What happened between the USA and KAZ controversial match at the WTTTC Finals 2023?

[Tony's Table Tennis]

a bit of a rushed video, but here it is.
skip to the summary at 14:30 if you don't want to wait.

update 2:

 

[ben1229]

The reason that failing the test?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

The reason that failing the test?

I suspect thickness.

Jimmy Bulter posted on facebook talking about thickness too

 

[ben1229]

I suspect thickness.

Jimmy Bulter posted on facebook talking about thickness too

Oh shit, team USA no coaches check?

 

[TensorBackhand]

Why was KAZ team suspicious of the racket? Just by looking at it, could they see that it was over the thickness limit?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Why was KAZ team suspicious of the racket? Just by looking at it, could they see that it was over the thickness limit?

KAZ was not involved in the decision making

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Oh shit, team USA no coaches check?

there is pre match test and post match test.
not too sure if pre match test was the racket sent in or not.
if it went in and pass, and post match fail? or
it didn't go in pre match and only had post match and fail?

Same player had the same issue pre match test in 2022 for both his primary and spare. So in 2022, he ended up borrowing another players racket.

 

[TensorBackhand]

there is pre match test and post match test.
not too sure if pre match test was the racket sent in or not.
if it went in and pass, and post match fail? or
it didn't go in pre match and only had post match and fail?

Same player had the same issue pre match test in 2022 for both his primary and spare. So in 2022, he ended up borrowing another players racket.

Does that mean his rubber expanded during the match?

Or did he switch his racket to a thicker one after the pre-test?

 

[TensorBackhand]

Some guys on reddit claim that there was NO pre-test. That doesnt seem fair to USA.

If they tested, at least Jishan could switch to another racket.

But Jishan should know that he needs to test his racket before the match just for his own sake as well.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Does that mean his rubber expanded during the match?

if past in pre test and fail in post test, then I think this is something new

Or did he switch his racket to a thicker one after the pre-test?

this is not really possible if the racket was handled in and only given back to the player at the start of match 3

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Some guys on reddit claim that there was NO pre-test. That doesnt seem fair to USA.

I find it unlikely that there was no pre test available

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I think they should have a full mass spectrograph near each umpire chair & each player must insert their racket after every point. If it passes happy music is played. If failed, chants riidculing the failed player is played at all tables in entire arena inissde & outside with their full name , hometown , girfriend or boyfriend;s names & they parents' & grandparents' names & their children's names

1995 when it happened to Kim
he was very upset.
he beat Wang Tao 3-0 and would likely be the eventual champion.

It was a speed glue (reading) problem and one person was saying, speed glue don't give you an advantage on Kim's footwork, as nothing was beating Kim's footwork back then.
again, post match test (because back then, pre - match test was too slow).
people all thought Kim has won and then ITTF reversed the 3-0 to 0-3

It does open up to a lot of scrutiny.

there are comparisons used of what has transcribe by putting it in a NBA match setting to show you how crazy it is. ie where the results is halted in the 4th quarter because of something in the 3rd quarter....

Doping and striping of wins is probably the most common in all sports.
Table Tennis now have racket control (Twice in world champs in 20 years) in the same league

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Okay, I have good source that, Liang didn't submit for Pre-Test, so post test was forced

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Lesson learnt:

1) Buy your own testing kit

RTM-A---红双喜套胶测厚仪(双表)	DHS T.T. RUBBER THICKNESS GAUGE(DOUBLE STANDARD)
RTM-B---红双喜套胶测厚仪(单表)	DHS T.T. RUBBER THICKNESS GAUGE(SINGLE STANDARD)

retail price is under USD400/200

2) make sure you test at pre match test, so you are afforded up to 3 chances.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Waldner

Waldner loss to LGL in the R16, close 2-3 with scores of 17-21 / 20-22 / 21-16 / 21-17 / 19-21
there was no Chinese that was able to stop Kim according to people that are older than me

after Wang Tao was given a lifeline, he then threw the match against LGL, with what people described as an exhibition match.
LGL beat KLH in the final

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I was not talking about Waldner's loss at 1995 WTTC.
I wss refering to who can handle Kim Taek Soo during that time.

I remember Kim Taek soo & Waldner doing an exhibition at Los Angeles Lakers basketball game

But I guess Kim Taek Soo got his revenge (sort of) by coaching Ryu Seung Min at 2004 Olympic Semi Finals.

Kim's forehand was indeed crazy but Ryu Seungmin made Kim's forehand look like a grandma's

well, people said that "controversy" took a world championship title away from Kim as there was no one left to really stop in, except for a machine.

and yeah, RSM was just unbelievable.

 

[JJ Ng]

According to DHS, Ma Long version forehand black hurricane 3 comes in 2.1mm thickness only. If we believe that to be true, then Ma Long is not going to flirt with thickness issue with his personal equipment.

I don't know why anyone including the said player from the US would flirt with hurricane 3 in 2.15mm thickness....

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

According to DHS, Ma Long version forehand black hurricane 3 comes in 2.1mm thickness only. If we believe that to be true, then Ma Long is not going to flirt with thickness issue with his personal equipment.

I don't know why anyone including the said player from the US would flirt with hurricane 3 in 2.15mm thickness....

I wanted to talk about this in my next video
every one uses 2.1mm to boost

2.15mm is just crazy, unless liang and others that end up on the infraction list, boosted way more than 0.05mm than other people haha

 

[jammmail]

I wanted to talk about this in my next video
every one uses 2.1mm to boost

2.15mm is just crazy, unless liang and others that end up on the infraction list, boosted way more than 0.05mm than other people haha

@Tony's Table Tennis could you explain the thickness rule and how USA could have failed and the impact of boosting?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

@Tony's Table Tennis could you explain the thickness rule and how USA could have failed and the impact of boosting?

the limit is 4.05mm, so 4.06mm is over the limit
all rubbers are made to be under 4mm
there is also provision for glue, as glue takes up some space

booster is like another layer of glue

if 1 person put 2 layers of glue, vs 2 layers of glue and 3 layers of booster, it is like 2 layers vs 5 layer.
of course 5 layer would be thicker