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With all respect I disagree with him on a topic of what rubbers newbies should be playing with.

I can do topspins perfrectly well with Kokutaku rubbers which cost nothing. May be it's less spin, less speed than hurricane/tenergy, but new players definitely shouln't be wasting so much money on a pro equipment.

Plus, upgrading from cheap Chinese rubbers to hurricane would be seamless in the future if the person is passionate and has proper coaching.
 
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With all respect I disagree with him on a topic of what rubbers newbies should be playing with.

I can do topspins perfrectly well with Kokutaku rubbers which cost nothing. May be it's less spin, less speed than hurricane/tenergy, but new players definitely shouln't be wasting so much money on a pro equipment.

That's more or less how I understood him. Some quotes from the video: "... just use good rubbers from the very start and learn how to use it there's no need to start with basic rubbers and then work your way up doesn't work... I want my players to topspin properly right really topspin properly learn to actually use a racket that's of high quality and learn to control it... with that being said find an equipment every blade every rubber as long as it's good enough quality is going to have its pros and cons live with it find with one one that you like that is good enough it's like hey it's like friends right..."

Just don't use classic rubbers like the Sriver 1) he mentioned just some good enough rubbers and a good enough blade. It makes no sense to learn to topspin with these classic rubbers today and then relearn to topspin with a modern rubber or even add another relearning phase with some intermediate rubbers as some coaches recommend.

1) I made a brief test with Stiga Mendos a couple of years back. It was a PITA to play with, even speed glued. These old rubbers are simply not good enough for today's plastic balls.

Plus, upgrading from cheap Chinese rubbers to hurricane would be seamless in the future if the person is passionate and has proper coaching.

Agreed although I don't know every cheap Chinese rubbers ;)
 
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With all respect I disagree with him on a topic of what rubbers newbies should be playing with.

I can do topspins perfrectly well with Kokutaku rubbers which cost nothing. May be it's less spin, less speed than hurricane/tenergy, but new players definitely shouln't be wasting so much money on a pro equipment.

Plus, upgrading from cheap Chinese rubbers to hurricane would be seamless in the future if the person is passionate and has proper coaching.
He is not saying to use expensive equipment, he is saying to learn to use modern equipment to learn from the start, rather than using outdated equipment like Mark V or Sriver or Mendo and then changing to boosted DHS/ Spring sponge Butterfly/fast ESN after a few years. There are now introductory/slower lines in DHS/Spring Sponge Butterfly and basic ESN that are better to use than the outdated traditional rubbers.
 
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Very good video. I watched it from the beginning to the end. A few comments.

It is funny that he wants to start people on ESN and Butterfly rubber, along with Hurricane (boosted) but yet does not want to start people on Sriver EL (he specifically mentioned that) and say Mark V. His reasoning is that people want to be boss at the table (hit winners with Tenergy 05 on both sides) and you will have to change the stroke later.

I don't agree with that. I have seen so many beginners keep on hitting the ball out when they were set up with Viscaria and Tenergy on both sides. I don't think those beginners truly feel that they are the "boss" and "own the table." Instead they just look frustrated.

If someone wants to use Viscaria with Tenergy 05 on both sides just too look cool, I get it. But they are not going to stay in the sport for long.

I am a big proponent for slower blade with classic rubbers in the beginning before upgrading.

He just contradicts himself when he says hurricane is fine as though if you switch from hurricane to Tenergy later you won't need to modify your stroke.

I really do think that he does not understand adult "beginners" and that market/target audience very well.

Otherwise, the rest of the video is fun to listen to. His opinion is only his opinion. There are many many opinions out there and they are all equally valid.
 
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Well recommending Hurricane and Tenergy, that may be out of line. But there are many rubbers, that could be considered good enough. Even Werner Schlager recommended using rubbers like Rozena and Glayzer from the start, just with a slower blade, and then changing to faster blades. These rubbers also come in 1.9 thickness, same as Bluestorm, Baracude, etc. Srivers are hard, inflexible, and without dynamics, I´ve seen a lot of players, good players, playing with Sriver till 3-4 years back with a plastic ball, with back pain and strange technique, to get the ball on the other side. Then they changed to modern rubbers.
 
