JTTA: Selection System to be Revamped for Paris 2024

[tackyfh]

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-442208


https://hochi.news/articles/20240204-OHT1T51304.html?page=1

Imagine being 24 and already have to live in the past

 

[zeio]

伊藤没什么好替她鸣不平的 (Ito doesn't deserve sympathy)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8887930344
霸气拽爷: 主要是伊藤太年轻了正常来说还能拼一届单打的 (The main reason is that Ito is too young and normally can compete in singles for another edition)
2024-2-5 15:44回复
用户_NHVUD: 回复 霸气拽爷 :那也不能这种只单打态度，哪怕心里这么想的，面子也装一下啊。没单打就不去亚运，不去混团，在威胁谁呢，民众印象也不好，东京立马退役可能好感一直在，现在大家对她印象也不好 (But you can't have this WS-only attitude. Even if you think so in your heart, at least put up a straight face. Sitting out the Asian Games when she couldn't play singles and not playing the Mixed Team, who was she threatening here? The public's impression is not good either. Retiring immediately after Tokyo might have left a favorable impression forever, but now everyone has a poor impression of her)
2024-2-5 17:04回复

残酷月光刀 有道理 虽然我对 她能把颗粒打到这个高度表示佩服 但是 骨头太软 目光短浅 才二十啷当岁又不是缺胳膊断腿儿 一天不是这疼就是那痒的 上不了单打就哼哼唧唧 双打也不好好打 周期开始就早早退出混双竞争 活该被推荐不了 看得出来不是真的喜欢乒乓球 只不过想赢罢了 赢不了就不想打 哪有处处得意的时候 自己把路走窄了怨得了谁
IP属地:河北来自iPhone客户端24楼2024-02-05 17:37
Makes sense. Although I admire her for pushing shortpips to such a height, her backbone is too soft and she is short-sighted. She is only twenty some years old, and it is not like she was missing an arm and a leg, yet it always hurts here or itches there, day in day out. No singles and she moans and groans. And yet she doesn't play doubles. Quitting the mixed doubles early on at the beginning of the cycle, she deserves not to be recommended. It’s obvious that she doesn’t really like table tennis. She just wants to win. Not winning and she doesn’t want to play. How can things go your way all the time? She has narrowed her own path. Who can she blame?

 

[zeio]

Mizutani: Shinozuka, who was chosen as the 3rd member, is a player with very good tactics. His ability to read the psychology of his opponents is probably the best in Japan.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...nder-almaty-2022-9-1318_topic92160_page3.html (09/17/2022 at 10:45am)

Shinozuka has this rare quality, the ability to "correct" his match flow after a run of points and "choose" the best course of action when it gets tight, when many other players would lose their composure.

 

[Gozo Aruna]

May I know who will be playing the WD, MD and XD for Japan this coming Paris Olympics?

 

[NextLevel]

May I know who will be playing the WD, MD and XD for Japan this coming Paris Olympics?

Only XD is an Olympic event. And that is Harimoto/Hayata.

 

[zeio]

CNT's greatest threat is NOT JNT, but fandom. LOL

刘国梁要求国乒自觉抵制饭圈文化 全身心投入备战
https://sports.sina.com.cn/others/pingpang/2024-02-02/doc-inafsfvy6347900.shtml

　　刘国梁表示：“国家队党支部要进一步加强自身建设，发挥战斗堡垒作用，党员干部要增强学习意识，不能因为训练工作忙而忽视了学习，特别是国家队的党员，经常参加国际比赛活动，时刻代表国家的形象，有这样一个特殊的地位，更要加强个人修养的培养，在队伍起到模范带头作用。二是，结合备战环境，大家要思想一致，自觉抵制‘饭圈文化’，创造优良洁净的环境，全身心投入备战，高度重视赛风赛纪的问题，打造一直‘能征善战，作风优良’的国家队，争取在釜山世乒赛、巴黎奥运会上取得好成绩。”

 

[zeio]

The other news outlets either missed this part or chose to paraphrase it, but Watanabe made it clear if he could choose 4 people, Ito would've been the 4th one. That hurts even more.

