Hybrid rubbers vs tensors: difference in looping techniques?

[doppelganger_LT]

Hi everybody. I 've been searching all over the internet for a few hours an can't find any info on how should the looping technique be changed when using hybrid rubber instead of tensor type rubbers, like T05. Should you brush more? Different bat angles? Can you use loop-drive, hitting through the ball more, or do hybrids require thinner contact? Thanks for any insights.

 

[Lazer]

Hybrids and Chinese want more brush where T05 likes deeper rubber contact.
Tacky rubbers like a more open angle. But I don’t need to think much about it kind of auto adjust, and the difference isn’t huge…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Ultravisitor]

For me it's the difference in the force applied for different gears.

 

[doppelganger_LT]

Hybrids and Chinese want more brush where T05 likes deeper rubber contact.
Tacky rubbers like a more open angle. But I don’t need to think much about it kind of auto adjust, and the difference isn’t huge…

Cheers
L-zr

Hm, sounds a bit contradictory? Tackier rubbers want more brush but a more open angle??? How to achieve that?

 

[Lazer]

Hm, sounds a bit contradictory? Tackier rubbers want more brush but a more open angle??? How to achieve that?

Due to the tack, the rubber holds the ball a fraction of a second longer = more open angle…

To get that extra power when digging into the rubber you want the catapult that a Tensor has = better at using the rubber for looping…

Doing power loops from a distance with T05 feels like I am shooting a canon. That’s the part I miss with Tenergy. But I don’t play much from distance so a brusher fits me better…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Tyce]

Tbf with tacky rubber you want the ball to sink into the rubber, too. But on a tensor rubber the outward trajectory is close to the inward trajectory when using a sharper angle, whereas with tacky rubber that doesn't work.

Tacky rubber spin generation is similar to a yo-yo or a spinning top with string, you can pull the rubber alongside the ball to generate spin because it sticks a bit.

On bouncy grippy rubber this is only possible with zero impact force, otherwise the ball bounces off. Instead, you let the ball dig/sink and create friction and grip making both speed and spin.
Tensor really isn't that much different from grippy non tensor rubber, except for the catapult effect being much stronger, and activating earlier. This made room for harder sponges to be used which lead to higher power limits than what was possible with grippy euro rubber before.
The downside was loss of control in the touch game, but this has effectively been negated by the introduction of the larger, and subsequently the poly ball.

The relative insensitive nature of grippy non tensor makes it an incredibly easy thing to use, but as people argued the step to an intro level tensor is very small nowadays.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Dima in his interview by TTD Dan sums it so well:

Dima said, " with Hybrids ( Dignics 09C ) he does not need to care so much about getting the angle. "

This is mostly done by the rubber itself, whereas classic tensor ( Tenergy 05 for example ) he has to be angle precide or else the ball will fly to the South Pole faster than you can say Oh! Mama! "

 

[job59]

At „Table tennis teaching channel“ they describe this stuff very well. Improve is one of the related movies, but there are more. I like the phrase: eat the ball 😎

 

[Zezima]

Hybrids and Chinese want more brush where T05 likes deeper rubber contact.
Tacky rubbers like a more open angle. But I don’t need to think much about it kind of auto adjust, and the difference isn’t huge…

Cheers
L-zr

Chinese technique is more about hitting through while I can loop easier with just brushing with tensor. So the opposite what you said.

 

[Airoc]

Dima in his interview by TTD Dan sums it so well:

Yes. I wanted to quote this as well, but didn´t have the source ready.

 

[Zezima]

Hybrids and Chinese want more brush where T05 likes deeper rubber contact.
Tacky rubbers like a more open angle. But I don’t need to think much about it kind of auto adjust, and the difference isn’t huge…

Cheers
L-zr

Chinese technique is more about hitting through while I can loop easier with just brushing with tensor. So the opposite what you said

Dima in his interview by TTD Dan sums it so well:

Dima said, " with Hybrids ( Dignics 09C ) he does not need to care so much about getting the angle. "

This is mostly done by the rubber itself, whereas classic tensor ( Tenergy 05 for example ) he has to be angle precide or else the ball will fly to the South Pole faster than you can say Oh! Mama! "

Yeah that explains why he started losing after changing to d09c on one side?