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So I have had this discussion or something like it in various contexts with many people. While some might consider this a "strawman" argument, let's remember that there was a time when backhand topspin/looping was considered a stroke for advanced players and wasn't really taught learners to players (forehand as well, but let's leave that aside). The idea was that you need to learn to hit, and then graduate to topspin after a prolonged period of hitting with high consistency. And that if you never learned to topspin and only mastered hitting, that was okay. Some coaches even make students continue hitting for a six-month prolonged period before going to topspin. However, many modern coaches do teach modest hitting and blocking and then move on to topspin as early as possible once basic blocking and hitting consistency has being achieved if in a week or a less than a month.

Starting with a somewhat slower blade, I can understand the rationale for, but that has side effects as well at the extremes. The main rationale for starting with slower equipment is that it is hard for people to control the ball with feeling if they only use stuff that doesn't have much vibration. This is true, but the flipside is whether they are getting any coaching or training in learning how to feel and control the ball and whether they are spending time mastering this at all in situations not under high pressure. Because a lot of people who play just end up forming habits based on how they play and try to win points without trying to go through the process of range training (learning to hit the ball at different speeds and adjust to different incoming speeds and spins by adjusting body position, grip pressure, racket angle etc.) so that they can truly master their equipment. This all happens over time, and it is easy to conclude that because the player cannot do it on day 1, it is a result of the equipment and not a result of the lack of instruction. Sometimes, neither the coach or the player gives themselves room to learn through failure and adjustment. The player wants to hit great topspins from day 1 and if he isn't hitting great topspins, he feels like a loser. Rather than embracing the learning process and knowing that missing can be important feedback as well.

With traditional rubbers, you can block better for sure maybe as a beginner, but does this kind of blocking better really help you when you switch to Tenergy and try to block the same way and find the ball going sky high? Isn't it better, if a player has a coach, to just use the Tenergy and then get taught how to think through and adjust the feeling to master the blocking process?

Again, when I point these ideas out (and ironically as someone who has been a huge defender and fan of slower equipment in the past), I get flack from people who just can't break themselves off from the old school ways of doing things. I also think that there are multiple paths to developing a good player. Many good sponge TT players at the higher levels are good hardbat players even when they mostly play with sponge because the athleticism tends to translate well. The issue is not whether you can create a good player having them start out with slower equipment for a significant period of time. The question is whether it is best to put a player through a prolonged period of using older traditional material if their goal is ultimately to learn the modern game with spin and inverted rubbers. And if it is a good idea, what exactly are they getting from the use of older traditional material that cannot be gotten with good coaching using tensioned, sponged rubber on offensive rackets?

That I think is Heming's point and that is what I think should be discussed to understand his argument fairly. Not pointing at the fact that many players cannot play with modern sponged rackets (many people cannot drive fast cars fast and safely either), but whether it is best to develop a good driver of fast cars by
1) starting them out with a fast car that they should drive slowly and get better with exercises, or
2) start them out with a slow car and expect that if they master the slow car, the skills developed will transfer to driving a fast car with significant benefits in the long term.
 
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So I have had this discussion or something like it in various contexts with many people. While some might consider this a "strawman" argument, let's remember that there was a time when backhand topspin/looping was considered a stroke for advanced players and wasn't really taught learners to players (forehand as well, but let's leave that aside). The idea was that you need to learn to hit, and then graduate to topspin after a prolonged period of hitting with high consistency. And that if you never learned to topspin and only mastered hitting, that was okay. Some coaches even make students continue hitting for a six-month prolonged period before going to topspin. However, many modern coaches do teach modest hitting and blocking and then move on to topspin as early as possible once basic blocking and hitting consistency has being achieved if in a week or a less than a month.

