JTTA: Selection System to be Revamped for Paris 2024

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One more thing, backhand style doesn't work in long rallies, looking at the first game and this point for instance

Its not about long rallies, but more about BH in doubles.
BH style isn't that suited for doubles, unless the left handers BH can go cross court and cause great angle threats.
Otherwise, the norm is to have FH play when possible.
 
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Harimoto's comment.

Table tennis mixed doubles: Harimoto & Hayata pair unexpectedly lose in first match...Losing to North Korean pair, Harimoto says "It's frustrating, they played better than I expected" [Paris Olympics]
https://newsdig.tbs.co.jp/articles/-/1319294?display=1


Hayata's comment. She talks about how she boasted about winning the XD and yet it ended in the worst way possible . On what exactly was the problem, she puts it on little intel about PRK and therefore she was a bit lost and couldn't stop the shots from the male player.

[Table Tennis] Hayata Hina "Just do what I've always done" Despite losing the first round of mixed doubles...emphasis on switching gears
https://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/articles/-/310985
I don't know if something got mixed up in translation, but the https://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/articles/-/310985 link translates in Chrome to:

Before the tournament, she had said, "If something were to happen, the mixed doubles would be the one I'd be most likely to win,"​

which is far different in meaning from your post #891 which quotes the article as:

Before the tournament, she had said, "If something were to happen, I would be most likely to win in mixed doubles,"​

Perhaps the article was corrected/updated.
 
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Its not about long rallies, but more about BH in doubles.
BH style isn't that suited for doubles, unless the left handers BH can go cross court and cause great angle threats.
Otherwise, the norm is to have FH play when possible.
Well if Hayata's BH were as accurate as Wang CQ against Korea yesterday then they might have fought a better match
 
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Well if Hayata's BH were as accurate as Wang CQ against Korea yesterday then they might have fought a better match
of course
if any shot is more accurate.....
just like if Lin didn't become inaccurate after half way mark
of Lim diddn't become inaccurate too
CNT would have been knocked out in the first round already
 
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Replying here.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/paris-olympic-games-2024.34358/post-471284
Ishida: rather than a discussion on win/lose, now it a consideration of how to play the match.

The pain began during the Pyong match on Aug 1. Hayata played the SYS match heavily taped/bandaged, with pain medication. “Hina was not in a condition to play”.

Hayata : I was not able to play at 100%, to those who supported me and helped me become strong, I’m truly sorry. (Forfeiture) of course I’ve considered it, but this only happens every 4 yrs, so I’ll continue. (For the bronze) I’ll rest up as much as I can today, although I don’t know what kind of level I can play at tomorrow, but I’ll press on without regret.
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JTTA making the same mistake as KTTA for Tokyo 2020 is just unfathomable. Even CTTA almost shot itself in the foot with an even more sophisticated selection system. Fairness is poisonous.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/world-cup-2024.33476/post-454688
keep playing like this and Hirano will make JTTA rethink about her Paris singles spot
This is the lower limit after WTTC 2024 that I predicted during Singapore Smash 2024.

Compared to her teammates, especially Hayata, and other non-CNT top players, Hirano is really a workhorse and the sturdiest here. Between WTTC 2024 and Singapore Smash 2024, Hirano was on a 10-match winning streak (8 at WTTC 2024), beating Hayata and Samara 3-0 before losing 2-3 to Ito after holding 3 match points in G4.

In contrast, Ito was on a 5-match winning streak (2 at WTTC 2024), having a relatively easier draw before losing 2-4 to WMY. Since that loss, Ito has had serious trouble beating non-CNT players.