伊藤美誠は落選「４人なら絶対選んでた」代表監督、苦渋の決断明かす　辞退示唆発言は考慮せず選考「パリで勝てるのは張本選手」
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2024/02/05/0017301210.shtml
平野美宇「まさか」唯一の五輪経験者となり自覚「新しい風に」代表入り１５歳張本美和に敬意「私よりしっかりしてる」
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2024/02/05/0017301648.shtml
張本美和　智和と兄妹五輪　逆転パリ五輪に驚き「信じられない」　ポイント４番手もアピール結実、美誠落選
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2024/02/06/0017301508.shtml
張本美和か伊藤美誠か「本当に悩んで、悩んだ」　女子残り１枠は張本美を「総合的に一番ふさわしいと」
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2024/02/06/0017301512.shtml

卓球女子・伊藤美誠のパリ五輪代表落ちは“不貞腐れ”発言が影響？ 監督は完全否定もSNSでは違和感の声「体裁が悪いから張本を選んだの？」
https://www.jprime.jp/articles/-/30818?display=b

 

[zeio]

Official equipment supplier for Paris 2024 = Double Fish
Official ball = DF PAR 40+

巴黎奥运乒乓供应商选定双鱼 刘诗雯代言亮相
https://sports.sina.com.cn/others/pingpang/2024-01-26/doc-inaewqhv7174562.shtml

 

[tackyfh]

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://mytabletennis.net/forum/wtt-contender-almaty-2022-9-1318_topic92160_page3.html (09/17/2022 at 10:45am)

I can't help but worry for Shinozuka tbh. His specialty is serve set up for the 3rd ball attack, the rest in his skill set are pretty average. Against power-type players like Pitchford, Liang JK and Fan ZD he's helpless

 

[zeio]

Hirano says she has only practiced WD a few times with Harimoto during the selection trials even though they have paired up a few times before and at Zennihon Takkyu 2024. Man, no hope for this pair.

平野美宇 五輪出場逸の盟友・伊藤美誠に「伊藤選手がいたからここまで来られた」
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2024/02/032721.html

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Q．ダブルスについて

張本選手とは何回か組ませてもらって、全日本選手権で組んだんですけれども、まだまだ選考レースの途中で何回かしか練習できずに試合だったので。

もちろん試合をして足りなかった部分やいい部分も見つかったんですけど、まだまだダブルスとしては、もっと試合だったり練習っていうのが必要だなっていう風に思いましたし。

とくに五輪の舞台はもっともっとふだんの試合より大事で緊張する場面だったり、重要な大会なので。

もっとそこでももっといいプレーができるように、練習をすること、試合をすることっていうのがとても大事っていうのが、東京五輪の石川選手とのダブルスでも感じたので。

私たちがダブルスを組む可能性もあると思うので。もっともっとこれからは積極的に大会に参加したり、練習も毎日同じ練習場ですから、毎日（練習）することも不可能ではないと思うので。

できるだけ毎日練習して、ダブルスの強化もたくさんしていきたいと思います。

 

[KiwiPong]

The other news outlets either missed this part or chose to paraphrase it, but Watanabe made it clear if he could choose 4 people, Ito would've been the 4th one. That hurts even more.

伊藤美誠は落選「４人なら絶対選んでた」代表監督、苦渋の決断明かす　辞退示唆発言は考慮せず選考「パリで勝てるのは張本選手」
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2024/02/05/0017301210.shtml
平野美宇「まさか」唯一の五輪経験者となり自覚「新しい風に」代表入り１５歳張本美和に敬意「私よりしっかりしてる」
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2024/02/05/0017301648.shtml
張本美和　智和と兄妹五輪　逆転パリ五輪に驚き「信じられない」　ポイント４番手もアピール結実、美誠落選
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2024/02/06/0017301508.shtml
張本美和か伊藤美誠か「本当に悩んで、悩んだ」　女子残り１枠は張本美を「総合的に一番ふさわしいと」
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2024/02/06/0017301512.shtml

卓球女子・伊藤美誠のパリ五輪代表落ちは“不貞腐れ”発言が影響？ 監督は完全否定もSNSでは違和感の声「体裁が悪いから張本を選んだの？」
https://www.jprime.jp/articles/-/30818?display=b

Sounds like Ito did it herself. Isolating herself to 'focus on single". She was a decent/good double partner. Now, not only she did not make the single spot, she did not even get picked for team due to her lack of double results....a lose lose situation.

 

[zeio]

I can't help but worry for Shinozuka tbh. His specialty is serve set up for the 3rd ball attack, the rest in his skill set are pretty average. Against power-type players like Pitchford, Liang JK and Fan ZD he's helpless

Yet Shinozuka beat Jorgic whereas Togami failed. Shinozuka got 2 MS titles in 2022 (beating Jorgic and Jarvis) before his herniated disc wiped his form out in 2023. Togami still has none. Shinozuka came close to beating LGY in MS of ATTC 2023 (led 2-1 and was slightly ahead in early G4 IIRC). I think he still hadn't found his form back the last time Shinozuka played Pitchford at WTT CS Frankfurt 2023 and at that point his focus had shifted to domestic results.