It's just a subjective feeling. Same with dan qiu..

Not saying it's a bad rubber tho.

For me personally I have enough power and hybrids seems better over the table. I would recommend tensor to kids or players who lack power

 

[Dr Evil]

...how should the looping technique be changed when using hybrid rubber instead of tensor type rubbers, like T05. Should you brush more?

You can brush more because hybrids like 09C have even better grip than T05, so you can get good contact with a very fine brush using 09C that will slip on T05 and end up in the bottom of the net. But you don't have to brush more. You can even flat hit the ball with 09C and get a good result, though you'll need more power because of the tack.

Different bat angles?

Depends on the hybrid. 09C is a high throw rubber like T05, so bat angles tend to be similar. Having used both, I'd agree that 09C seems to be less sensitive to bat angle, probably because of the harder sponge. Other hybrids are more like H3 and have a much lower throw, so you use a more open angle.

 

[NextLevel]

You can brush more because hybrids like 09C have even better grip than T05, so you can get good contact with a very fine brush using 09C that will slip on T05 and end up in the bottom of the net. But you don't have to brush more. You can even flat hit the ball with 09C and get a good result, though you'll need more power because of the tack.

Depends on the hybrid. 09C is a high throw rubber like T05, so bat angles tend to be similar. Having used both, I'd agree that 09C seems to be less sensitive to bat angle, probably because of the harder sponge. Other hybrids are more like H3 and have a much lower throw, so you use a more open angle.

I tend to play with 09c more like H3 than I do with Tenergy 05, the tack makes the rubber more forgiving to racket angles than 05. This is true for me vs Tenergy 05 Hard as well.

 

[Dr Evil]

I tend to play with 09c more like H3 than I do with Tenergy 05, the tack makes the rubber more forgiving to racket angles than 05. This is true for me vs Tenergy 05 Hard as well.

Over the table 09c is definitely a lot closer to H3 than to T05. I think that's its biggest advantage. When driving the ball from off the table I find it plays closer to T05 because of the arc and the ease of use. For open ups I use a much more open angle for H3 than for 09c or T05. To use a T05-like closed angle with H3 opening against a heavy push you need extremely high racket speed.

 

[Lazer]

Chinese technique is more about hitting through while I can loop easier with just brushing with tensor. So the opposite what you said.

No wrong, that’s one of the things the tack is for… Easier to brush. I don’t have the Chinese monster strokes which is needed power loop H3, I settle for a brush. It’s much harder to powerlooop an H3 than an T05.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[blahness]

This is strange, I felt that with D05 i needed more of a brushing contact since it is already so fast - i always needed more spin to land the shots, whereas with D09c i need to go much more forward with my stroke. The rubber produces all the topspin easily.

 

[ZFT]

It’s like Red Bull’s F1 car, with Max Verstappen behind the wheel it’s fast, precise and performing at full potential. He is a world title challenger in the car.

Now, putting it in the hands of his teammates, first Liam Lawson and now Yuki Tsunoda, it becomes slow, challenging and twitchy.

So, a car with upper-end potential capable of winning titles can still underdeliver if the driver cannot extract its full potential. The problem is not the machine. It’s the mismatch between its demands and the user in control.

 

[IB66]

Hi everybody. I 've been searching all over the internet for a few hours an can't find any info on how should the looping technique be changed when using hybrid rubber instead of tensor type rubbers, like T05. Should you brush more? Different bat angles? Can you use loop-drive, hitting through the ball more, or do hybrids require thinner contact? Thanks for any insights.

Hi,
It’s really just playing with the rubber and getting use to it.
There are tensor rubbers with high throw, medium throw and low throw angles, and the same goes for Hybrid and Tacky rubbers!! So the bat angle needs adjusting as necessary to suit the throw angle of the rubber.
Flat hitting with Tensor / bouncy sponge rubbers for speed is easier, hence H3 players twiddling to their BH tensor when smashing.