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Hello all of you best sport in the world loving souls.

I've recently got to record a good pennant match which I feel I played mostly quite well for my knowledge level of execution. IMO I'd win vs my opponent a good 7/10 times but that's another topic ;)

Looking for any and all feedback.

Things I'm aware of.
- My footwork is still trash (slightly better since my FH v backspin / follow up has improved) but still weak in coming into and away from the table.
- My confidence in my BH v underspin is non existent when I'm keen to win instead of force my training shots into a match. (Still not good enough at execution though)
- I'm awful at receiving pendulum like (side top spin to BH and off the side corner) serves. Is the only response to this is learning different variations of BH flick?

Thanks folks, appreciate you all.

(bonus) - Curious if anyone can guess my favourite shot of the match if anyone can be bothered watching the whole set.

Hi J-Bus...

There are a hundred things we can say... but I will stop at a quick three (and not hog up all the analysis) that are costing you points.

1 - Vs incoming light underspin... you are striking the ball WAY in front of your strike zone... this makes very poor leverage... which makes consistency poor, and poor spin, poor quality ball. You are giving away several points each game from this.

2 - vs incoming high ball... you are bringing your bat below the table, then trying to crack that high ball... you miss a lot... since the bat needs to come up a LOT before you can go forward... you lose leverage and control doing this.

3 - vs incoming underspin serve... you REACH OUT... and I mean WAY TOO FAR in front arm all extended. Step under the table if needed and keep arm bent some... get to the bounce and touch it shortly after that... you do not need much of a swing if any... you are controlling the ball with your bat angle and grip... loose grip.

Everyone else will say a lot too and listen well, the ones Carl selected know their business.
 
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I have only watched the first 2 sets.....
I am just making sure you know the rules of this thread. They are listed in the first post of this thread. You are not on the list of people who can comment on people's play in the thread. If you wanted to be on the list, you would have to show footage of yourself and get my approval to be able to post comments on the footage posted. Therefore your post has been removed.
This thread is for forum members to post footage of yourself. This is different than a regular thread. I will moderate this thread heavily. Anyone can post footage. But the only people who can comment on the footage are people who have been specifically selected because they are players who are able to give useful commentary.

These are the players who can give commentary on video footage:

1) Baal
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6) NextLevel
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11) Tony's Table Tennis
12) Victor Moraga
13) cytivrat


Anyone can post footage. However, if anyone not on the list above tries to post commentary on footage, that commentary will be deleted. If someone presents commentary to me via PM for posting, and I deem it okay to post, I may make exceptions to this every so often. I also am reserving the right to edit the list and add if I decide someone is capable of making good, insightful commentary.

Hopefully, this will make it so people feel comfortable posting footage of themselves for people on the forum to see and get to know each other without feeling like the commentary that happens after posting footage is uncalled for. Also, if you wanted to post footage but would prefer nobody comments on the footage you present, you can ask that. I will help make that happen as well.


Again, comments from people who are not on the list above will get deleted.
 
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Alrighty then.....

As Der said, I would focus on a few small improvements rather than getting bogged down by loads of things you can change.

The immediate biggest issue for me is how far in front of you, you take the ball.

You are losing so much spin potential by taking it where you do, but I think part of this also has to do with equipment........

I HATE recommending that people change equipment, because it's expensive, and isn't always necessary.

However, one of the reasons juniors learn with *really* slow rubbers (in the UK at least), is so they can get that feeling of hitting shots with a very fast arm, that is needed as you move up the ranks.

It almost looks like your set up is too quick, which is making you hit shots at 75% arm speed.

The downsides to this are:

1. You can never truly generate the spin you should be able to.
2. You miss a lot because it's harder to control the spin
3. When your shots do go on, they are slower than they should be.

If you had slower, tackier rubbers, you could increase your arm speed (which I believe you need to do), which would increase the ball speed, but hopefully also increase the control/spin as well.

If you don't want to change rubbers - Try increasing your arm speed in practice.

NOTE - That doesn't mean every ball should be a rocket, but there needs to be more "snap" in your arm which will generate more spin.


Another thing to think about is "anticipation".

I'm sure there are multiple examples, but have a look at the point at 6:08

You do a pendulum serve that you've done before.

