Video Footage Safe Thread

[SleepyMaster]

Yeah, for different reasons I used to get sometime 3 hrs before driving another 3 to play. But I am older now with family, not going to do that any time soon.

Yes the black on black guy looked interesting as well. Even the pips guy looked better in the solo video but again too passive. The green guy needs better serve, but these are all decent players, playing people always feels different from watching them. And the camera angle was doing them no favors.

Well I guess we just have to wait for a better camera and sleep day!

My coach is 61, sleeping for 4 hours and saying that he is feeling good, but when we became older the amount of sleep that would be counting as healthy is decreasing, and it’s a science approved fact.

Those guys are good, and can give me some really nice of a challenge even when I’m in 100% condition, and especially, when I was a sleepy sloth. For my humble opinion, all of the guys will improve from better serving, but as I told, almost no one is practicing it, in an amateur circle. People just like to play - it’s is much more fun. Understandable.

From such an angle it looks like it looks, all of the amateurs is looking worst than they are feeling they are, or playing. We used to look at Ma, and FZD, and others pros on a video.

Maybe I will recording better angle if I can, maybe I’m not. Tomorrow is tourney day. I’m not understand, how it will helping me, to improve my game for now. There is always be some part of the game that is looking like slow, bad opponent, etc..

But anyway, thanks for taking part in it

 

[NDH]

Those guys are good, and can give me some really nice of a challenge even when I’m in 100% condition, and especially, when I was a sleepy sloth. For my humble opinion, all of the guys will improve from better serving, but as I told, almost no one is practicing it, in an amateur circle. People just like to play - it’s is much more fun. Understandable.

There's a few things I'd say after watching the videos, and you allude to it in this comment.

Firstly, play always looks slower than you think it is - It feels fast and fluid at the time, but the video doesn't always look the same way.

Pips players at this level cause very similar problems across the globe! They slow things down, cause some awkward shots that you don't usually practice against, and overall, make the game look sloppy.

That will change when you improve and your pips opponents improve.

But I think your comment is a good one.

Your level in matchplay is below your level in training, but your opponents probably have a higher matchplay level than their training level.

You will only get better in matches as you play more of them and your experience grows - I've seen some VERY good training partners who look so poor in matches because they don't have the experience.

For you, I would say to continue with the training, and just play as many matches as you can - Eventually, those awkward pips players (and other awkward people you aren't used to) will become much easier to play.

 

[NextLevel]

My coach is 61, sleeping for 4 hours and saying that he is feeling good, but when we became older the amount of sleep that would be counting as healthy is decreasing, and it’s a science approved fact.

Those guys are good, and can give me some really nice of a challenge even when I’m in 100% condition, and especially, when I was a sleepy sloth. For my humble opinion, all of the guys will improve from better serving, but as I told, almost no one is practicing it, in an amateur circle. People just like to play - it’s is much more fun. Understandable.

From such an angle it looks like it looks, all of the amateurs is looking worst than they are feeling they are, or playing. We used to look at Ma, and FZD, and others pros on a video.

Maybe I will recording better angle if I can, maybe I’m not. Tomorrow is tourney day. I’m not understand, how it will helping me, to improve my game for now. There is always be some part of the game that is looking like slow, bad opponent, etc..

But anyway, thanks for taking part in it

We are playing for fun but there is always stuff to improve especially against the players that beat us. The thing about the video is that the speed of play showed very little that challenged you so the things to help you play faster don't really make a big difference when you are not challenged. So even if you felt not so sharp with less hours of sleep, your camera knew who to film to make you look good lol. Hopefully it can make more interesting choices next time.

 

[SleepyMaster]

There's a few things I'd say after watching the videos, and you allude to it in this comment.

Firstly, play always looks slower than you think it is - It feels fast and fluid at the time, but the video doesn't always look the same way.

Pips players at this level cause very similar problems across the globe! They slow things down, cause some awkward shots that you don't usually practice against, and overall, make the game look sloppy.

That will change when you improve and your pips opponents improve.

But I think your comment is a good one.

Your level in matchplay is below your level in training, but your opponents probably have a higher matchplay level than their training level.