Last but not least, Hayata, who should have even easier draws as a seeded player like Ito, is really not much better, having serious trouble to overcome Batra 3-2 and blowing the 2-1 lead over SYS at WTT CS Incheon 2024.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-463538
Past selection systems used to end right before the Olympic year, with the 3rd member announced early the following year. With the revamped selection system, the time that should've been spent on training is now being used to play tournaments in a last-ditch effort to catch up and secure better seeding. How did they end up like this? Where were they again when players from other teams were busy grabbing points at WTT SCT Doha, CT Doha and SCT Goa 2024? Now they won't even have time for a proper training camp before heading for Paris. Despite being the 2nd seed after CHN, the teamwork of JPN does not even compare to that of KOR.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-461225
It's needless to say SYB is the oddball that doesn't belong to the top 10, but looking at the long list of events many KNT players have attended in 2023 and 2024, it does highlight the naivety of JTTA and DTTB, the former in particular with its selection system that has done more harm than good. Good in that the only current Olympic gold medalist but solo (can I just say selfish?) Ito will not play WS and in turn WT, but bad in that Hayata is no way close to being the top 2 seeds at Paris 2024 (let alone challenge) and Hirano wasting precious time on fending off Ito until Zennihon Takkyu 2024 that could've been used for raising her WR at WTT SCT Doha, CT Doha and SCT Goa 2024. If you ask me, the chemistry between Hayata and Harimoto in XD has also been stagnant for the past 2 or even 3 years. Things could've been better for the top players who really bring home the glory but the higher-ups were so naive to talk about fairness and let those who wouldn't ever make the cut have an input on how the selection system should be organized.

As the CNR criticized the CNT's selection system, it's just lazy governance.
 
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Even Hayata says she can't be sure if she will get to experience such a stage 4 years from now.

https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/olympic/2024/20240803-OYT1T50049/
 石田大輔コーチによると、どれくらいプレーできるか把握できないまま、いわばぶっつけ本番で臨んでいた。試合後、早田は「棄権」という選択肢も頭にあったことを認め、「この舞台をまた4年後、経験できるかというと、そうは限らない。できる限り、最後までやると決めたからにはやりたかった」と声を詰まらせた。

 3位決定戦が残っている。「この状態でもうやるしかないし、勝つしかないと思っている。できることを最大限やって、後悔のないように頑張りたい」。悲壮な思いをのぞかせた。(杉野謙太郎)

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/26th-asian-table-tennis-championship.31859/post-422977
At this point, it's fair to say Hirano and Ito have fulfilled their potential. It comes down to Hayata, who once said in a WTTC 2017 promo that "I hope to overtake them in the end".

Under the circumstances, this Olympic period is likely the only window for Hayata to catch up and be treated as equals down the road. It will only get harder the next cycle as they approach 28.
 
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To put the topic of Hayata's weakness against pips and lefties as well as her dumbness to rest, here are the match reports by Nittaku for the Inter-High tournament from 2016.

She's been that way since at least high school. 8 years later and her poor habit of choosing brawn over brain still sticks...

【インターハイ】女子準決勝、早田ひなと橋本帆乃香が勝利!
https://www.nittaku.com/nittaku-news/topics/post-1035
一方、早田は過去0勝4敗と苦手にしている梅村から、ついに白星を挙げた。強引に回り込まず、回転量の多いバックドライブを梅村のバック面に集め、ミスを誘った。「打たせてとる」タイプの梅村だが、早田レベルの豪打を先に打たれては勝機は薄かった。「今まではブロックで粘っても何とかできたけど、もう粘っても勝てなくなった」と試合後の梅村。しかし、次回の対戦ではまた早田対策を練ってくるだろう。
Meanwhile, Hayata finally managed to win against her nemesis Umemura [lefty with BH shortpips, mirror image of Ito], who had a record of 0 wins and 4 losses in the past. Instead of forcing her way around, she aimed her BH drive, which had a lot of rotation, at Umemura's BH, inducing misses from her. Umemura is the type who "lets them hit it," but with Hayata's powerful hit first, her chances of winning were slim. "Until now, I was able to manage by sticking with the blocks, but now I can't win even if I stick with it," said Umemura after the match. However, she will likely come up with a countermeasure against Hayata in the next match.

【インターハイ】1年生女王の早田ひな「期待に応えられてうれしい」
https://www.nittaku.com/nittaku-news/topics/post-1040
苦手としている準決勝の梅村戦については、「今大会はプレッシャーの中での試合でしたが、準決勝の梅村さんとの試合は、そのプレッシャーも忘れて向かっていくだけでした」と語った早田。追い込まれるほどに強さを増すその精神力。女子選手離れした両ハンドドライブの破壊力。本格派の左シェークドライブ型として、 さらなる飛躍が期待される。

2016年IH 卓球 女子 シングルス 準決勝 梅村優香(四天王寺)vs 早田ひな(希望が丘)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tACXnta816k

2016年IH 卓球 女子 シングルス 決勝 橋本帆乃香(四天王寺)vs 早田ひな(希望が丘)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpI2jUITVcU
 
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To put the topic of Hayata's weakness against pips and lefties as well as her dumbness to rest, here are the match reports by Nittaku for the Inter-High tournament from 2016.

