JTTA: Selection System to be Revamped for Paris 2024

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Surprise surprise, I am not someone who spends hours on forum everyday and I have only scanned most of the popular threads here (including 52 pages of this one) in like ten minutes, so I probably don't have a 100% understanding of whatever is going on. Either way, I disagree with the argument that Tony made regardless of whether he's talking about judging based plainly singles or "overall", and I have made that clear so I'm going to stop wasting my time replying to messages.
I do spend a few hours and since you read zeio, you probably do too but that just not as many as I do. My point is that if you don't spend the time, stop coming in as if you know something that the people who spend the time and who are obviously not idiots are overlooking. Like I said, if you really believed this was a statistical argument on just titles and that this is what Tony was doing, you would have compiled a table by now showing all the titles they had and done a count which with Google wouldn't take you more than 10 minutes. But since you haven't, you just want to pretend to have a superior argument but not do any of the hard work to justify it. It's your prerogative, but not the basis for a superior attitude. I have pointed out a few errors in your memory of the history of who won what when, but you continually refuse to acknowledge them. Hopefully, you will stop wasting everyone's time since Tony was talking about his impression of their career achievements/trajectories and their standing in the minds of people, which you can disagree with as I do, but is clearly not just about titles. Thank you.
 
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The injury definitely got in her way and I am sure she did not wish for that.
Do you play table tennis, or do you just argue with people who do? As in do you know how you can prevent her injury and maintain her playing level since you think it is a big issue? Do realize and remember that Hirano was almost out of the Olympics with a similar injury but you never heard a word about it from Hirano.
 
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I do spend a few hours and since you read zeio, you probably do too but that just not as many as I do. My point is that if you don't spend the time, stop coming in as if you know something that the people who spend the time and who are obviously not idiots are overlooking. Like I said, if you really believed this was a statistical argument on just titles and that this is what Tony was doing, you would have compiled a table by now showing all the titles they had and done a count which with Google wouldn't take you more than 10 minutes. But since you haven't, you just want to pretend to have a superior argument but not do any of the hard work to justify it. It's your prerogative, but not the basis for a superior attitude. I have pointed out a few errors in your memory of the history of who won what when, but you continually refuse to acknowledge them. Hopefully, you will stop wasting everyone's time since Tony was talking about his impression of their career achievements/trajectories and their standing in the minds of people, which you can disagree with as I do, but is clearly not just about titles. Thank you.
First off, I never based my arguments purely on titles, since I more than once praised forcing a new generation of CNT players singlehanded. That, as someone pointed out a few pages earlier (or was it you?) is worth more than lots of titles alone. It’s not a purely statistical argument, just statistical enough to keep any biased views out. For example, if you were biased you would argue that Hina’s achieved way more than both Ito and Hirano. Even in singles.
Do you play table tennis, or do you just argue with people who do? As in do you know how you can prevent her injury and maintain her playing level since you think it is a big issue? Do realize and remember that Hirano was almost out of the Olympics with a similar injury but you never heard a word about it from Hirano.
No, of course I am not a professional at preventing injuries, but I am arguing with the previous claim that "her progress is being made at a healthy rate which is shown to be questionable.
 
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Hayata should step aside. Assuming one month preparation she would have to start training around now, doesn't seem like enough time to recover from her severe injury. Looks like JNT are testing out Odo to see if she can break into the main team. Miwa, Odo + Hayata for 2028?
Ito: "I think they should select players who have the potential to beat foreign players."

WTT FEE Panagyurishte 2024
WS QF
Yang Yiyun 0-3 Hashimoto (-9, -8, -8)
G3 84, 811

The difference between Yokoi (who finally won at WTT FEE Muscat 2024) and Odo is highlighted here.

WS SF
Odo 3-1 Han Feier (6, 7, -6, 7)
WS R16
Yokoi 1-3 Han Feier (-6, -8, 4, -9)

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-476699
11 characters for Yokoi - 靠蠻力,球商問題好難解決。 Odo has gotten better in TTQ and will leave Yokoi in the dust at this rate.
 
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Ishida Daisuke has retired as Hayata’s exclusive coach as of end of September’24.

