the rating game

[kukamonga]

here's another match of "guy in red".
he's pretty good actually, maybe 2150?

the other two, deceptive and left handed probably around 2400?

 

[Der_Echte]

Sticking to just the first vid...

Guy in Blue is clearly better. He is at LEAST 1.5 levels better or his game vs that person is. AND that guy is doing it playing safe shots not going for too much, unless it is clearly there. Dude looks kinda like a Hispanic version of Rich DeWitt playing with a modern control rubber that is less than a few months old.

The question is what is the rating and it is a good question. Some of there shots look sloppy at first on the serves, but that could be 'cause they serve well. The one who lost this match would be close to 2000 on East Coast USA. Using my 1.5 level formula, the winner wearing blue has gotta be over 2150, could be higher, he won with ease. In Korea, if you win by an average of 5 points, you are 4 levels better player. That would make me want to say dude in blue is 2300+ but until I face that guy and have him play vs a few I know in tourneys, I would never know.

 

[Gene Tuttle]

Apparently after 24 years off I have no clue as to the rating of a player. I thought they were rated lower. I hope this translates into a decent rating in a few weeks at the tournament in Tyler. I have holes in my service/receive game as well as my footwork but we will see.

 

[ttmonster]

As long as you can keep the ball on the table one more time than your opponent , nothing else matters

Apparently after 24 years off I have no clue as to the rating of a player. I thought they were rated lower. I hope this translates into a decent rating in a few weeks at the tournament in Tyler. I have holes in my service/receive game as well as my footwork but we will see.

 

[NextLevel]

As long as you can keep the ball on the table one more time than your opponent , nothing else matters

Yes. The most important loop in the world isn't Ma Long's loop, it is the loop that helps you put your opponent's shot back on the table. It's the fan boys that are obsessed with Ma Long's loop. Experienced players just accept that their technique is what it is and make it better suited to getting more balls on the table with quality as best they can.

 

[Der_Echte]

Apparently after 24 years off I have no clue as to the rating of a player. I thought they were rated lower. I hope this translates into a decent rating in a few weeks at the tournament in Tyler. I have holes in my service/receive game as well as my footwork but we will see.

Gene, I would love to see you taking in a major haul of ratings points, that would indicate you did well, especially vs some randy boyz rated much higher. I would be even happier for you if you won your division or made the finals. I think that is the ultimate measure for the day and over time.

 

[Gene Tuttle]

Exactly.Same as golf. If you leave a putt short you will never,ever 0% get it in the hole. At least if you putt long you have a chance, no mater how small of making the putt and scoring well. Sometimes you try to limit the damage not win outright and stay in the game. Taking the long game approach has obvious advantages over the reflexive game. If you have ever played a proficient chopper you know what I mean. Trying to kill the one slightly high return is attractive but if its a 30% winner you should slowly work your opponent out of position, keeping the ball in play till you can find the opening. Table tennis is a pass/fail exercise on each point and you are not graded on creativity on lost points.

 

[Gene Tuttle]

My really worry is that over time my lack of conditioning will cause me to fail. I have to take the long term approach to the game and realize that I may want ot play now but will not be at my best. I really appreciate your support.

 

[NextLevel]

Exactly.Same as golf. If you leave a putt short you will never,ever 0% get it in the hole. At least if you putt long you have a chance, no mater how small of making the putt and scoring well. Sometimes you try to limit the damage not win outright and stay in the game. Taking the long game approach has obvious advantages over the reflexive game. If you have ever played a proficient chopper you know what I mean. Trying to kill the one slightly high return is attractive but if its a 30% winner you should slowly work your opponent out of position, keeping the ball in play till you can find the opening. Table tennis is a pass/fail exercise on each point and you are not graded on creativity on lost points.

No, you aren't, but if you enjoy playing beautiful points, play them and forget the score.

 

[Gene Tuttle]

Next level I have to admit sometimes I fall out of my regular pattern of third ball attack(and I know this sounds odd) because I enjoy the feel of the ball sinking into the sponge on a hard counter topspin and playing an allround game vs an attack profile and I enjoy it when the exchange goes long regardless of the outcome. However this doesn't always win me the point even if its fun. I guess I need to learn to combine the fun/win.

 

[Der_Echte]

Gene, you can be medically or physically challenged to move more than exactly one step to a ball (and hope you win the point or opponent blocks it real slow) and still compete at a high level.

Boston TTC has two HARBAT players who are 2000 USATT level in hardbat vs inverted matchups. They are both tough. Both of them couldn't take more than one step without doing the humeptey-dumeptey crash and burn routine. It isn't they are obese, they just have really crappy knees, so bad it makes NL look like fountain of youth.

Both of these hardbat warriors stay close to the table and skill you away into the loss column if you don't bring it strong and fight tonite.