He pushes to the same place he's pushed before.

But you are still watching it as it comes back over the net, having not moved from your ready position.

In an ideal world, you want to be serving, and then getting ready to come in with a big attack on ball 3.

Your opponents aren't giving you crazy good serve returns, so you'd have a great opportunity on most points.

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It's hard to go from that position there, to an all out attacking position when the ball is already on your side of the table - Your anticipation and movement into position need to be much quicker.

Is there any part of your game you would like to really work on?
 
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Thought Id try seeing what people say.


It's very difficult to comment unless we know what you are looking for.

Is there any particular part of your game you'd like people to comment on?

It would help if the match play video wasn't just the "highlight" points.

Much easier to see the flaws from the rubbish shots (we all have them! 😁)
 
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The immediate biggest issue for me is how far in front of you, you take the ball.

You are losing so much spin potential by taking it where you do, but I think part of this also has to do with equipment........

I HATE recommending that people change equipment, because it's expensive, and isn't always necessary.

However, one of the reasons juniors learn with *really* slow rubbers (in the UK at least), is so they can get that feeling of hitting shots with a very fast arm, that is needed as you move up the ranks.

It almost looks like your set up is too quick, which is making you hit shots at 75% arm speed.

The downsides to this are:

1. You can never truly generate the spin you should be able to.
2. You miss a lot because it's harder to control the spin
3. When your shots do go on, they are slower than they should be.

If you had slower, tackier rubbers, you could increase your arm speed (which I believe you need to do), which would increase the ball speed, but hopefully also increase the control/spin as well.

If you don't want to change rubbers - Try increasing your arm speed in practice.
Thanks for the feedback.

After watching vidoes of my strokes in match play compared to training, they're definietly night and day. I do tend to feel rushed in matches which is probably why i don't wait for the ball as much.

If the ball is too far infront outside of the strike zone, but the ideal time to hit would be the top of the bounce, would it still be generally a better idea to let it drop and have it be in a better strike zone?

Also at my current level in matches if i get the topspin on the table at 75% pace I normally win the point anyways and in my mind i guess a slower swing speed is a more safe shot. But are you saying it's better to generally go for a much faster swing so if you do get good brush contact, it creates more spin?

My current setup is a 5 ply all wood blade with vega jap on FH and vega euro on the BH (don't think it's too fast, I just have bad technique and no irl coach lol)

I'm currently trying to work on finishing points with my FH after the open against backspin.
Would you say i need a shorter stroke for more efficiency?
1 - Vs incoming light underspin... you are striking the ball WAY in front of your strike zone... this makes very poor leverage... which makes consistency poor, and poor spin, poor quality ball. You are giving away several points each game from this.

2 - vs incoming high ball... you are bringing your bat below the table, then trying to crack that high ball... you miss a lot... since the bat needs to come up a LOT before you can go forward... you lose leverage and control doing this.

3 - vs incoming underspin serve... you REACH OUT... and I mean WAY TOO FAR in front arm all extended. Step under the table if needed and keep arm bent some... get to the bounce and touch it shortly after that... you do not need much of a swing if any... you are controlling the ball with your bat angle and grip... loose grip.

Thanks for the feedback Der_echte.
For 1 i just need to focus on letting the ball come towards me more and letting it drop right?

2. would training FH and BH drills with the idea of keeping the bat high and returning to a "neutral" postion after each stroke help with this?

3. I think this we just me being super uncomfortable recieving that spin to that side of the table. I don't have much ingranded muscle memory for reciving this type of serve. At the point of contact, are players supposed to be hyper focused on the exact contact they make with the ball, or is that something that comes with more practise as it might be ideal to focused on touch, placement and opponants positioning at the same time?

I appreciate the time you all take to check the video and provide the advice too!!
 
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Thanks for the feedback.

After watching vidoes of my strokes in match play compared to training, they're definietly night and day. I do tend to feel rushed in matches which is probably why i don't wait for the ball as much.

If the ball is too far infront outside of the strike zone, but the ideal time to hit would be the top of the bounce, would it still be generally a better idea to let it drop and have it be in a better strike zone?