Starting with a somewhat slower blade, I can understand the rationale for, but that has side effects as well at the extremes. The main rationale for starting with slower equipment is that it is hard for people to control the ball with feeling if they only use stuff that doesn't have much vibration. This is true, but the flipside is whether they are getting any coaching or training in learning how to feel and control the ball and whether they are spending time mastering this at all in situations not under high pressure. Because a lot of people who play just end up forming habits based on how they play and try to win points without trying to go through the process of range training (learning to hit the ball at different speeds and adjust to different incoming speeds and spins by adjusting body position, grip pressure, racket angle etc.) so that they can truly master their equipment. This all happens over time, and it is easy to conclude that because the player cannot do it on day 1, it is a result of the equipment and not a result of the lack of instruction. Sometimes, neither the coach or the player gives themselves room to learn through failure and adjustment. The player wants to hit great topspins from day 1 and if he isn't hitting great topspins, he feels like a loser. Rather than embracing the learning process and knowing that missing can be important feedback as well.

With traditional rubbers, you can block better for sure maybe as a beginner, but does this kind of blocking better really help you when you switch to Tenergy and try to block the same way and find the ball going sky high? Isn't it better, if a player has a coach, to just use the Tenergy and then get taught how to think through and adjust the feeling to master the blocking process?

Again, when I point these ideas out (and ironically as someone who has been a huge defender and fan of slower equipment in the past), I get flack from people who just can't break themselves off from the old school ways of doing things. I also think that there are multiple paths to developing a good player. Many good sponge TT players at the higher levels are good hardbat players even when they mostly play with sponge because the athleticism tends to translate well. The issue is not whether you can create a good player having them start out with slower equipment for a significant period of time. The question is whether it is best to put a player through a prolonged period of using older traditional material if their goal is ultimately to learn the modern game with spin and inverted rubbers. And if it is a good idea, what exactly are they getting from the use of older traditional material that cannot be gotten with good coaching using tensioned, sponged rubber on offensive rackets?

That I think is Heming's point and that is what I think should be discussed to understand his argument fairly. Not pointing at the fact that many players cannot play with modern sponged rackets (many people cannot drive fast cars fast and safely either), but whether it is best to develop a good driver of fast cars by
1) starting them out with a fast car that they should drive slowly and get better with exercises, or
2) start them out with a slow car and expect that if they master the slow car, the skills developed will transfer to driving a fast car with significant benefits in the long term.
Good post. Let me jump in with my opinions:

1) My Chinese coach growing up was exactly like that. I was taught to hit for 6 months to a year. Then when my coach taught me how to loop, that was a big deal. It was like that with all junior players he and his wife coached (I actually had two coaches, husband and wife team). Do I agree with that nowadays? No. I think looping should be taught earlier. But they were old school.

2) However, looping requires much more sensitivity and touch than hitting. So why would anyone start with Tenergy? Were people not able to loop with Sriver or Mark V back in the days? Even without speed glue, I am sure Waldner could put a lot of spins on the ball with Mark V. People were able to loop left and right with the classic rubber. Honestly I like Mark V. The top sheet of Mark V is very grippy. That rubber also lasts forever.

When you loop, you have to learn to brush the ball and the longer the contact between the ball and the top sheet/sponge the better! That is how you can "feel" what it means to loop and "carry the ball" over the net, so to speak. When you teach looping with Tenergy, the ball flies off. What kind of loop is that? All the adult beginners at my club who are set up with Viscaria plus Tenergy 05 on both look like they are "hitting" and not looping. After all, when you touch the ball, and the ball flies right off the bat, that is HITTING. Looping is to brush the ball and like I said, "carry the ball" over the net to the other side. How one can develop that feeling using Viscaria and Tenergy 05 from the get-go is beyond me?

3) Short games. It is easier to develop short games with Sriver and Mark V, similar to Hurricane. It is very hard to develop short games with Viscaria plus double side Tenergy 05. Let us assume adult beginners do not have the same touch and feel that a 7 year old beginners might have, then the former should start with Sriver, Mark V or Hurricane basically.

