WCQ's now, (not in terms of their strokes because they have very differently shaped bodies), but in terms of timing/rythm. It seems like FZD was simply much better with that style than now.

FZD needs to stop being so passive, he's not Ma Long, he's not actually coming out with the first attack in these exchanges against high quality opponents. I hope these big wins don't further entrench him into what seems like a dead end.

 

[drunix80]

Hmm I've just watched that match, and despite it being quite spectacular, i'm even more worried for FZD.

FZD was still incredibly passive during the early parts of each rally. Overwhelmingly, it was WCQ who successfully initiated the attack. FZD just 'got away with it' because he is insanely good on the counter attack game.

A couple of years ago I feel like FZD's style was incredibly similar to WCQ's now, (not in terms of their strokes because they have very differently shaped bodies), but in terms of timing/rythm. It seems like FZD was simply much better with that style than now.

FZD needs to stop being so passive, he's not Ma Long, he's not actually coming out with the first attack in these exchanges against high quality opponents. I hope these big wins don't further entrench him into what seems like a dead end.

FZD was egged on by everyone to be a more complete player rather than the one-dimensional player who could never get past ML. In the process, he tweaked his game. He is trying to play a high percentage game, improving his defence and going for full power on sure shot kills. In the long run, if he gets it right , it might be actually beneficial for FZD.

 

[zeio]

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

its cool to see that those players are humans and can talk (in interviews) but alas there's not much to get from them apart from their emotions

They always keep their tactics for them. Its natural they don't wanna tell the other guys exactly what they did. But for thats also the most interesting thing for us viewers

 

[Hysteresis]

FZD was egged on by everyone to be a more complete player rather than the one-dimensional player who could never get past ML. In the process, he tweaked his game. He is trying to play a high percentage game, improving his defence and going for full power on sure shot kills. In the long run, if he gets it right , it might be actually beneficial for FZD.

In the very long run, maybe. But currently he stands to lose any chance of an oympic singles spot in Tokyo. And this passive style is not yielding results.

Sure,,it would be great to add another tool to his arsenal, but currently, it's not something that can be relied on. The point of the short control game is to grab the first strong attack, but unlike Ma Long, FZD is getting stuck in these incredibly long short touch rallies, at the end of which, his opponent is more often getting the first attack than he is.

Ma Long has the benefit of the better part of a decade's experience, including much more experience against players of an era for whom this style of close table game was the norm. ML gets out of these rallies much quicker, and much more to his favour. I'm not saying FZD shouldn't improve his short touch game, but changing his short game around a clearly insufficient version of it less than a year out from the Olympics is... bizarre.

 

[zeio]

@zeio

LGL and his players always say they are a real team.

so I have a question

When the CNT tier2 players play against TH, JM, Ito or Ishikawa...
do they always play their "natural" game , or do they always try new tactics - decided on purpose by the main CNT coach [not just that player's coach] - that would suit more the main CNT players (not necessarily the player on the pitch) for their benefit in future matches ?

On the macro level, they have developed a database of profiling for all the players that pose a major threat. Usually they'd start off by gathering game stats from all the matches, especially the ones they lose, and figure out the reason behind the loss, like technical, tactical, physical, mental or whatever? They'd then patch it up and have the training partners imitate the said players. In the mean time, on the micro level, they'd have coaches and staff digest the game stats, look for loopholes and come up with specific countermeasures and suggestions. These are then compiled into some sort of "playthrough" that coaches and players follow in future encounters. They then improve and extend on it as necessary. Typically, they do that only before the Olympics and WTTC since it takes a lot of time and manpower. IIRC, for Beijing 2008, they even started giving players "會診", which is some sort of psychological counseling to help players prepare, identify potential issues, offset pressure, the whole 9 yards.

 

[Ilia Minkin]

 

[zeio]

its cool to see that those players are humans and can talk (in interviews) but alas there's not much to get from them apart from their emotions

They always keep their tactics for them. Its natural they don't wanna tell the other guys exactly what they did. But for thats also the most interesting thing for us viewers

There's not much to gain from short interviews. But after subbing them for a year, I still got something useful out of certain players. Say LSW, Gu Yuting, and now Qian Tianyi have all mentioned on separate occasions that Ito is very smart in calculating the serve and attack, when to take risk and go for the kill when it gets tight, which is something my idol utterly lacks. I've never heard them say anything like that for Ishikawa.