She's been that way since at least high school. 8 years later and her poor habit of choosing brawn over brain still sticks...

【インターハイ】女子準決勝、早田ひなと橋本帆乃香が勝利!
https://www.nittaku.com/nittaku-news/topics/post-1035

Meanwhile, Hayata finally managed to win against her nemesis Umemura [lefty with BH shortpips, mirror image of Ito], who had a record of 0 wins and 4 losses in the past. Instead of forcing her way around, she aimed her BH drive, which had a lot of rotation, at Umemura's BH, inducing misses from her. Umemura is the type who "lets them hit it," but with Hayata's powerful hit first, her chances of winning were slim. "Until now, I was able to manage by sticking with the blocks, but now I can't win even if I stick with it," said Umemura after the match. However, she will likely come up with a countermeasure against Hayata in the next match.

【インターハイ】1年生女王の早田ひな「期待に応えられてうれしい」
https://www.nittaku.com/nittaku-news/topics/post-1040


2016年IH 卓球 女子 シングルス 準決勝 梅村優香(四天王寺)vs 早田ひな(希望が丘)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tACXnta816k

2016年IH 卓球 女子 シングルス 決勝 橋本帆乃香(四天王寺)vs 早田ひな(希望が丘)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpI2jUITVcU
Thanks. Thankfully, her weaknesses in 2016 were set in stone and despite beating players she struggled with prior, we can see that she never adapted, losing to pips players (which by the way also includes choppers) whenever she met them for all time. What a dumb bronze medalist!
 
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Hayata feels she dragged down the WD pair as the senpai and wonders what would've happened if they took the match and wants to reflect on that properly. (Sigh, she is starting to sound like Ishikawa. Reflect on what happened, yet the same pattern next time.)

Harimoto says she was afraid of being a nuisance to the team if she lost both singles. It's said Kaufmann hardly practiced if at all as she took the university entrance exam "Abi".

Hayata/Harimoto practiced for 2 days including the day of the final.

Former head coach of women's JNT, Murakami points out the decisive difference between Japan and China - the ability of the latter to keep the ball on the table which originates in a strong defense, and not hit low percentage shots at 9:9 or 10:10. Of the 3 members, he picks Hirano as the MVP.

【卓球女子】日本は2大会連続銀メダル 早田ひな「あそこが取れていたら...」張本美和との急造ダブルスで激闘も敗戦 中国が大会5連覇
https://news.ntv.co.jp/category/sports/1ff9afc1915846eb859caf8c3f2cb881
早田選手は試合後のインタビューで「張本選手と組むのは公式戦でほとんど初めてといっていいほどだったんですけれど、自分たちの持ってるものを最大限出すことはできた。でも先輩として自分が足を引っ張ってしまったかなと思う。あそこ(ダブルス)が取れていたら試合展開が変わっていたかなと思うのですが、あそこからが中国の強さだと思うのでしっかり反省したい」と振り返りました。

張本美和、2試合目こそ落とすも、4試合目はドイツ圧倒「勝ててホッとしている。2試合とも負けて迷惑かけるのではないかと思っていた」/卓球
https://www.sanspo.com/article/20240809-CSPB6GHJTVOU3NBQPKVSK6OM7Y/?outputType=theme_paris2024
「勝ててホッとしている。2試合とも負けて迷惑かけるのではないかと思っていた」と張本美。緊張の糸が途切れて涙がこぼれた16歳を試合後は2人の先輩が慰めた。

【パリ五輪卓球】日本女子、決勝進出! 張本美和、1点落とすも最後は11−0
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/202938
これほどの選手が、ハン・インの欠場がなければドイツ代表に名を連ねることはなかったというのも驚きだ。しかもカウフマンはドイツの大学入学資格試験『Abi』を受け、ピンチヒッターでの五輪出場が決まるまではほとんど練習をしていなかったという。張本のプレーが良くなかったというより、カウフマンのプレーが良すぎたという試合内容だった。