You will only get better in matches as you play more of them and your experience grows - I've seen some VERY good training partners who look so poor in matches because they don't have the experience.

For you, I would say to continue with the training, and just play as many matches as you can - Eventually, those awkward pips players (and other awkward people you aren't used to) will become much easier to play.

Yeah, I totally understand that practice matches is everything. I have some basics: topspin strokes, blocks, and some serves - I understand it too.

I can’t jump over my head too, and the guys has years of experience over me on the table and much more matches in their pocket, thats understandable too, so, I should play play play - there are no other way if I want to progress. But playing matches that’s the most fun part that I enjoy in TT - so I will keep doing it.

I like when pip players visiting our tourney, there are few of them. Two sides pips, one side pips. I feel like it make my ball feeling better, and I became more precise in what exact part of the ball I should hit and why.

For me the level that i have achieved is far from what I want to achieve - but if I can keep up with the top of the team, and they appreciated me as one of the good players - that’s already a sign, that I’m going in right direction

 

[SleepyMaster]

We are playing for fun but there is always stuff to improve especially against the players that beat us. The thing about the video is that the speed of play showed very little that challenged you so the things to help you play faster don't really make a big difference when you are not challenged. So even if you felt not so sharp with less hours of sleep, your camera knew who to film to make you look good lol. Hopefully it can make more interesting choices next time.

Those slow moments also where results of my, not so bad of a serve, when the opp trying go against the rotation to other side of the table (as pip guy always did against backhand sidetop spin serve - but by that he became very predictable)or I just simply fooled them what type of serve it is, so the ball is travelling slower/higher than usually, and I attacked them.

There is no point for me to showing some kind of short to short pushing battles, or a big amount of bad serve receives from me, or my opponents for example, when ball goes into the net or out of the table. And there was a lot of thing like that - I didn’t publishing it just bc it’s not fun to watch.

But I have uploaded moments, when we exchanged some nice shots with each other - again it’s highlight - it should be some kind fun to watch. That’s why it is looking like that - if you find it as bad, I don’t mind it. I just do it for the fun.

I also uploaded set with piped guy - for the better whole picture vision😉.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

NL
This is the kid I was talking about that started around 1350
In this video, he was 1 months with us.

If you will be in the US nationals next week, you can see him there

I saw him practice underspin feed yesterday with one of the 2400 players.
His whole body movement has improved a lot.
If his mind is there, he should be able to challenge 2000 this year.

 

[NextLevel]

NL
This is the kid I was talking about that started around 1350
In this video, he was 1 months with us.

If you will be in the US nationals next week, you can see him there

I saw him practice underspin feed yesterday with one of the 2400 players.
His whole body movement has improved a lot.
If his mind is there, he should be able to challenge 2000 this year.

Sadly, in a year where the nationals is being hosted only 30 minutes from me, I have to travel with my wife for her friend's birthday. Life...

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

NL
This is the kid I was talking about that started around 1350
In this video, he was 1 months with us.

If you will be in the US nationals next week, you can see him there

I saw him practice underspin feed yesterday with one of the 2400 players.
His whole body movement has improved a lot.
If his mind is there, he should be able to challenge 2000 this year.

Best win was 19xx player.
Worse loss was 16xx player

So not quite 2000 yet, but at 11 year old, and 1 year training with the professional team, I think he will be around 1700~1800.

1350 to 1700 in a year and a bit, is that okay?
I checked, he finishes last year's US Open at just under 1500

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Believe me, I understand. I trained with a robot for years exactly because of this availability benefit. And the less you use it, and the more real coaching you have, the less harm it could do.

I agree,
program robot is actually not ideal.
until robot has AI to read the player and to alter the placement, the speed, the arc, the spin, then maybe half of the drill can be worth while.
The other half? it need a blade/rubber touching the ball, for sound, need an arm, for movement.