Ishida & Hayata’s statements.
He's a great coach, happy warrior, who has been with her through thick and thin. Best of luck to him.
 
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Ishida Daisuke has retired as Hayata’s exclusive coach as of end of September’24.

Ishida & Hayata’s statements.
Wonder why? Is it because him wanted to retire or she's grew out of his ability to be coached?
 
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Hayata’s T-League affiliation terminated (for now).

“○ Cancellation of player registration
As for Hayata Hina, she is currently concentrating on treating her injury and has no plans to play in the T League for the time being. In order to provide playing opportunities for young players, we have decided to cancel her registration.”

We appreciate your understanding.
 

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Hayata’s T-League affiliation terminated (for now).

“○ Cancellation of player registration
As for Hayata Hina, she is currently concentrating on treating her injury and has no plans to play in the T League for the time being. In order to provide playing opportunities for young players, we have decided to cancel her registration.”

We appreciate your understanding.
Seems like Hayata's injury is more serious than anyone imagined. She might need an extended break of close to a year and recovering to her original level after that will be a real uphill battle.
 
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Seems like Hayata's injury is more serious than anyone imagined. She might need an extended break of close to a year and recovering to her original level after that will be a real uphill battle.
There were indications (plus her IG posts) that it happened during the match with the PRK player. That she laboured on (further aggravated the injury) with SYS and SYB, and actually took a Bronze make it even more memorable and meaningful. Her journey to Paris took longer than her peers, but she has fulfilled her life-long dream to be in the Olympics, and winning a medal there tops her career.
I have no qualms if she CHOOSES to retire.
(but maybe one more medal at World Cup would bring her to Grand Slam-ish success🙂)
 
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The WS bronze is being used as an excuse to cover up Hayata's failure in achieving her lofty goals in the other events, particularly the XD.

As 5ch users share in their comments, Hayata's injury has caused a lot of trouble for the team. That is the Japanese culture - never cause trouble for others. Harimoto's comment after 0-3 Kaufmann is a prime example.

https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1723035308
0074 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:36:04.35
スレの流れ
1 実況は平野を褒めろよ
2 実況は早田のことばかり

日本の応援よりも平野をもっと持ち上げてくれ
という流れ
ID:pIYMcZhB(3/20)
Thread flow
1. The commentators should praise Hirano
2. The commentators are all about Hayata

Rather than cheering for Japan, they should praise Hirano more
That's the flow

0093 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:39:10.98
よく取り切った!ないすー!
早田負傷中のところ、平野頑張ったやん!!
平野、左と組めば最強説あるなw
ダブルスやりたくないんだろうけど。
ID:Fcv0U/Pa(4/35)
You did well to win! Nice!
Hirano did a great job while Hayata was injured!!
Hirano would be the strongest if teamed up with a lefty player lol
She probably didn't want to play doubles though.

0097 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:40:53.09
>>77
しかし中国ダブルスにはしっかり弱点突かれて負けるだろうし
シングルスは早田はほぼ勝てないだろう。
木原の方がよかったと思うが、まあ今さらどうもならんな。
白髪は早田が出ると言ったら服従するだけだ。
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But the CNT doubles will likely exploit their weaknesses and they will lose
And Hayata will have no chance of winning in singles.
I think Kihara would have been better, but oh well now.
White Hair will just submit if Hayata says she wants to play.

0099 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:41:16.23
張本は最後にカウフマンと戦ったの4年前だからどうなるかな
ID:XzqO0L6o(12/48)
Harimoto last played Kaufmann 4 years ago, so I wonder what will happen

0105 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:43:17.57
バトラとアクラに勝ってるのは凄い成長だよな
ID:XzqO0L6o(13/48)
Beating Batra and Akura is a great sign of growth.

0120 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:46:59.53
今大会は早田で全く問題ない
次回大会から団体戦メンバーの決定権は監督に与えるべき
柔道やフェンシングのように
といってもまあ無理だろうけど
1 ID:lRVIlAFC(2/26)
There's absolutely no problem with Hayata in this tournament
From the next tournament onwards, the coach should be given the power to decide who will be in the team matches
Like in judo and fencing
Although that's probably not possible

0123 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:47:47.78
中国戦は3番平野じゃなくて早田がいいかな
ID:rS/W0EVo(11/30)
Would Hayata be better than Hirano at number 3 for the China match?