卓球・張本美和「負けた以上は差はある」が「努力を続ければ、必ず超えられる」初五輪で中国超えに手応え…担当記者が見た
https://hochi.news/articles/20240811-OHT1T51300.html?page=1

号泣の張本美和16歳に“8つ上のお姉さん”早田ひなが近づいて…女子卓球“まるで3姉妹”どんな関係? 元代表監督が語る「メダル確定」現地ウラ側
https://number.bunshun.jp/articles/-/862598?page=3
https://number.bunshun.jp/articles/-/862598
絶好調の平野美宇「いままでで一番強い」

――準決勝のシングルスでは、平野選手もすばらしいプレーでストレート勝ちを収めました。ダブルスも含めて、チームの支えになっていますね。

村上 長いこと平野を見ていますが、この団体戦での集中力、仕上がりは最高ですね。「いままでで一番強い平野美宇」だと思います。とにかくチャンスボールをミスしない。ここぞという場面のフォアハンドで、ほぼ確実に得点している。調子が悪いときはフォアハンドのミスが多かったんですが、それがまったくありません。本当に過去最高ですよ。

張本美和16歳の表情が…団体決勝で“ある異変”「中国を五輪で初めて本気にさせた」それでも高い王者の壁…元代表監督が現地で見た“決定的な差”
https://number.bunshun.jp/articles/-/862624?page=3
https://number.bunshun.jp/articles/-/862624
日本と中国の“決定的な差”

――日本の善戦が目立った一方で、「ここぞ」の場面での中国の底力、粘り強さは驚異的でした。勝敗を分けた日本と中国の差は、いったいどこにあるのでしょうか。


村上 一番のポイントは守備力です。中国の選手たちは、打たれても抜かせない守備力を持っている。そして守備力があるからこそ、9-9、10-10の場面で難しいボールを打たない。相手に先手を取られても我慢強く返していく。日本の選手は、相手の返球が少しでも甘いとすぐ勝負にいってしまう。そこが大きな違いです。

――中国の選手からは瀬戸際での精神力の強さを感じるのですが、メンタルよりも技術ですか。

村上 よく「メンタルの違い」と言われますが、メンタルだけを鍛える方法はないんです。戦術と技術で上回って、初めてメンタルでも上にいける。まずは守備力を鍛えて、どんな状況でもきっちり返す。そこを徹底するのがなにより重要だと思います。あとは戦術的な引き出しを増やすこと。たとえば中国の選手は、試合終盤にそれまで温存していたサーブを出して、レシーブのミスを誘うことがよくあります。日本の選手も手札をより増やしていく必要があるでしょうね。

MVPは早田ひなでも張本美和でもなく…

――早田選手の左手のケガというアクシデントがありながら、中国との決勝まで勝ち上がったチームは素晴らしかったと思います。結果は銀メダルでしたが、表彰式でもとてもいい表情をしていました。なぜ、これほど一体感のあるチームになれたのでしょうか。


村上 早田ひな、平野美宇、張本美和、それにリザーブの木原美悠。彼女たちがいい仕事をしたのはもちろんですが、この4人だけではなくて、卓球界の特性も大きいと思います。小学生から団体戦があり、チームとして戦うことを学んで、それを中学、高校、インカレ、Tリーグと積み上げてきた。みんな物心ついたときからチーム戦というのを心得ているんです。「誰が代表になっても大丈夫」という安心感があります。

――団体戦のMVPをあえてひとりあげるなら、どの選手ですか?

村上 ダブルス、シングルスで一番多くの試合に出た平野ですね。今大会は本当に好調でしたし、オーダーに応じてしっかりと役割を果たしていました。平野と早田はいま24歳ですが、科学的なトレーニングや栄養管理が進歩した現在のスポーツ界では、20代後半になっても身体的なピークから落ちることはありません。モチベーションさえ上げられれば、まだまだこれから中国との差を縮めていけるんじゃないでしょうか。
The "decisive difference" between Japan and China

--While Japan's good performance was noticeable, China's strength and tenacity in the "clutch" moments were astonishing. What is the difference between Japan and China that determined the outcome?