Still can't find replacement for human feeders.
I do however have some suggestions for Wrighty, but the area does look a bit small. Maybe, Wrighty, we can private chat so I can understand more of your robot + area, and see if you could add some drills that could benefit you more, than just jumping around and hitting the ball, which you could do with your eyes closed if your memory is good enough

 

[Wrighty67]

I agree,
program robot is actually not ideal.
until robot has AI to read the player and to alter the placement, the speed, the arc, the spin, then maybe half of the drill can be worth while.
The other half? it need a blade/rubber touching the ball, for sound, need an arm, for movement.

Still can't find replacement for human feeders.
I do however have some suggestions for Wrighty, but the area does look a bit small. Maybe, Wrighty, we can private chat so I can understand more of your robot + area, and see if you could add some drills that could benefit you more, than just jumping around and hitting the ball, which you could do with your eyes closed if your memory is good enough

Thank you for taking the time - I’d appreciate that

 

[ShoutGuy]

Hi everyone, I need help with my Backhand Drive and Backhand Loop Against underspin. I'm not used to multiball, it's pretty exhausting at the end. I start with forehand loop and backhand + forehand drive combination and at 2:10 min of the video I start forehand loop + backhand loop against backspin drills.
Feel free to give feedback on everything but I would appreciate it if you guys focused on the backhand

 

[NextLevel]

Hi everyone, I need help with my Backhand Drive and Backhand Loop Against underspin. I'm not used to multiball, it's pretty exhausting at the end. I start with forehand loop and backhand + forehand drive combination and at 2:10 min of the video I start forehand loop + backhand loop against backspin drills.
Feel free to give feedback on everything but I would appreciate it if you guys focused on the backhand

You are a good player so forgive me if my advice is not what you are looking for. While you clearly use your body much better on your forehand than backhand, there is some disconnect there as well. But since your focus is the backhand, try to see if you can actually take the racket backwards and form a C-shape with your elbow and the racket. Then play with a bit more lower arm swinging towards the ball. This should be combined with some bowing and unbowikg or some hip thrusting/rolling. I will try to find video later - right now you are mostly swinging with the arm. If you even rotated the hips a little or rolled them to add power so you could feel the upper body swinging into the ball, that would give you something extra. In general you just need to add some power from the body/ground to what you already do, or build a better technique with better arm usage. Don't extend the arm so much, keep the elbow bent throughout the backhand stroke and feel as if you are pulling your racket into the ball.

 

[ShoutGuy]

You are a good player so forgive me if my advice is not what you are looking for. While you clearly use your body much better on your forehand than backhand, there is some disconnect there as well. But since your focus is the backhand, try to see if you can actually take the racket backwards and form a C-shape with your elbow and the racket. Then play with a bit more lower arm swinging towards the ball. This should be combined with some bowing and unbowikg or some hip thrusting/rolling. I will try to find video later - right now you are mostly swinging with the arm. If you even rotated the hips a little or rolled them to add power so you could feel the upper body swinging into the ball, that would give you something extra. In general you just need to add some power from the body/ground to what you already do, or build a better technique with better arm usage. Don't extend the arm so much, keep the elbow bent throughout the backhand stroke and feel as if you are pulling your racket into the ball.

Whenever I tried to use body rotation on my backhand I lost my timing completely and then I gave up. Maybe I was trying to use too much. I'll try to use more body gradually, thank you very much. But why not extend my arms, that makes me lose stability? Thank you again

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Hi everyone, I need help with my Backhand Drive and Backhand Loop Against underspin. I'm not used to multiball, it's pretty exhausting at the end. I start with forehand loop and backhand + forehand drive combination and at 2:10 min of the video I start forehand loop + backhand loop against backspin drills.
Feel free to give feedback on everything but I would appreciate it if you guys focused on the backhand

@ShoutGuy
hello i do quite often this exercise with multiball. I think I can give a couple of advice

1) First of all, there is something you do very wrong. you stay too much still between each balls. One of the goals of multiball, whatever the exercise, is to improve your footwork and become faster in matchplay. in this case imagine you are playing a match against a chopper. you need to bounce between every ball, if the feeding is too slow bounce not once but even twice between each ball. you really need to be ALWAYS in movement in any multiball exercise, even if the pitch is slow it is a good habit to take.

actually you will find out that for this particular exercise being always in movement is one of the key in success because it will enable you to do the footwork adjustment to be in a good position to execute your shot, both on FH and BH side. Remember this feeling when playing against choppers.

