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First, you have to know WR#1 isn't an important term to Liu Guo Liang and Chinese coaches. Because they focus on beating the foreigners, the who can beat Timo Boll and others is the best choice. So, even Ma Long beats Zhang Jike many times, it's still not a big threat to Zhang's place.
More, Zhang is more tough when facing a difficult situation. This point catches Liu's eyes i think.
 
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You should read the posts. Liu Gouliang did not have a choice. Ma Long did not qualify to play the singles. Wang Hao and Zhang Jike did. If Liu Gouliang pulled one of those two out so that Ma Long could play in the singles, then China would forfeit its ability to play in the team event. I believe that is how things were.

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In my opinion this is stupid decision..
Ma Long tryed so hard, then one loss to Koki Niwa and he is out..
How many times Zhang lost?

Ok ok .. they have their brain and I think this was not a good idea..
I hope Timo wins it!

You might have just said the answere. Since Ma Long lost to Koki Niwa, he showed there it is possible for him to lose against weaker players. And since China wants the gold, they can not let that happen.
 
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You might have just said the answere. Since Ma Long lost to Koki Niwa, he showed there it is possible for him to lose against weaker players. And since China wants the gold, they can not let that happen.

Once again, Ma Long's performance in the past 6-9 months has had no influence at all on the players that are send to the Singles. Even if he wouldn't have lost a game since the 2011 WTTC he would not be playing the Singles... It is because of the two-player restriction and the qualification procedure. Only injury can force a replacement, like what happened to Guo Yan. But Wang Hao and Zhang Jike are not injured, so they will play Singles. It's been like this from the start..
 
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You might have just said the answere. Since Ma Long lost to Koki Niwa, he showed there it is possible for him to lose against weaker players. And since China wants the gold, they can not let that happen.


London open, Zhang Jike lost to Tomáš Konečný from Czech rep. who is ranked like.. what.. 200?
 
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So if Liu Guoliang cant make anything with this selection, still I am happy for Timo Boll!
I think he is in real chance here, I think if he can get some right tactics against Zhang, or Wang Hao..
Just .. being Timo I might ask Waldner for match coaching.. really.. I dont think that last time he faced Zhang .. tactics to play all into Zhang forehand was a right one..
Waldner is the one who can think of new solutions, how to win!
Rossi was never that good and so Timo..
But still, he has great chance of winning Olympics now, Timo ;)
 
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You should read the posts. Liu Gouliang did not have a choice. Ma Long did not qualify to play the singles. Wang Hao and Zhang Jike did. If Liu Gouliang pulled one of those two out so that Ma Long could play in the singles, then China would forfeit its ability to play in the team event. I believe that is how things were.

I haven't read that Ma Long didn't qualify sorry!
 
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I haven't read that Ma Long didn't qualify sorry!

Then you should read the posts. Here in this thread is the information. Unfortunately nobody is ready them though.

Here is the information again.

The first two slots on the Chinese team were filled based on the World Ranking of the top two players from each country with players in the top 28 as of May 2011. That was directly after the 2011 World Championships Singles event. At that time Wang Hao was #1, Zhang Jike was #3 (Timo was #2). Wang Hao and Zhang Jike were the two highest ranked players for China at that time. Ma Long was ranked 5th behind Ma Lin's 4th.

Because they were the two top ranked players for China at that time, they qualified for the Singles event in the Olympics.

That is also why those two did not need to play in the Asian qualifications tournament that was held recently.

Liu Gouliang's confidence in Ma Long was expressed by the fact that Ma Long is the only player China sent to the Asian Olympics Qualification Tournament. Liu Gouliang knew, without much question, that Ma Long would qualify. But since the two singles slots were already filled, what Ma Long qualified for was the Team Event. NOT THE SINGLES EVENT. If Liu Gouliang really wanted Ma Long to play, he could pull Wang Hao or Zhang Jike out and put Ma Long in, but if he did that: CHINA WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FIELD A TEAM FOR THE TEAM EVENT.

To China, I think, winning the Team Competition is as important as winning the Gold in Singles. So it is not a real choice to take one of two players, both of whom are good enough to beat everybody who will be there, and either of whom, if they win, will complete a GRAND SLAM. That is Right, if Wang Hao wins, he has his Grand Slam; If Zhang Jike wins he has his Grand Slam one tournament after the next.

If you want to blame someone for Ma Long not being in the singles event, the ITTF was trying to solve the problem that The Olympic Committee was threatening to throw Table Tennis out of the Olympics because of how dominant China has been in winning medals in the Olympics. The ITTF came up with a solution. Only two players in the singles event for each country. That means that, at least China cannot win gold silver and bronze all in the same year. The problem with the qualification process is that, perhaps the first part of it should not have been based on rankings from 14 months before the Olympic games begin. Perhaps they should have been based on a series of months up to April or March of 2012. But, Ma Long was #5 and the #4 player for China in May of 2011 in terms of ranking and only the top two qualified for a spot in the Olympic Singles event.
 