Also at my current level in matches if i get the topspin on the table at 75% pace I normally win the point anyways and in my mind i guess a slower swing speed is a more safe shot. But are you saying it's better to generally go for a much faster swing so if you do get good brush contact, it creates more spin?

My current setup is a 5 ply all wood blade with vega jap on FH and vega euro on the BH (don't think it's too fast, I just have bad technique and no irl coach lol)

I'm currently trying to work on finishing points with my FH after the open against backspin.
Would you say i need a shorter stroke for more efficiency?


Thanks for the feedback Der_echte.
For 1 i just need to focus on letting the ball come towards me more and letting it drop right?

2. would training FH and BH drills with the idea of keeping the bat high and returning to a "neutral" postion after each stroke help with this?

3. I think this we just me being super uncomfortable recieving that spin to that side of the table. I don't have much ingranded muscle memory for reciving this type of serve. At the point of contact, are players supposed to be hyper focused on the exact contact they make with the ball, or is that something that comes with more practise as it might be ideal to focused on touch, placement and opponants positioning at the same time?

I appreciate the time you all take to check the video and provide the advice too!!
I find slowing your swing speed down to the extent that you are, makes it very hard to hit shots consistently well.

You are never going to be able to load a shot with topspin, which is going to limit your progression.

If I feel like I need to play a bit safer one day (maybe I'm not quite "on it"), I'll very rarely slow my shot speed down - If I do, it's by 1 or 2 %.

What I will do, is to "spin it up" more - To not go for such direct powerful shots, but to give it a big arc and "play safe".

But that playing safe still requires a fast arm speed as you need the topspin to bring the ball down.

I'd agree that your set up isn't too fast, you just need to hone that technique in practice until you are confident playing with a fast arm.

I don't necessarily think you need a shorter stroke as such, it's more that anticipation of moving into position for the shot you want to play, before your opponent has even hit the ball - This is especially important when you serve. You don't want to just wait for the return and react to it - You want to plan for where you think the ball will go and start to get into position as soon as you've served.

I think you are doing great for someone who doesn't have a coach, so don't take these pointers as negatives - They are just building blocks for you to go on and conquer the world 😁
 
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Hello all of you best sport in the world loving souls.

I've recently got to record a good pennant match which I feel I played mostly quite well for my knowledge level of execution. IMO I'd win vs my opponent a good 7/10 times but that's another topic ;)

Looking for any and all feedback.

Things I'm aware of.
- My footwork is still trash (slightly better since my FH v backspin / follow up has improved) but still weak in coming into and away from the table.
- My confidence in my BH v underspin is non existent when I'm keen to win instead of force my training shots into a match. (Still not good enough at execution though)
- I'm awful at receiving pendulum like (side top spin to BH and off the side corner) serves. Is the only response to this is learning different variations of BH flick?

Thanks folks, appreciate you all.

(bonus) - Curious if anyone can guess my favourite shot of the match if anyone can be bothered watching the whole set.

So I watched a bit yesterday. Do you get coaching? (JUST SAW YOUR ANSWER TO NDH).

My memory might deceive me but it does seem you have improved a little bit but obviously, bad habits are hard to break. The funny thing is that your game reminds me a lot of mine and some of the things I had to unlearn to get better, probably I didn't unlearn all of them lol.

You are pushing a lot of topspin serves, not always correctly, and it probably isn't the right play since the ball will likely come long and can be attacked more aggressively - pushes need to be moved around to be effective by the way. Because you reach a lot, you compromise both your forehand positioning and your backhand positioning. Your elbow is a key lever and when you reach, you engage the upper arm and compromise the ability of the elbow to do what it should do consistently. You should always feel on every stroke as if you are carrying your elbow or lower arm to the ball, not your racket. The bend in your elbow should be present on just about every shot, giving it a similar feeling of stability on both forehand and backhand. Because this concept is missing on your forehand (mostly on pushes) and backhand (on many shots), you are probably using more touch and creativity than you need to because your upper arm is being used too much and compromised when you have to follow an over the table shot where you use it with an off the table shot.