4) I think Heming Hu 100% does not understand who "adult beginners" are. My background is that I started playing at the age of 13. So I was not 6 nor I was 18 when I started. I feel like I was right in the middle and can see both sides of the story. Meaning, I could see how a coach should train a 6 year old completely different than an 18 year old or a 35 year old beginners. Heming Hu most likely started playing very young. He does not understand how the sport feels and looks like to a 35 year old adult beginner. It is like ZJK's recent coaching videos about forehand loops, etc. I cringe especially when they say to "snap" your wrist. Come on. The wrist is the worst thing you can ask an adult beginner to move when hitting the ball. When you start fooling around the wrist too early while teaching an adult beginner, the ball will fly all over the place. You should start teaching with the elbow moving, then adding waist movement, then adding shoulder movement, and then adding weight transfer from the back leg to the front leg. Finally you add wrist movement at the very end.

I get it. Fang Bo, ZJK, etc. are all professional players who started playing when they were 5 or 6. They do not know how to teach adult beginners. But yet their training videos are the most popular videos on YouTube! So every newbie wants to play like that.

Let us go back. Can you imagine a 40 year old table tennis player, who started receiving formal coaching 3 months ago, get seduced by these videos and start imitating every single point made in those videos? It is a disaster waiting to happen.

They really need to be a decent speed 5-ply wood and start with Sriver or Mark V or Hurricane.

5) However, if you have a 5 year old or 6 year old start playing, I can see how starting with Viscaria and thinner Rozena sheets makes sense. I can see how you can skip Sriver or Mark V.

6) Starting with Sriver or Mark V with adult beginners really is a faster way to get them better, fast. The coach should then monitor the players carefully to see when they should switch to tensor rubbers. A loop is a loop. Going from Mark V to Rozena requires you to change the racket angle. But the feeling is still the same. The principle is still the same. It is like going from Hurricane 3 to Tenergy 05, you also need to change the racket angle. But the principle of looping with Hurricane 3 and Tenergy 05 is still the same.
 
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I think slower, less spiny rubbers honing attacking skills by more user effort,
making easier defend with more toleration, which may dull defensive skills by laziness.

Faster, more spiny rubbers may help in attack, hinder attack development by hesitation or automatic spin/speed.
At same concept, it makes harder to defend, may challenge and improve defensive capabilities.

I’ve seen some decent players with whole wrong techniques using slower setup which helps to

It seems two different approach. Both can help to improve player, also both can slow down progress according to training and technique, its up to players, their coaches, and training style and conditions.
 
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Starting with Sriver or Mark V with adult beginners really is a faster way to get them better, fast. The coach should then monitor the players carefully to see when they should switch to tensor rubbers. A loop is a loop. Going from Mark V to Rozena requires you to change the racket angle. But the feeling is still the same.
Someone should remind them to change rubbers before they turn into an antispin and they end up with just pushing the ball
 
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As with everything, everyone is different!! Especially with adult learners and to an extent young beginners.

What I do know about the 'old school' rubbers such as Mark V, Sriver and Tackiness, is that they don't have the same performance as modern rubbers.

Mr Hu made a comment about H3- 'un-boosted, its unplayable' Put into context it's unplayable for HIM!!!!
Un-boosted H3 is playable, but it may not promote the type of shot mechanics HE wants to see. On the flip side boosted T05 may not promote the type of shot mechanics that are desired as well.
It's swings and roundabouts, some things are good for player A and others for player B.

Mr Hu also mentioned that his last sheet of blue sponge H3 was ' made for him' which as a Pro (at that time) was important to him, having a rubber made for you, and it seems the that Pro's get this treatment, is in fact the most EJing thing out there!!!

I get NL's side of things and JJ's, Neither are right or wrong. to start with both is possible, to start with something in the middle is possible, the main thing is to start somewhere and then assess the player to see what would/could benefit them the most.
 
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I think slower, less spiny rubbers honing attacking skills by more user effort,
making easier defend with more toleration, which may dull defensive skills by laziness.

Faster, more spiny rubbers may help in attack, hinder attack development by hesitation or automatic spin/speed.
At same concept, it makes harder to defend, may challenge and improve defensive capabilities.