Murakami: The most important point is defensive strength. CNT players have the defensive strength to not let the ball slip past them even if under attack. And it is because of their defensive strength that they do not hit difficult balls in situations where the score is 9-9 or 10-10. Even if the opponent takes the initiative, they patiently return the ball. JNT players go for the win as soon as the opponent's return is even the slightest bit weak. That is the big difference.

――I feel that Chinese players have strong mental strength when they are on the brink, but is it more about technique than mental strength?

Murakami: People often say that it's a "mental difference," but there is no way to train only mental strength. You can only get better mentally if you surpass them in tactics and technique. First, train your defense and return the ball properly in any situation. I think that carrying that out is the most important thing. The other thing is to increase your tactical repertoire. For example, CNT players often serve in the final stages of a match in ways which they have been saving up until then, to induce mistakes in the receiving. Japanese players will also need to increase their hand.

The MVP is not Hayata Hina or Harimoto Miwa...

――I think it was great that the team made it to the final against China, despite the accident of Hayata's left hand injury. They ended up with the silver medal, but they looked very happy at the award ceremony. Why did they become such a united team?


Murakami: Hayata Hina, Hirano Miu, Harimoto Miwa, and reserve Kihara Miyu. Of course, they did a good job, but I think it's not just these four, but also the characteristics of the table tennis world that play a big role. They have team matches from elementary school, and learned to fight as a team, and have built up that knowledge through junior high school, high school, the Intercollegiate Championships, and the T-League. Everyone has known about team matches since they were old enough to understand. There is a sense of security that "no matter who becomes the representative, it will be fine."

--If you had to pick one player as the MVP of the team matches, which one would it be?

Murakami: It would be Hirano, who played the most matches in doubles and singles. She was really good in this tournament, and she played her role well according to the order. Hirano and Hayata are now 24 years old, but in today's sports world, with advances in scientific training and nutritional management, even in their late 20s, they will not fall from their physical peak. If we can just raise our motivation, I think we can still close the gap with China.
 
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Learn to keep the *bleep* ball on the *bleep* table, or retire, Hay***!

Given that Murakami is the head coach of Red Elf, which Hayata is affiliated with, and yet he picks Hirano as the MVP, you have to wonder how unsatisfied he must feel.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/paris-olympic-games-2024.34358/post-472704
With an injured Hayata and an immature Harimoto, Hirano is now the only RELIABLE force on the team that can be utilized as originally planned. Unfathomable for the 2nd seed.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/paris-olympic-games-2024.34358/post-473219
As I noted in the thought experiment with NextLevel, Harimoto was an unknown (not equivalent to weakest but a volatile variable) because of that match with DHK at WTTC 2024, and between Hayata and Hirano, the latter was still the more reliable player given the history of the former. That mentality was well reflected in the 5ch comments after Harimoto got creamed, and you could literally feel the folks there were in panic when they realized ONCE AGAIN Hirano was the only one they could rely on and how Hayata's selfishness led the team to that situation.
 
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"Keeping the ball on the table", which Hayata does well against just about any player not on the CNT to extend points when defending, is now supposedly what she cannot do at deuce. The problem is when you face a better player, when both of you keep the ball on the table, the better player's consistency and quality tends to win out and this is why the CNT deploy this strategy. So the worse player has to figure out what risks to take to avoid thus tendency. So the real question is whether Haysta has earned the right to think she doesn't need to take risks to beat the CNT. Given the results of her consistent spin style against the playees she is trying to beat (Chen, Wang and Sun), the answer is no and her play is completely understandable. If that is an adjustment to be made, it will not be simply keeping the ball on the table but something that keeps her believing she still has the advantage in the point against such players when she does it. Because the persistent belief historically has been that her style lacks the level of risk required to beat the Chinese.
 
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Hayata feels she dragged down the WD pair as the senpai and wonders what would've happened if they took the match and wants to reflect on that properly. (Sigh, she is starting to sound like Ishikawa. Reflect on what happened, yet the same pattern next time.)

Harimoto says she was afarid of being a nuisance to the team if she lost both singles. It's said Kaufmann hardly practiced if at all as she took the university entrance exam "Abi".

Hayata/Harimoto practiced for 2 days including the day of the final.