I'll cheer you on all the way from the east coast and cho so loud your gym 1500 miles away will shake. Play your game, fight, compete, and win. If you can't win, find a way to have fun and learn a thing or two about it all. Unleash a little Nexy action on their collective azz.

 

[Der_Echte]

Next level I have to admit sometimes I fall out of my regular pattern of third ball attack(and I know this sounds odd) because I enjoy the feel of the ball sinking into the sponge on a hard counter topspin and playing an allround game vs an attack profile and I enjoy it when the exchange goes long regardless of the outcome. However this doesn't always win me the point even if its fun. I guess I need to learn to combine the fun/win.

Don't sweat it Gene, EVERYONE knows Next Level likes to "Put Heavy Topspin on the Ball" to the extent to make Rambo go scramble for cover.

 

[NextLevel]

Don't sweat it Gene, EVERYONE knows Next Level likes to "Put Heavy Topspin on the Ball" to the extent to make Rambo go scramble for cover.

NextLevel has NUTHIN', NUTHIN', as in YOU AIN'T NUTHTIN' on DerEchte when it comes to putting Heavy Topspin on the ball. In fact, DerEchte lives to spin first and ask questions later. Be, I just try to spin because if I do anything else, I will miss the table.

 

[Gene Tuttle]

You guys kill me as I have seen you both play in videos and someday hope to get to where you are on serve return and drives. Thanks for your support. Really.

 

[Der_Echte]

NextLevel has NUTHIN', NUTHIN', as in YOU AIN'T NUTHTIN' on DerEchte when it comes to putting Heavy Topspin on the ball. In fact, DerEchte lives to spin first and ask questions later. Be, I just try to spin because if I do anything else, I will miss the table.

hahahahaahh and sum moar HAHA.

So right, I attempt to put a level of heavy topspin on the ball that is several exponential factors higher than the guy in the vid luvin' hiz heavy topspin.

I don't always succeed though.

Haha, Der_Echte likes to put heavy topspin on the ball many times more than the type of player in the vid Greg L. is making fun of, and I get ZERO hard time about it haha just hilarious. I rarely get away with anything and I got the wool over everyone on this, or no one gives a crap.

Hmmm, prolly is just that no one gives a crap, we all like us sum heavy topspin sometimes.

 

[Der_Echte]

You guys kill me as I have seen you both play in videos and someday hope to get to where you are on serve return and drives. Thanks for your support. Really.

Sticking to the topic of serves (and you gotta read NL's running blog about imroving his serves and receive over at OOAK forum)...

I frequenlty and publically say that Bogeyhunter (our Nexy USA CEO by chance) showed me 10-15 minutes of theory and a small amount of technique to consider in the area of serves in 2007 when I was a newb recreational player of 1400 USATT level...

The results of that 10-15 minute speech and my many failures and many hours are evident. I did 3-5 minutes a day serve practice while on a 15 month tour in iraq in the telephone trailer, came back and shot up to low 1600s with zero regular play for over a year.

it can be done.

I oughta cut/paste my remarks on that matter I recently made at OOAK.

OK, it waz TTD on Bobpuls' thread...

I was probably the absolute WORST my first few sessions trying to learn a short serve. It was so comical, the government had to move in, take over, then quickly classified those vids of it in the best interests for public health. If they had became public like youtube can make stuff public, the entire population in the world would develop severe muscular damage and paralysis from convulsion laughing without end at my epic fail(s) at attempting short serves. I did everything a body could do wrong and found ways to do stuff wrong no one had ever gotten wrong.

 

[Gene Tuttle]

The guy in red is the one in the daisy duke shorts at the top of the frame/North at start of the video?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Exactly.Same as golf.

Darn it. Now I know what I've been doing wrong in golf. I always though that the main goal of golf was to drink as many beers as possible while driving around in that little cart.

Gene, you can be medically or physically challenged...

If it is medically, can it be from self medicating?

 

[kukamonga]

In first video the guy in black may look like he is just passing the ball but he is not.
Guy in red is unable to identify how much spin is on the ball that's why he loses 11-5 with the other guy looping just once or twice.
To me that's a huge difference, it's like the black guy hasn't even started to play yet.

If we take nextlevel as example, I'd say guy in red is maybe 2000, 2100 as well.
If we look at the video there is a huge difference between both so that puts black in 2400 at least.

 

[kukamonga]

Yes. The most important loop in the world isn't Ma Long's loop, it is the loop that helps you put your opponent's shot back on the table. It's the fan boys that are obsessed with Ma Long's loop. Experienced players just accept that their technique is what it is and make it better suited to getting more balls on the table with quality as best they can.

I think you are mistaking guy in black as a guy who can only do as in the first video.
he does that to players that allow him to, watch the second video, he never does that.