I’ve seen some decent players with whole wrong techniques using slower setup which helps to

It seems two different approach. Both can help to improve player, also both can slow down progress according to training and technique, its up to players, their coaches, and training style and conditions.
The key is the coaching. Ultimately, if the player isn't bring tested with the right experiences and isn't adapting to their equipment, it won't matter. But people often focus on what happens at the start of the process and not on what happens over time. I am an adult learner and started playing tournament TT after the age of 30. I spent a lot of time EJing. I thought a lot of fellow adult players were using stuff that was too fast. Two things affected my position. One was getting coaching with a focus on range training and adaptation. The other was the new plastic ball.

Ultimately, it is not a big deal for adult learners to use modern equipment as long as they are given the right instruction on how to adapt. As everyone has pointed out, faster equipment while making some things harder also makes some things easier. A good coach will find exercises to make it all work.

Obviously some equipment can be much stiffer than the natural feeling of the player. But this is something to be discovered not something to be assumed. Everything is a matter of time and technique (leaving mental processinf aside for a bit).
 
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Good to point out, there's a lot of room in the realm of "modern equipment". Rakza 7 is no Dignics 05, Glayzer 09C is no Dignics 09C, but it's all in the realm of "modern rubber".
As for blades... I think starting with an ALL blade doesn't work to create an allround game anymore. Yes, you can get the basics down with it, but you'll never develop a powerful game unless you switch to more powerful equipment.

While I do agree that starting with modern rubber immediately brings quite a learning curve, I also think it's something that can be overcome especially with training more often, as well as the grinding mindset that is sometimes attributed to the Chinese. Work, and result will come.
With that in mind, starting out with proper equipment will definitely come out stronger in the long run. While for a mentality that needs to see quick results, playing with more accessible equipment is a more beneficial route.
The problem of making that switch later on is real as well. How many times have we seen threads about people switching to faster setups and simply losing interest in the game? It's a switch that shouldn't be underestimated. Players think they can at least stay on their current level, while in reality more often than not there will be a step back. All in all, the switch poses a real risk.
 
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The key is the coaching. Ultimately, if the player isn't bring tested with the right experiences and isn't adapting to their equipment, it won't matter. But people often focus on what happens at the start of the process and not on what happens over time. I am an adult learner and started playing tournament TT after the age of 30. I spent a lot of time EJing. I thought a lot of fellow adult players were using stuff that was too fast. Two things affected my position. One was getting coaching with a focus on range training and adaptation. The other was the new plastic ball.

Ultimately, it is not a big deal for adult learners to use modern equipment as long as they are given the right instruction on how to adapt. As everyone has pointed out, faster equipment while making some things harder also makes some things easier. A good coach will find exercises to make it all work.

Obviously some equipment can be much stiffer than the natural feeling of the player. But this is something to be discovered not something to be assumed. Everything is a matter of time and technique (leaving mental processinf aside for a bit).
+1, agree

for my case: I've started primo carbon + speed glued bryce + hurricane back than, It was good while I was getting regular training, then after break, I've started again at new club.
I and other people thought my equipment was very fast so I'm making mistakes. I've slowed down until the bottom, unboosted h3 + 5ply allround blade, so I started control ball but my spins were not effective, speed was lacking so I bought faster equipments and then go back to slower ones, so on for years.
Lately I'm getting training again, I've realised my technique was not decent. All timing, footwork, position, contact etc are wrong. Then with correct movements, I've surprised how easier to control even with faster setup. (It's even possible to drop short topspin ball with a Tenergy)

For another case I've observed: in clubs there are people with slower setups without proper training background, with some expertise and sense of game, they are able to manage land ball in the table, and with some patience they crush hot-heated younger players. But when I see them play against with good players, they stuck. Because their returned balls are high, not spinny, slow, not well placed etc. So better players are just smashing their defence. Or their attack control is solemly depends on slower equipment and long-learned experience, when they start to attack to spinny, deep, fast balls they do more and more mistakes.
On score papers and fields, they are decent players at club but stuck on some level.

Let's say trying to merely push a topspin ball like under-spin ball is a clear mistake, maybe a slower rubber can tolerate and the ball may land on table, instead a Tenergy would make the ball fly off to roof. But with slower rubber still the ball would have less quality and give a great opportunity to better opponent.