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I haven't read that Ma Long didn't qualify sorry!

Then you should read the posts. Here in this thread is the information. Unfortunately nobody is ready them though.

Here is the information again.

The first two slots on the Chinese team were filled based on the World Ranking of the top two players from each country with players in the top 28 as of May 2011. That was directly after the 2011 World Championships Singles event. At that time Wang Hao was #1, Zhang Jike was #3 (Timo was #2). Wang Hao and Zhang Jike were the two highest ranked players for China at that time. Ma Long was ranked 5th behind Ma Lin's 4th.

Because they were the two top ranked players for China at that time, they qualified for the Singles event in the Olympics.

That is also why those two did not need to play in the Asian qualifications tournament that was held recently.

Liu Gouliang's confidence in Ma Long was expressed by the fact that Ma Long is the only player China sent to the Asian Olympics Qualification Tournament. Liu Gouliang knew, without much question, that Ma Long would qualify. But since the two singles slots were already filled, what Ma Long qualified for was the Team Event. NOT THE SINGLES EVENT. If Liu Gouliang really wanted Ma Long to play, he could pull Wang Hao or Zhang Jike out and put Ma Long in, but if he did that: CHINA WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FIELD A TEAM FOR THE TEAM EVENT.

To China, I think, winning the Team Competition is as important as winning the Gold in Singles. So it is not a real choice to take one of two players, both of whom are good enough to beat everybody who will be there, and either of whom, if they win, will complete a GRAND SLAM. That is Right, if Wang Hao wins, he has his Grand Slam; If Zhang Jike wins he has his Grand Slam one tournament after the next.

If you want to blame someone for Ma Long not being in the singles event, the ITTF was trying to solve the problem that The Olympic Committee was threatening to throw Table Tennis out of the Olympics because of how dominant China has been in winning medals in the Olympics. The ITTF came up with a solution. Only two players in the singles event for each country. That means that, at least China cannot win gold silver and bronze all in the same year. The problem with the qualification process is that, perhaps the first part of it should not have been based on rankings from 14 months before the Olympic games begin. Perhaps they should have been based on a series of months up to April or March of 2012. But, Ma Long was #5 and the #4 player for China in May of 2011 in terms of ranking and only the top two qualified for a spot in the Olympic Singles event.
 
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Once again, Ma Long's performance in the past 6-9 months has had no influence at all on the players that are send to the Singles. Even if he wouldn't have lost a game since the 2011 WTTC he would not be playing the Singles... It is because of the two-player restriction and the qualification procedure. Only injury can force a replacement, like what happened to Guo Yan. But Wang Hao and Zhang Jike are not injured, so they will play Singles. It's been like this from the start..

I am sorry, because my browser was on this page from just after your post and I didn't update it before posting. So that way I could not read the other posts... But now that I have read them, I see the point. Anyway, I think it is right to not choose Ma Long, since ZJK and Wang Hao have greater chances of winning these big ones in my eyes.. Ma Long is not so strong in mind as the other to ;) Even if he could choose freely, I think Liu would have gone for ZJK and Wang Hao. But next time in Rio, if Ma is qualifying, I think he will let him play, and I hope so because he is probably better :)
 
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I am sorry, because my browser was on this page from just after your post and I didn't update it before posting. So that way I could not read the other posts... But now that I have read them, I see the point. Anyway, I think it is right to not choose Ma Long, since ZJK and Wang Hao have greater chances of winning these big ones in my eyes.. Ma Long is not so strong in mind as the other to ;) Even if he could choose freely, I think Liu would have gone for ZJK and Wang Hao. But next time in Rio, if Ma is qualifying, I think he will let him play, and I hope so because he is probably better :)

Ok :) I think Ma would have played if Liu could choose freely. There has to be one point where he gets the confidence from the staff, and it should be one of these years, since he is doing well. But on the other hand it's not that bad after all. Olympics are so rare... You just need luck to make it there. If you only take into account the fact that Wang Liqin himself never won the Olympics, nobody in the world has the right to complain about missing out on it ;)
 
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I knew how it worked because Carl has explained it many times already which I am glad for. But I had some hope that at the end a miracle would happen and I am not talking about an accident ocurring either to Wang Hao or Zhang Jike. IMO it is not fair for Ma since he is at his prime.
Now just good luck to Zhang Jike which he has plenty already by not facing his nemesis in the events that matter the most and expect Ma to keep up his condition till the olimpics of 2016...
 
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The real shame here is that the ITTF, trying to do its best with the reality of the situation, devised a system where, it was possible for the current #1 ranked player in the world not to qualify for the singles event.

Can't agree more, its a strange system.
Maybe ITTF should promote table tennis more in Europe/US, so china is not mega dominant in the future because of more european/american players.
 
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