The bigger problem right now is the doubles match for MT.

 

[Gozo Aruna]

Only XD is an Olympic event. And that is Harimoto/Hayata.

what happen to the Team Event where doubles games are played? No longer available?

 

[NextLevel]

what happen to the Team Event where doubles games are played? No longer available?

That's the team event - it's not MD or WD. IT's still there. But the Japanese can field any combination of players in the doubles match.

 

[NextLevel]

Yet Shinozuka beat Jorgic whereas Togami failed. Shinozuka got 2 MS titles in 2022 (beating Jorgic and Jarvis) before his herniated disc wiped his form out in 2023. Togami still has none. Shinozuka came close to beating LGY in MS of ATTC 2023 (led 2-1 and was slightly ahead in early G4 IIRC). I think he still hadn't found his form back the last time Shinozuka played Pitchford at WTT CS Frankfurt 2023 and at that point his focus had shifted to domestic results.

The bigger problem right now is the doubles match for MT.

The Hungarians are mercurial and experienced and Togami and Shinozuka have time to figure it out. Let's remember that Mizutani and Niwa got it done in the end vs the Koreans no less. If they can do it, Togami and Shinozuka have hope.

 

[Gozo Aruna]

That's the team event - it's not MD or WD. IT's still there. But the Japanese can field any combination of players in the doubles match.

For the Team Doubles, the two Miyuus seems the most likely combi. Am I right?

For men doubles; I am not sure.

 

[zeio]

Man, WYD's naivety is off the charts.

啊，这很难评！！ (Ah, this is difficult to comment!!)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8889714446
(Caption at the top: A Prodigy as Well)
WYD: Wasn't I WR2 when they entered me for Asian Games 2022, and yet I got chewed out?!

Source video (likely taken after national championships where WYD defended her WS title and Jiangsu won WT according to the speculation of the Tieba's mod):
https://weibo.com/5238598230/NFpEj0sKm
And the poster's comment:

真想采访一下王艺迪拿着别人的名额在国/庆当天输日本是怎么大言不惭觉得自己委屈的？你敢拍着胸脯说自己的名额来的堂堂正正吗？当时的周抛世排第二怎么来的你自己心里没数吗？茅台喝多了真觉得自己理所当然了？亚运会代表中国乒协给日本人送块银牌尽地主之谊你王艺迪可真大方啊！算算早田有今天的成绩你王艺迪真是功不可没！

I really want to interview Wang Yidi about how she felt aggrieved when she lost to Japan on the National Day with someone else’s spot? Do you dare to pat on your chest and say that your spot was earned fair and square? Didn't you know how you came to be ranked 2nd in the world at that time? Drank too much Maotai and really thought it was by virtue of results? At the Asian Games, on behalf of the CTTA, you gave a silver medal to the Japanese as a gesture of host! Wang Yidi, how generous you are! After all, you, Wang Yidi, has contributed so much to Hayata’s accomplishment!

昨天迪吃饭视屏谁发出来的 (Who posted WYD's dining video yesterday)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8889819398

今天的《乒乓世界》登载了王艺迪的2023…… (Table Tennis World published today an article on WYD's 2023...)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8878070973

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

For the Team Doubles, the two Miyuus seems the most likely combi. Am I right?

For men doubles; I am not sure.

The women's team consists of Hayata (a lefty), Hirano, and Miwa. No Miyuus.

The men's team consists of Tomo, Togami, and Shinozuka. Shinozuka is a lefty so coach will decide who to pair him up with.

 

[NextLevel]

For the Team Doubles, the two Miyuus seems the most likely combi. Am I right?

For men doubles; I am not sure.

The Japanese Olympic TT teams are:
Women : Hayata, Hirano, Harimoto
Men: Harimoto, Togami, Shinozuka
XD: Harimoto, Hayata
Two of your team members have to be in the singles event barring injury substitutions. The XD team can be any man or woman from the the teams.

So more likely than not, for most teams matches, Harimoto and Hirano will be playing doubles and Togami and Shinozuka will as well. But of course, there is room to substitute Hayata and Harimoto in doubles combinations if necessary or considered optimal.

 

[zeio]

Catching up on Nikkei China's reports during Zennihon Takkyu 2024.