It seem like abusing racket's toleration.

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So my point is that getting slower equipment, then slashing arm like a windmill and just holding racket like return-board to coming every ball and landing ball to table "openly" may not improving game either like getting crazy fast setup and not landing any single ball to table.

The equipment is just taste of preference or aim (landing every ball vs doing a couple rocket-shot), the training makes difference in the end.
 
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Agree with all the above.

Maybe I am biased because all the adult "beginners" in my club get at most one 1:1 lesson a week but then only shows up to the club 1-2 times a week in total. That is nowhere near the threshold to tame Viscaria with double Tenergy 05 on both sides. But if they get three 1:1 lessons a week and practice and hit with their partners 4-5 days a week, yes, I would change my position and say, SK7 with 1.9mm Rozena would be a good starting blade :) :)

I have never been a fan of ALL blades even during the 38mm celluloid balls. Now with plastic ball, I am a fan of OFF- or even slightly OFF blade, preferably 5-ply or 7-ply all wood, and just adjust the rubbers in terms of speed along the way.
 
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Me as an adult beginner that have trained six time per week, sometimes two times a day. I have started from primorac japan with two hybrids (rakza z) and after a few months already playing with innerforce layer zlc with two d09c and it was totally okay - easy and smooth transition. I didn’t have any problems like at all. But I think almost anyone who would training like that will handle the same setup easily even 30+ years old amateur player.

Since I was new to a sport I was buying some of the blades and rubbers: ma lin soft carbon, acoustic, apolonia, harimoto alc, long 5, lin gaoyuan, ovtcharov innerforce alc, fzd alc/salc, franziska, revoldia, viscaria salc. Forehand is always d09c ( but if it would be glazer09c for example - I don’t really care ), backhand can be anything from dignics09c/05/80, fastarc g1, glayzer/glayzer09c or almost any medium hard hybrid. But I always tried to staying away from tenergy05/05fx since I find it harder to control and my coach insisted that I should use t05x as a good first rubber and then move to regular t05 then after 10 years to Dignics05. I still doing it my way (haha I always going like that) and after some time coach was admitted that I was right.

I can play about pretty the same games with any of these blades/rubbers (with 30 minutes of warmup if possible) of course they are different one from each other’s with speed/throw angle/hardness/feeling. But if you as adult amateur developed some sort of feeling and technique you can just play almost with anything that had decent quality. Young players develops quickly just because they train more, if you even at older age and had a lot of coaching - you will adapt too it’s just a matter of how many hours you clock in.

But what I learn from that is the more you train - the quicker you will adapt to a new blade/rubbers and also will adjust quickly if you training volume is 30 hours per week

For pro players I guess consistency in their equipment is more important than eager to try out some new stuff, that’s a totally different animals and they perceive other goals than older amateurs are.
 
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Me as an adult beginner that have trained six time per week, sometimes two times a day. I have started from primorac japan with two hybrids (rakza z) and after a few months already playing with innerforce layer zlc with two d09c and it was totally okay - easy and smooth transition. I didn’t have any problems like at all. But I think almost anyone who would training like that will handle the same setup easily even 30+ years old amateur player.

Since I was new to a sport I was buying some of the blades and rubbers: ma lin soft carbon, acoustic, apolonia, harimoto alc, long 5, lin gaoyuan, ovtcharov innerforce alc, fzd alc/salc, franziska, revoldia, viscaria salc. Forehand is always d09c ( but if it would be glazer09c for example - I don’t really care ), backhand can be anything from dignics09c/05/80, fastarc g1, glayzer/glayzer09c or almost any medium hard hybrid. But I always tried to staying away from tenergy05/05fx since I find it harder to control and my coach insisted that I should use t05x as a good first rubber and then move to regular t05 then after 10 years to Dignics05. I still doing it my way (haha I always going like that) and after some time coach was admitted that I was right.

I can play about pretty the same games with any of these blades/rubbers (with 30 minutes of warmup if possible) of course they are different one from each other’s with speed/throw angle/hardness/feeling. But if you as adult amateur developed some sort of feeling and technique you can just play almost with anything that had decent quality. Young players develops quickly just because they train more, if you even at older age and had a lot of coaching - you will adapt too it’s just a matter of how many hours you clock in.