0124 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:48:03.41
張芋、今大会初めて苦戦中だな。。。
ID:Fcv0U/Pa(6/35)
Harimoto is strugging for the first time in this tournament

0126 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:48:42.36
台上がまだ甘いけどこりゃ強くなる
去年平野と戦った時より経験積んだって感じか
ID:XzqO0L6o(14/48)
The short game is still loose, but this will become stronger
I feel like she [Kaufmann] has gained more experience since playing Hirano last year [at WTTC 2023]

0128 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:48:50.90
早田、敗退したらお前のわがままのせいだぞ
1 ID:em1XEb01(2/6)
Hayata, if we lose, it'll be your own selfishness that's the problem

0129 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:49:14.76
>>120
監督が自由に3人選んでいいという制度でもこの3人を選んだ可能性はかなりある
今の日本の最強の3人だから
ID:Y33fMFX3(10/37)
Even if the manager was free to choose 3 players, there is a good chance he would have chosen these 3
because they are the # strongest players in Japan right now

0134 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:49:56.41
アジア人、中国人ばっか相手にしててそれ以外の卓球に対して経験不足なんじゃねぇの?男子も含めて
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Maybe they only play against Asians and Chinese and don't have enough experience with other types of table tennis? Including men's

0144 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:52:15.68
スレの流れ
1 試合で押されてくると早田の起用を疑問視する書き込み
2 早田のわがままで団体メンバーに早田が入っているという印象操作

とにかく負けそうになったら早田のせいにする流れ
1 ID:pIYMcZhB(8/20)
Thread flow
1. Posts questioning use of Hayata when they are being pushed back in matches
2. Manipulating the impression that Hayata is a team member because of her selfishness

Anyway, if they are to lose, blame Hayata

0149 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:53:03.38
やはり張本は早田、平野、伊藤より弱いです
些細なミスが多くて安心して見れません
ID:cIq8VjiN(3/12)
As expected, Harimoto is weaker than Hayata, Hirano, and Ito
She makes a lot of small mistakes so I can't watch with ease

0191 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 03:58:17.43
早田まで回ったら終わる
ID:em1XEb01(4/6)
It's over once it gets to Hayata

0228 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:01:35.01
まさか昨日の試合で美和ちゃんまで壊されていたとは…
ID:lRVIlAFC(8/26)
I can't believe that even Miwa-chan was destroyed in yesterday's match...

0229 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:01:44.92
平野みたいにシングルス2点するほどの信頼性はできない、張本は経験値が浅くてまだ不安
早田が一番良いがスペ体質で2点使えない

こんなときドイツみたいな相手は伊藤が得意なんだよな。特に異質多いし、カウフマンも強いけど逆チキや異質には強くないから有利。なんなら木原でも良いかもしれん
まぁ中国見据えるなら張本>伊藤ではあるが
1 ID:bNQtyFTx(2/9)
I can't trust her enough to score 2 points in singles like Hirano, and Harimoto is still a bit uneasing because she doesn't have much experience
Hayata is the best, but she has a special body type and can't be used for 2 points

At times like this, Ito is good against opponents like Germany.
There are a lot of combination players, and Kaufmann is strong, but she's not good against strawberry or combination players, so Ito has an advantage. In fact, Kihara might be good too
Still, if you're looking at China, Harimoto > Ito


0238 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:02:35.06
伊藤も16歳の時やらかしたよな
ID:ZOvBLd+7(10/19)
Ito also messed up when she was 16

0256 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:05:29.20
つぎ平野か
1 ID:MB448pAm(11/52)
Hirano next?