Former head coach of women's JNT, Murakami points out the decisive difference between Japan and China - the ability of the latter to keep the ball on the table which originates in a strong defense, and not hit low percentage shots at 9:9 or 10:10. Of the 3 members, he picks Hirano as the MVP.

【卓球女子】日本は2大会連続銀メダル 早田ひな「あそこが取れていたら...」張本美和との急造ダブルスで激闘も敗戦 中国が大会5連覇
https://news.ntv.co.jp/category/sports/1ff9afc1915846eb859caf8c3f2cb881


張本美和、2試合目こそ落とすも、4試合目はドイツ圧倒「勝ててホッとしている。2試合とも負けて迷惑かけるのではないかと思っていた」/卓球
https://www.sanspo.com/article/20240809-CSPB6GHJTVOU3NBQPKVSK6OM7Y/?outputType=theme_paris2024


【パリ五輪卓球】日本女子、決勝進出! 張本美和、1点落とすも最後は11−0
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/202938


卓球・張本美和「負けた以上は差はある」が「努力を続ければ、必ず超えられる」初五輪で中国超えに手応え…担当記者が見た
https://hochi.news/articles/20240811-OHT1T51300.html?page=1

張本美和16歳の表情が…団体決勝で“ある異変”「中国を五輪で初めて本気にさせた」それでも高い王者の壁…元代表監督が現地で見た“決定的な差”
https://number.bunshun.jp/articles/-/862624?page=3
https://number.bunshun.jp/articles/-/862624

The "decisive difference" between Japan and China

--While Japan's good performance was noticeable, China's strength and tenacity in the "clutch" moments were astonishing. What is the difference between Japan and China that determined the outcome?

Murakami:
The most important point is defensive strength. CNT players have the defensive strength to not let the ball slip past them even if under attack. And it is because of their defensive strength that they do not hit difficult balls in situations where the score is 9-9 or 10-10. Even if the opponent takes the initiative, they patiently return the ball. JNT players go for the win as soon as the opponent's return is even the slightest bit weak. That is the big difference.

――I feel that Chinese players have strong mental strength when they are on the brink, but is it more about technique than mental strength?

Murakami:
People often say that it's a "mental difference," but there is no way to train only mental strength. You can only get better mentally if you surpass them in tactics and technique. First, train your defense and return the ball properly in any situation. I think that carrying that out is the most important thing. The other thing is to increase your tactical repertoire. For example, CNT players often serve in the final stages of a match in ways which they have been saving up until then, to induce mistakes in the receiving. Japanese players will also need to increase their hand.

The MVP is not Hayata Hina or Harimoto Miwa...

――I think it was great that the team made it to the final against China, despite the accident of Hayata's left hand injury. They ended up with the silver medal, but they looked very happy at the award ceremony. Why did they become such a united team?

Murakami:
Hayata Hina, Hirano Miu, Harimoto Miwa, and reserve Kihara Miyu. Of course, they did a good job, but I think it's not just these four, but also the characteristics of the table tennis world that play a big role. They have team matches from elementary school, and learned to fight as a team, and have built up that knowledge through junior high school, high school, the Intercollegiate Championships, and the T-League. Everyone has known about team matches since they were old enough to understand. There is a sense of security that "no matter who becomes the representative, it will be fine."

--If you had to pick one player as the MVP of the team matches, which one would it be?

Murakami:
It would be Hirano, who played the most matches in doubles and singles. She was really good in this tournament, and she played her role well according to the order. Hirano and Hayata are now 24 years old, but in today's sports world, with advances in scientific training and nutritional management, even in their late 20s, they will not fall from their physical peak. If we can just raise our motivation, I think we can still close the gap with China.
Makes sense if you think about who won the most matches pre-final and who brought the team back online after that horrifying loss against Kaufmann, but I'm not sure Hirano could have delivered the same shot quality that Miwa brought in the final. She was the reason Japan had a shot at taking the first and even third point in that tie.
 