I see that NDH is addressing a lot of things I would have addressed, so did DerEchte. You are doing some really great things with touch, and I think you should learn to inhale and exhale to relax, wait for the long serve often, learn to push the long serve late with heavy backspin if you are not sure it will come long, learn to topspin the long serve most of the time (because it will be long most of the time if it is topspin), and then learn to swing faster and impact the ball far more thickly. There still seems to be untapped athleticism in your game, just not sure how to get to it remotely. I think NDH's idea to go to slower setup might help, maybe use stickier rubber on the forehand. But this is definitely progress from the last video you posted.

So the main tip - keep the bend in the elbow on all shots and stop reaching for the ball with the upper arm. The upper arm should be used in a very narrow range for power, but the bend helps with stability. Feel as if you are carrying your shoulder to the ball on all over the table shots. On all shots, feel as if you are carrying your lower arm to the ball, avoid reaching and straightening the arm unless you feel you are clearly carrying the arm.
 
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It's very difficult to comment unless we know what you are looking for.

Is there any particular part of your game you'd like people to comment on?

It would help if the match play video wasn't just the "highlight" points.

Much easier to see the flaws from the rubbish shots (we all have them! 😁)
Thanks NDH.

OH MAN! Thats a big question. I can come up with an endless list, some listed below.

But Ive actually downgraded from OSP V- to a Stiga Allround Classic (SAC). A lot of my shots looks like I am using my body but are often led by my hands/shoulders first. I noticed this cause my shoulder started feeling sore after long practice sessions. The SAC is fast when using body only and gives me a whole lot more consistency.

I have gone back to just focusing on simple forehand drives, with the help of these videos (they have english subtitles and really go into details, importance of fh drives and body mechanics):
1)
2)
3) Exercise 4 in this drill video:

Road to Pro (with Daniel Kim) is also an excellent youtube channel [https://www.youtube.com/@roadtopro3038/videos]

But to the videos I posted, I want to focus on:
1) Using body rotation as part of my serves to get into ready position before the ball bounces on my opponents side. Im almost there but it can be faster.
2) Getting into neutral mostly backhand position after serve with weight on my toes rather than halfway into heels.
3) Watching the ball till it hits my racket then switching my eyes to watch the opponents paddle so I can better predict the next balls location.
4)I have some variation on my backhand (based on the second point in the video) but I mostly revert to side/top loop which mostly forces the next shot to the middle/forehand. I hear this is a common error in most peoples backhand where its a wiper motion rather than forward motion. I want to be able to have the primary shot being mostly topspin then adding whichever sidespin I want based on where I want the next return.
5) RELAX! RELAX! RELAX! Esp entire upper body.
6) I have a habit of chopping on forehand and it works half the time in confusing people (half the time its no spin return than backspin) but I want to get into the habit of looping rather than auto-chopping.

And the list goes on..and on...and on...
 
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Thanks for the feedback Der_echte.
For 1 i just need to focus on letting the ball come towards me more and letting it drop right?
Hi J-Bus... IF... and IF... you want to be stationary... and allow ball to come to you... it will depend on what is on the ball. Often, the ball will be dropping if you did not step forward... that is not a terrible thing (I know many top level coaches will hate on me for saying that !!)... but this will MAKE you GET DOWN a little lower... and get good leverage... and with some grazing, a relaxed body and loose grip at impact... you will make a real heavy SLOW topspin that players 3 levels above you will pull their hair out over it... and so the kids too.

You could also take a small step forward to get ball into the strike zone. You are subconsciously weighing the options and percentages for what shot is possible at current and step up position.

WHATEVER you do... be in a position of leverage with ball in the strike zone. It gives you options.

HEAVY slow spin vs a low energy ball is a low risk and SAFE shot that may win point or lead to it on the next ball follow up.

If you strike the ball while it is at net height... you can hit harder and faster with spin and still land it safe... question is... WILL YOU SEE the ball and move/execute in time? These are considerations of benefit and risk. You have to pretty much instantly calculate this within the first foot after ball leaves opponent's bat... SUBCONSCIOUSLY... and act quickly/decisively.

3) Watching the ball till it hits my racket then switching my eyes to watch the opponents paddle so I can better predict the next balls location.
I am not so sure about this one. I prefer to use COURT VISION where I am AWARE of my opponent's position and stance without directly looking at him/her. Stay on the ball, but be aware of what opponent just did for moving this way or that (or stayed put) so you can subconsciously know where you can pressure or win.