But what I learn from that is the more you train - the quicker you will adapt to a new blade/rubbers and also will adjust quickly if you training volume is 30 hours per week

For pro players I guess consistency in their equipment is more important than eager to try out some new stuff, that’s a totally different animals and they perceive other goals than older amateurs are.
Yeah none of the adults beginner players in my club come any where CLOSE to how much you train.

Glad you made the transition pretty easily.

I think I get what Heming Hu is saying. For Heming Hu, 5-ply wood with Sriver or Mark V on both sides are trash. It is like us saying that those pre-made, made-in-China blades you get for $20 on Amazon is trash. So I get it.

But for most adult beginners who are not willing to put in the work, then 5-ply blade with Mark V on both sides would last for a long time for them.

There are also many adult players who, after seeing the regulars playing with their Butterfly equipment, demand $300-$500 blades from the owner of the club. What is the owner going to say? No? If that's what these adult beginner players want so they feel good at the table (like I am the boss) , then they can go spend their money to their hearts' content. But most of them do not stay in the sport for long and they eventually just drop out completely.
 
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30 hours per week is almost pro level training 😅 (excluding benching, hanging at club bar)

Of course pro’s should be doing some more training off the table like fitness, tactic etc.
I’ve done it all - including strength training, and I don’t drink alcohol. Actually my first year I was training almost like a pro/semi pro player.

I even remember one of the tourneys (I played two tourney that day), I met in the final ex national level guy that was coached and competed from since he was a kid (his parents are also tt coaches) and I have lost that match 1:3 but it was pretty close games. Whatever. Many people/players after the final came to us and were telling that they are considered me as a pro player that brake the rule (it was amateur tourney), but it was actually my opponent not me 🤣

Anyway I got mine box of some lemonades, two tickets on a music festival and 20$ racket (I’m asking giving it to the guy that became third) as a prize 👯‍♂️
 
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Yeah none of the adults beginner players in my club come any where CLOSE to how much you train.

Glad you made the transition pretty easily.

I think I get what Heming Hu is saying. For Heming Hu, 5-ply wood with Sriver or Mark V on both sides are trash. It is like us saying that those pre-made, made-in-China blades you get for $20 on Amazon is trash. So I get it.

But for most adult beginners who are not willing to put in the work, then 5-ply blade with Mark V on both sides would last for a long time for them.

There are also many adult players who, after seeing the regulars playing with their Butterfly equipment, demand $300-$500 blades from the owner of the club. What is the owner going to say? No? If that's what these adult beginner players want so they feel good at the table (like I am the boss) , then they can go spend their money to their hearts' content. But most of them do not stay in the sport for long and they eventually just drop out completely.
Yes, I agree, cheap traditional setups are okay for adults that have no desire to train. But this is true in just about any serious sport, high quality equipment has to be mastered and does not make the player.

If you aren't putting in the work, equipment doesn't really matter. If you are putting in the work, then the question is more interesting and that is what Heming is saying - there is no necessity to start out on very slow equipment if you are going to put in the work and you can develop proper technique, especially with the increasing popularity of ball holding tacky and hybrid rubbers which can make fast blades play slower and spinnier and give aome control at lower impacts on fast blades. Part of Heming's reasoning (and Schlager always said this) is that you want the player to make fewer and fewer adjustments as they get better. Spinning with older unboosted rubbers and blades encourages vertical strokes and bad habits as the stroke is not often in the direction of the ball travel when generating spin as much as it is with modern rubbers. And then adjustments need to be made for blocking as well. Overuse of the upper arm is always a problem in the absence of good coaching.

It least there is some consensus that stating with OFF- to OFF makes sense. So something like a thicker 5ply or 7ply with Rozena or Glayzer is a good starting point. Or one of the composites without carbon or very thin carbon. On the whole, players have many paths but the point is that starting slow especially too slow has side effects as well. And it is not the end of the world to start too fast and come down if your game is being managed by a coach.
 
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