0266 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:07:07.16
張本家にとって悪夢の五輪になったな
ID:kZzBHIBQ(1/2)
It's been a nightmare Olympics for the Harimoto family

0267 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:07:09.53
>>256
場慣れしている平野が流れを変えてくれるよ
ID:Y33fMFX3(18/37)
Hirano, who is used to the situation, will be able to change the flow

0286 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:08:26.47
ハリケーン平野を見たとき以来の衝撃
ID:2JDq8WnH(6/6)
The biggest shock since I saw Hurricane Hirano

0291 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:08:44.07
実力では平野だろうけど平野もプレッシャーに弱いからな
美和のあとを引きずるかも知れない
1 ID:32/nWC8d(5/15)
In terms of ability, it's probably Hirano, but Hirano is weak under pressure too
She might follow in Miwa's footsteps

0293 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:09:00.11
過大評価張本
ID:teMbhJaX(2/2)
Harimoto is overrated

0299 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:09:53.23
平野が負けたら敗退も覚悟しないと😨
ID:cIq8VjiN(8/12)
If Hirano loses, we have to prepare for defeat, too

0300 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:09:54.14
ハリケーン行け
ID:MB448pAm(13/52)
Go, Hurricane!

0301 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:10:04.06
団体戦の平野ってそんな頼りない?
2 ID:a0wEuk5H(4/8)
Is Hirano really that unreliable in team matches?

0307 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:10:58.99
団体戦で中国以外の選手に負けたのって久しぶりかな
ID:32/nWC8d(6/15)
It's been a while since the last loss to a player other than China in WT

0310 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:11:23.72
早田がカウフマンに負けるわけないだろww
1 ID:Fcv0U/Pa(13/35)
There is no way Hayata would lose to Kaufmann LOL LOL

0311 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:11:40.88
平野は東京のけいけんがある
ID:MB448pAm(14/52)
It may sound surprising, but Hirano is very reliable

0313 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:12:00.72
カウフマンは相当強い。
早田と同じ利き腕だからバック対決になる。早田厳しいかも。
ID:g4IIwCx5
Kaufman is very strong.
Having the same dominant hand as Hayata, so it will be a BH-to-BH showdown. Hayata might have a tough time.

0318 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:12:26.59
>>301
五輪団体戦は中国以外に負けたことがない
ID:ERQtcmI9(1/2)
Hirano has never lost to anyone other than China in the Olympic team event

0322 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:13:17.11
だから伊藤にしときゃ良かったのよ
ごんなゴリ押し雑魚ウンコ虫が何で代表なのよ
ID:qouzD3Ox
That's why Ito should have been chosen
Why is that pushy small fry dung bettle the representative?

0326 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:14:01.83
ゆうて伊藤美誠もコンディション不良やったしな
ID:e9YCDUs2(11/29)
Ito Mima was also in poor condition

0388 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:25:05.12
平野が頼もしく見える
誰かが誰かをカバーする
これが団体戦だよな
ID:lRVIlAFC(13/26)
Hirano looks reliable
Someone covers for someone else
This is a team match

0397 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:26:35.39
ひな対カウフマン見たくなってきたw
3 ID:IkWTtNCF(7/24)
Now I want to see Hina vs Kaufmann LOL

0426 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:31:48.84
>>397
早田が万全だったら観たいけど今回はフルボッコされる予感しかしない
ID:Mv8EP8Bg(5/14)
I'd like to watch it if Hayata is in perfect condition, but I have a feeling she'll get totally beaten this time

0523 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:47:12.77
怪我の早田がカウフマンに勝てるわけないし敗退か
お疲れ様でした
ID:QlZvOcKN(11/17)
There's no way an injured Hayata can beat Kaufmann, so she's out
Thank you for your hard work

0556 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:51:28.82
むしろ銅メダルで選考会見直しなるならそれはそれでアリ

男子も張本任せで、気の弱い他2匹に銀メダルあげるとか、変に自分達の実力と勘違いされても困るからスウェーデンに負けて良かったまである
1 ID:V6+CgZnQ(2/4)
Rather than that, if the bronze medal results in a review of the selection process, that'd be fine

It was fantastic that the men's team lost to Sweden, since they left it up to Harimoto and put the silver medal in the hands of the other two weak-willed players, and it would be a problem if they were mistaken about their own abilities