4)I have some variation on my backhand
Yes, I advocate learning to loop at all speeds with great spin... and also less when you want.

5) RELAX! RELAX! RELAX!
YES, you cannot whip if you tighten up, many do it on shoulder and forearm or both and it kills everything.

NDH: What I will do, is to "spin it up" more - To not go for such direct powerful shots, but to give it a big arc and "play safe".

I do this pretty much by default, but with a lot of aggression. Spin wins, slow heavy spin first and ask questions later... unless ball is high and weak spin, then hit or power loop away.

Letting the ball drop and play a heavy topspin is not a national crime unless you are playing elite amateurs or pros... which none of us do anyway. What NDH is advocating here will save ur bacon time and time again.
 
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Here is a video from a match last week. Tough result but I think I’m playing at my usual standard. The guy is just quite better.

I wish I could be more relaxed in match for serve receive, and lower more the upper body

The opponent doesn’t look very good in the video but I was refereeing him, he was actually a very good player. Somehow even if my technique looks really awful and much worse than him I think my serves and my agressiveness caused him some problems.

 
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As previously mentioned, I will be playing in a small inter-club friendly this weekend.. Winning or losing for me in this competition is immaterial, either outcome I still get free curry with rice, chicken wings with hot-sauce and beer. Did I mention beer?

However, on a personal development field, I hope to achieve three objectives. What are they?

1. Move away from over reliance on flat hitting with my FH and do more FH drive / topspin. I need to spin the ball more. IF I have to make mistake and look bad on YT video, so be it.

2. More beautiful open ups with my BH to create opportunity for the drive / counter-drive playstyle that my coach and I have been drilling for the past few lessons. I need to put those lessons to good use in real match play.

3. Move my darn f3ck1ing legs more. Not up to those Aruna / Ryu Seungmin level, but a least a decent few more inches of movement. More pivoting and use of waist twist and not over-reliance on pure shoulder muscle. More elegance, less brute.

I'll YT the game play, and if it appear terrible, I apologize in advance for not putting up a good show.

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The above is my edited for brevity match play. I was placed second Men Singles and my opponent uses Short-Pimple on the BH and inverted on the FH side.

Please comment and I hope I did not do too badly and the match is at least watchable and provide some entertainment. Thank you.

NB: Did I manage to achieve any of my objectives listed above?

Below are some nice memeroble points:


 
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As previously mentioned, I will be playing in a small inter-club friendly this weekend.. Winning or losing for me in this competition is immaterial, either outcome I still get free curry with rice, chicken wings with hot-sauce and beer. Did I mention beer?

However, on a personal development field, I hope to achieve three objectives. What are they?

1. Move away from over reliance on flat hitting with my FH and do more FH drive / topspin. I need to spin the ball more. IF I have to make mistake and look bad on YT video, so be it.

2. More beautiful open ups with my BH to create opportunity for the drive / counter-drive playstyle that my coach and I have been drilling for the past few lessons. I need to put those lessons to good use in real match play.

3. Move my darn f3ck1ing legs more. Not up to those Aruna / Ryu Seungmin level, but a least a decent few more inches of movement. More pivoting and use of waist twist and not over-reliance on pure shoulder muscle. More elegance, less brute.

I'll YT the game play, and if it appear terrible, I apologize in advance for not putting up a good show.

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The above is my edited for brevity match play. I was placed second Men Singles and my opponent uses Short-Pimple on the BH and inverted on the FH side.

Please comment and I hope I did not do too badly and the match is at least watchable and provide some entertainment. Thank you.

NB: Did I manage to achieve any of my objectives listed above?
Congratulations for getting to the final!
 
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Hey everyone, long time lurker and I decided yesterday to make an account!

I've been part of a small club for about 2 years now, currently 1000 USATT (this may be a bit generous) and have been taking the time to focus on improving, mostly from getting advice from other higher level players in my state whenever I get a chance to travel. I don't have access to a dedicated coach, but I'd like to work on my deficiencies as a player.

I recorded a practice match with a pusher from our club. Would definitely love any comments on what I should improve on.