15歲張本美和拿到巴黎奧運門票，伊藤美誠落選
https://zh.cn.nikkei.com/politicsaeconomy/politicsasociety/54786-2024-02-05-14-47-00.html

　　團體賽男女各1人是根據「（與單打選手）可以組成雙打、在團體賽中有望在單雙打中大顯身手的選手」這一標準，由日本乒乓球協會的強化本部選出。從日本國內選拔的排名來看，張本美和是第4位，伊藤美誠是第3位。從截至1月30日的世界排名來看，張本美和排在第16位，伊藤美誠是第10位。

巴黎奧運，日本這些乒乓選手將挑戰中國隊
https://zh.cn.nikkei.com/politicsaeconomy/politicsasociety/54698-2024-01-29-10-56-56.html

　　平野美宇將在巴黎奧運會的單打比賽中挑戰擊敗中國選手。她意氣風發地説：「既然要出去，不戰勝中國選手拿到銀牌以上，就沒有意思。為了展示這種面貌，希望每天都成長進步」。

15歲的張本美和向世界頂尖球手急速成長
https://zh.cn.nikkei.com/politicsaeconomy/politicsasociety/54618-2024-01-24-05-00-43.html

　　張本美和報名參加了日本乒乓球錦標賽的3個項目。在上次首次奪冠的青少年組女單方面，首先將以兩連冠為目標，與乒乓球T聯賽神奈川俱樂部的同事平野美宇搭檔出戰的雙打也瞄準冠軍。雖然張本美和可能會在26日開始出戰的女子單打比賽中受到更嚴密的防範，但她表示：「我一直保持著勇敢面對的心態。面對實力強大的選手，我會鼓勵自己説‘（我）比對手更強’」，把精力放在了全力以赴打比賽上。

This one after WTT CS Frankfurt 2023.

https://zh.cn.nikkei.com/politicsaeconomy/politicsasociety/54047-2023-11-29-05-00-40.html

　　「與中國頂尖選手們都打了比賽，也了解了他們的特點。這是非常好的經歷」。11月7日晚間，結束約1個半月的海外遠征後返回日本的早田希娜絲毫不顯疲憊，浮現出充實的表情。在10月的杭州亞運會上，她在單打比賽中擊敗排名更高的中國選手獲得銀牌。隨後又在中國選手未參加的另一項國際大賽上連續2次奪冠，穩定感十分突出。

...

　　在男子選手方面，王牌張本智和連續2次參加奧運會已成定局。他是日本選手中唯一排名世界前10以內的選手。另一方面，張本智和今年在國際大賽的單打比賽中沒有獲得冠軍。在強手雲集的11月在德國舉行的國際大賽上，他在4分之1決賽中敗給了年齡相倣的對手林昀儒（台灣）。林昀儒後來連續擊敗中國大陸選手獲得冠軍。張本智和強調稱：「我感覺有些差距，失敗讓我更有危機感，只能通過訓練來提高實力」。

...

　　但是，選手的意識無論如何都會轉向日本國內選拔賽。男子代表隊的教練田勢邦史表示：「就算想培養能在世界上獲勝的選手，也有些選手僅僅把參加奧運會當成目標」。考慮到有望連續3屆在奧運會上拿到獎牌的團體賽，日本隊想提升世界排名、獲得排名靠前的「種子」，但緊隨張本智和之後的戶上隼輔只排在世界第31位（排名截至2023年11月7日）。競爭很激烈，加強實力還有很長的路要走。

　　通過挑戰德國等提升自己、正在把首次參加奧運會的名額收入囊中的戶上隼輔（22歲）表示：「在國際大賽上取勝的同時，在日本國內也有必須取勝的壓力。想為日本隊做出貢獻，今後要全力以赴參加所有的國際比賽」。

And the one after WT F of Asian Games 2022.

亞運乒乓女團決賽，日本輸給中國但不難堪
https://zh.cn.nikkei.com/politicsaeconomy/politicsasociety/53639-2023-09-27-11-35-46.html

雖然先輸掉了第一局，但平野美宇巧妙地利用擦網球，逐漸抓住了比賽節奏。她的體格不如對手，但憑藉輕盈的步伐和快速的判斷展開對抗。平野説：「這次沒有太緊張，很享受比賽」。陳夢在場上一副嚴肅的表情，而平野卻不時露出笑容，並帶著這樣的心態打完了整場比賽。

最後一局雙方打到5比5平，但萬萬沒想到之後平野美宇連失6分。她表示，對於對方使出的戰術出現了誤判，她同時不甘心地説：「得分被輕易甩開。想法上的失誤導致最後比分差距被拉大」。

雖然日本隊最終以0比3的總比分完敗，但早田希娜回憶説：「就我個人的感覺來説，與以往的（團體）比賽相比，這是首次發揮出最能與中國選手抗衡的水平」。而中國隊的教練也表示，今天的比賽應該是打得最艱苦，最激烈的。早田和平野將把這種絕非自以為是的切實的收穫記在心間，以在團體賽中沒有實現的打敗中國隊為目標繼續出戰個人賽。