0573 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:53:18.78
負傷の早田であのカウフマンに勝つのは現実的でない
実質この美和で決まるな
ID:Mv8EP8Bg(8/14)
It's unrealistic for an injured Hayata to beat Kaufmann
It's going to be decided by Miwa

0583 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 04:54:25.40
チャイナの帰化人vsチャイナの帰化人

本国で勝ち上がれなかった故に国籍利用した人達の戦い…なにを見せられてるんだ…
1 ID:bNQtyFTx(5/9)
Naturalized Chinese vs. Naturalized Chinese

A battle between people who used their nationality because they couldn't win in their home country... What are we being shown?

0746 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 05:13:02.72
早田の位置、多分木原でも銀メダル取れたな…いや森さくらでも長崎でもいけたわ
早田からしたらダブルスでただけで銀メダルだもんな
「リザーブの気持ちは痛いほど分かってる」「私はどうなってもいい」ってコメントしてるのに、ちゃんと銀メダルは死守するの言葉と行動ともなってなくて好き
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In Hayata's position, Kihara probably could have won the silver medal... No, Mori Sakura or Nagasaki could have done it
From Hayata's perspective, just playing doubles was enough to get the silver medal
She commented, "I understand the reserve's feelings all too well," and "I don't care what happens to me," but she didn't back it up with words and actions that said she would do her best to defend the silver medal, which I like

0763 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 05:16:00.82
早田は銀メダルと言いきってしまいそうになって慌てて銀メダル以上と言い直したな
ID:VYa2cQoJ(2/3)
Hayata almost said silver medal, but then quickly corrected and said more than a silver medal [A reference to WTTC 2021 where she told reporters that she was satisifed with a silver medal in WD/XD and the subsequent public backlash]

0929 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 13:51:16.89
>>925
平野母は金メダルが取れるのは美宇しかいないと言ってたので、それを狙える実力があったと思うが?違うのか?
伊藤の印象は人それぞれだから置いといて実績があるのはやはり大きいな。
北朝鮮にやられなければ早田も伊藤と同じ実績を残せたのに残念だ。
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Hirano's mother said that Miu was the only one who could win the gold medal, so I think she had the ability to aim for it? Or was she wrong?
Everyone has a different impression of Ito, so setting that aside, it's still important that she has a track record.
It's a shame that Hayata couldn't have achieved the same results as Ito if she hadn't been defeated by North Korea.

0931 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/08/09(金) 13:55:37.15
>>930
どちらかというと平野のベスト8より五輪の第二シード獲得に向けて頑張ってた混合1回戦敗退の方が失敗じゃね?がむしゃらに国際大会に出てたのがデータを与えすぎて裏目に出た。
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If anything, rather than Hirano's QF finish, isn't it more of a failure that Hayata lost in the 1st round of the XD, for which she tried hard to get the 2nd seed of the Olympics? Her reckless participation in international tournaments backfired, as she gave away too much data.
Japanese amateur shows how to play against Annette Kaufman

 
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1. Find a way to get through the first few shots.
2. Spin it up and slow it down when it gets tight.
3. Minimize unforced errors.

Kaufmann failed on the last one in G1 and it cost her the match whereas Shogo focused on it throughout and made most of his own serve-and-attack count.
 
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This is a rare instance where having so many sidespin serve variations can hurt if you’re not well accustomed to the spin being returned back from passive imperfect returns and the 3rd ball attack pattern she needed to employ.

It seemed to have affected her ability to confidently attack long sidespin serves as the match wore on.

But should be a very good learning experience for her, though at pro level I think her sidespin serves would either be getting a higher quality level of receive (super short or strong attack which she seems well drilled against) or winning the point outright.

Against this opponent she was kind of baited to keep going with sidespin late in the decider from memory of outright winners early from the first set.
 
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That being said Shogo Nakamura can be considered as a semi-pro. He’s a coach and he’s won the Tokyo Open in 30yo category and a semi finalist in the Masters 30yo category. Won all-japan clubs as well. Not much else to win at the amateur level

His instagram page is quite good with many technical advice with short videos.
 
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