From watching the video, I noticed that:

1) I'm standing rather upright, but in a match, it feels like I'm not? For tournaments, I know there's several Bo5s in a day, so is there anything I should focus on in training to keep my stance low?
2) This is the first time I noticed this: I bring my forehand across my body along the lines of the hips, which looks rather low.
3) This may not be apparent here, but I struggle a lot with the BH -> FH transition.
4) I really need to focus more on my footwork. Sometimes, I feel like I'm sliding on ice. Other times, I feel like I've got it down.
5) I'm really lazy on my pushes.

Thank you so much in advance!

EDIT: Here is my current equipment:
Blade: Tibhar Stratus PowerWood
Forehand: Yasaka Rakza 7 2.0 mm
Backhand: Xiom Vega Europe 2.0mm

 
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Hey everyone, long time lurker and I decided yesterday to make an account!

I've been part of a small club for about 2 years now, currently 1000 USATT (this may be a bit generous) and have been taking the time to focus on improving, mostly from getting advice from other higher level players in my state whenever I get a chance to travel. I don't have access to a dedicated coach, but I'd like to work on my deficiencies as a player.

I recorded a practice match with a pusher from our club. Would definitely love any comments on what I should improve on.

From watching the video, I noticed that:

1) I'm standing rather upright, but in a match, it feels like I'm not? For tournaments, I know there's several Bo5s in a day, so is there anything I should focus on in training to keep my stance low?
2) This is the first time I noticed this: I bring my forehand across my body along the lines of the hips, which looks rather low.
3) This may not be apparent here, but I struggle a lot with the BH -> FH transition.
4) I really need to focus more on my footwork. Sometimes, I feel like I'm sliding on ice. Other times, I feel like I've got it down.
5) I'm really lazy on my pushes.

Thank you so much in advance!

EDIT: Here is my current equipment:
Blade: Tibhar Stratus PowerWood
Forehand: Yasaka Rakza 7 2.0 mm
Backhand: Xiom Vega Europe 2.0mm

Which player are you in the video?
 
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Hey everyone, long time lurker and I decided yesterday to make an account!

I've been part of a small club for about 2 years now, currently 1000 USATT (this may be a bit generous) and have been taking the time to focus on improving, mostly from getting advice from other higher level players in my state whenever I get a chance to travel. I don't have access to a dedicated coach, but I'd like to work on my deficiencies as a player.

I recorded a practice match with a pusher from our club. Would definitely love any comments on what I should improve on.

From watching the video, I noticed that:

1) I'm standing rather upright, but in a match, it feels like I'm not? For tournaments, I know there's several Bo5s in a day, so is there anything I should focus on in training to keep my stance low?
2) This is the first time I noticed this: I bring my forehand across my body along the lines of the hips, which looks rather low.
3) This may not be apparent here, but I struggle a lot with the BH -> FH transition.
4) I really need to focus more on my footwork. Sometimes, I feel like I'm sliding on ice. Other times, I feel like I've got it down.
5) I'm really lazy on my pushes.

Thank you so much in advance!

EDIT: Here is my current equipment:
Blade: Tibhar Stratus PowerWood
Forehand: Yasaka Rakza 7 2.0 mm
Backhand: Xiom Vega Europe 2.0mm

First and foremost, thanks for posting. It's great to see and hear from someone who is enthusiastic about table tennis. It's nice that you got to this level without coaching, but the lack of coaching also shows.

You are essentially what I would consider a good adult learner with obvious technical deficiencies. By good, I mean that you understand what to do and what you are trying to do, and in general, you are trying to hit a decent topspin ball. By adult learner with obvious technical deficiencies, I mean that you are using your understanding of how to hit the ball to hit it better but the actual stroke has things that would make it not work optimally at the highest level, but that said, there are some great players who actually have strokes like this, they just started much earlier and read the ball much better than you or I ever will.

You are at a point where I could give too much advice so I will start with some low hanging fruit which I think will improve your general skill level. IF you want to improve your practical match results much more, work on increasing the spin you bring to the ball. The best way I know of to do this is to work on your serves, especially your floor serves and bed serves. The whip action from trained use of the forearm and wrist translates to many strokes. Good luck.

 
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