2) I can see a few reasons why you miss your BH shot.

- as you say your timing is off. one cause is that you are not in front of the ball. its coming a little bit right or left and because you're still at the beginning you're either not moving at all, or being late, or off balance with the weight of your body only on one leg.

- I think to have a better timing its better to keep your racket high and only when the ball approaches start to take the backswing lowering the racket and executing a fast stroke.

- another reason that I can see is that your image of the shot is wrong. it should be more forward than you think and not upwards. so maybe you need to adjust a little bit also your distance from the table. but more importantly you should swing more forward. I can see that your stance is wide, however your knees are not really bent forward, and your upper body is a bit too straight. bend it forward more.

- then you try to go too much with the wrist and not enough with the arm. actually when youre close to the table like you are, I think its not necessary to use much the forearm. try to lock the forearm and the elbow as much as possible and just use the arm and the wrist. its much easier than to make a full swing and if you have a good rubber as im sure you do, and use the power of your legs properly too, its more than enough to make a power shot. if you use this technique you will be much more consistent too.

- at the end of your stroke the tip of your racket ends up at noon or even more. I think you should image to have it finish much earlier, id dare to say even before 9 oclock for more control and consistency

 

[NextLevel]

Whenever I tried to use body rotation on my backhand I lost my timing completely and then I gave up. Maybe I was trying to use too much. I'll try to use more body gradually, thank you very much. But why not extend my arms, that makes me lose stability? Thank you again

Whenever you learn a new stroke, losing your timing is normal. The key is whether there is something that allows you to do more with less. You should be able to use less upper arm and more wrist with hip rotation or thrusting. You may need to find a new contact point on the ball and change your swing trajectory slightly to take advantage of the new power and adjust the timing.

The reduction of arn straightening is to keep your elbow stable and arm in a shape that enables the body to put powerful spin behind it with quick recovery. In fact if you watch someone like Lin Yun Ju on many strokes, his elbow is coming backwards where yours is going straightening out. If your body usage improves, you can straighten the arm again if you think you need it in some counters. But right now. It looks to me that you are trying to get more out of your arm because the body usage is not there. If you used the body and arm better, then you would be able to do much more with less.

Start with slower spin. Don't focus on quality first. Building up new stroke takes time. But I remind people that even if it takes a year you will still be playing in a year. What causes problems is that people want a good stroke today. Rather than a good stroke in a month.

 

[NDH]

Hi everyone, I need help with my Backhand Drive and Backhand Loop Against underspin. I'm not used to multiball, it's pretty exhausting at the end. I start with forehand loop and backhand + forehand drive combination and at 2:10 min of the video I start forehand loop + backhand loop against backspin drills.
Feel free to give feedback on everything but I would appreciate it if you guys focused on the backhand

Hey ShoutGuy,

Firstly, is the other guy your coach or just a friend feeding balls.

If he's your coach, what does he say?

Something as specific as shot positioning is VERY difficult to explain in the written word.

The absolute biggest issue I can see is that your on your heels (weight is going backwards), not forward.

You need to take a step back and hit into the ball with your weight either well balanced in the middle, or preferably going forward slightly.

You also need to be a little looser with your arm. At the moment, it looks like you are trying to do too much with just your wrist, but your wrist and your arm need to work together a little better.

There are 100's of videos of professionals with perfect technique..... But for whatever reason, I never get much from from when I watch 😂 Maybe it's the fact I'll never be that good, so it doesn't feel real!

So here's a video of my backhand vs backspin, which I feel is a pretty decent shot*

Obviously I'm much bigger than you (weight/height!) and I'm not getting consistent balls back which isn't ideal.

But hopefully you can see what I mean when I said about the weight transfer going forward, and your arm being a little looser.