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"Keeping the ball on the table", which Hayata does well against just about any player not on the CNT to extend points when defending, is now supposedly what she cannot do at deuce. The problem is when you face a better player, when both of you keep the ball on the table, the better player's consistency and quality tends to win out and this is why the CNT deploy this strategy. So the worse player has to figure out what risks to take to avoid thus tendency. So the real question is whether Haysta has earned the right to think she doesn't need to take risks to beat the CNT. Given the results of her consistent spin style against the playees she is trying to beat (Chen, Wang and Sun), the answer is no and her play is completely understandable. If that is an adjustment to be made, it will not be simply keeping the ball on the table but something that keeps her believing she still has the advantage in the point against such players when she does it. Because the persistent belief historically has been that her style lacks the level of risk required to beat the Chinese.
She was playing doubles and Miwa was on fire. All she had to do was keep the ball on the table once (with good placement and spin of course) for Miwa to finish the job. And they had so many chances too from 9-5 to 10-12 (7 points total). But no, she had to attempt the same shots she had failed earlier. Hayata's performance was impressive in singles, but her team performance was a total letdown.
 
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She was playing doubles and Miwa was on fire. All she had to do was keep the ball on the table once (with good placement and spin of course) for Miwa to finish the job. And they had so many chances too from 9-5 to 10-12 (7 points total). But no, she had to attempt the same shots she had failed earlier. Hayata's performance was impressive in singles, but her team performance was a total letdown.
Okay. Did she have all the misses from 9-5 in the 5th? And what changed other than the score? She just decided to start pissing away points?
 
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Okay. Did she have all the misses from 9-5 in the 5th? And what changed other than the score? She just decided to start pissing away points?
I looked at the 9-5 points all the way to the end. All that Hayata did was take risk to win points by going down the line when arguably she should have more safety going cross court. You have to believe you have earned the right to do this.

Also, her play against SYS and SYB in singles was nothing special from a consistency or risk standpoint, the injury just gave her a pass.
 
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I looked at the 9-5 points all the way to the end. All that Hayata did was take risk to win points by going down the line when arguably she should have more safety going cross court. You have to believe you have earned the right to do this.

Also, her play against SYS and SYB in singles was nothing special from a consistency or risk standpoint, the injury just gave her a pass.
Playing that well and displaying that level of mental strength after she could not even use her wrist before the match is impressive to me. What's not impressive is going for that backhand down the line and forehand cross court even after missing the same shots throughout the match. Hayata knows she threw that match away and it shows in her comments.
 
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Playing that well and displaying that level of mental strength after she could not even use her wrist before the match is impressive to me. What's not impressive is going for that backhand down the line and forehand cross court even after missing the same shots throughout the match. Hayata knows she threw that match away and it shows in her comments.
You are a TT player. Have you ever lost a match quite like Hayata and Harimoto and not feel you threw it away? I am not saying Hayata did not lose the match as much as that the idea that all she had to do was keep the ball on the table and that would have changed the outcome runs counter to the traditional wisdom of how a worse player plays a better player. Remaining consistent almost always favors the better player on those situations.
 
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Although most of us wish the ending would have turned out better, consider how far do you think a Miwa/Hirano pair would do against China given a history of Miwa/Hirano losses:

Lost 3-2 to Odo/Yokoi at 2024 Contender Zagreb
Lost 3-1 to Ng (HKG)/Liu (AUS) at 2024 Saudi Smash
Lost 3-0 to SYS/WYD at 2023 Asian Championships
Lost 3-1 to Double Miyu at 2023 Contender Lima

Yet an injured Hayata/Miwa pair was able to take CM/WMY to the 5th game at the Olympics. Everything depends on how you choose to look at it: half empty vs. half full.
 
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Although most of us wish the ending would have turned out better, consider how far do you think a Miwa/Hirano pair would do against China given a history of Miwa/Hirano losses:

Lost 3-2 to Odo/Yokoi at 2024 Contender Zagreb
Lost 3-1 to Ng (HKG)/Liu (AUS) at 2024 Saudi Smash
Lost 3-0 to SYS/WYD at 2023 Asian Championships
Lost 3-1 to Double Miyu at 2023 Contender Lima

Yet an injured Hayata/Miwa pair was able to take CM/WMY to the 5th game at the Olympics. Everything depends on how you choose to look at it: half empty vs. half full.
I don't think many people disagree with the lineup. In fact, it's what many including myself have been asking for after Japan screwed themselves over with poor selection systems and by the book lineups for years. The execution just wasn't there when it mattered the most.
 
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