BH starts from 02:53

* There are lots of imperfect things about my backhand I know! 😅

 

[NextLevel]

Whenever I tried to use body rotation on my backhand I lost my timing completely and then I gave up. Maybe I was trying to use too much. I'll try to use more body gradually, thank you very much. But why not extend my arms, that makes me lose stability? Thank you again

So this is the first backhand topspin I learned years ago and is still the foundation of my instinctive backhand though I play many other kinds of backhand topspins as well. I think his explanations are how I would justify the recommendations. And don't think his advice to hit self multiball is just for beginners. I built a lot of my strokes that way and still do it when I have a bucket of balls and no one to hit with. It helps you know what you are really trying to do befor pressure of a ball comes in. And when the ball comes in, you want to focus on doing what you multivalled. Not putting the ball on the table.

 

[ShoutGuy]

Thanks a lot @NextLevel and @Takkyu_wa_inochi, you guys gave me very good advices.

Hey ShoutGuy,

Firstly, is the other guy your coach or just a friend feeding balls.

If he's your coach, what does he say?

Just my friend, he is a chopper he doesn't have a backhand topspin. Really nice video, your backhand loop is very good, very imprenssive. Thanks for your feedback

 

[ander999]

Hi everyone, I need help with my Backhand Drive and Backhand Loop Against underspin. I'm not used to multiball, it's pretty exhausting at the end. I start with forehand loop and backhand + forehand drive combination and at 2:10 min of the video I start forehand loop + backhand loop against backspin drills.
Feel free to give feedback on everything but I would appreciate it if you guys focused on the backhand

Firstly it is worth mentioning that your body is too stiff. Being stiff hinders your ability to move more freely. Try to stay a little on your toes and relax your feet.

In regard to your backhand, the way I usually teach it, it is like throwing a frisbee. Practically the same exact movement. You want to start a little more towards your left waist (since you are righty, and the opposite for lefties) and essentially "throw a frisbee" while contacting the ball. Although I don't have a great video, here is one of me doing it.

For looping, you want to go less forward and more up, especially on heavy backspin. However, for balls with not much spin or high ones, you can go more forward.

Most importantly, start by doing it with 20% effort and then gradually increase. There is no point full sending every shot from the beginning as you will lose consistency.

Hope this helps.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Firstly it is worth mentioning that your body is too stiff. Being stiff hinders your ability to move more freely. Try to stay a little on your toes and relax your feet.

In regard to your backhand, the way I usually teach it, it is like throwing a frisbee. Practically the same exact movement. You want to start a little more towards your left waist (since you are righty, and the opposite for lefties) and essentially "throw a frisbee" while contacting the ball. Although I don't have a great video, here is one of me doing it.

For looping, you want to go less forward and more up, especially on heavy backspin. However, for balls with not much spin or high ones, you can go more forward.

Most importantly, start by doing it with 20% effort and then gradually increase. There is no point full sending every shot from the beginning as you will lose consistency.

Hope this helps.

Ander, your comment is good and useful and I like that you added a video of you to demonstrate what you mean.

I want you to read below and then PM me. If you are interested in being listed as one of the people allowed to comment on the thread, we can work that out fairly easily.

This thread is for forum members to post footage of yourself. This is different than a regular thread. I will moderate this thread heavily. Anyone can post footage. But the only people who can comment on the footage are people who have been specifically selected because they are players who are able to give useful commentary.

These are the players who can give commentary on video footage:

1) Baal
2) Der_Echte
3) NDH
4) Richie
5) Lula
6) NextLevel
7) Brs
8) Takkyu_wa_inochi
9) Tinykin
10) pingpongpaddy
11) Tony's Table Tennis
12) Victor Moraga
13) cytivrat


Anyone can post footage. However, if anyone not on the list above tries to post commentary on footage, that commentary will be deleted. If someone presents commentary to me via PM for posting, and I deem it okay to post, I may make exceptions to this every so often. I also am reserving the right to edit the list and add if I decide someone is capable of making good, insightful commentary.

Hopefully, this will make it so people feel comfortable posting footage of themselves for people on the forum to see and get to know each other without feeling like the commentary that happens after posting footage is uncalled for. Also, if you wanted to post footage but would prefer nobody comments on the footage you present, you can ask that. I will help make that happen as well.


Again, comments from people who are not on the list above will get deleted.