Who invented Ping Pong?

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I have gone through many websites as i want to know who actually invested this sport. Many websites have transitional routine but no one is providing the exact answer to the question.
 
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When you say Ping Pong do you mean Table Tennis?? Ping Pong and Table Tennis are two different sports.

I will always disagree with this. I think it's best we move forward and admit it's the same sport but table tennis players tend to separate the two as one being more casual than the other. I would like to hear how, aside from skill level, they are two different sports.

 
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When you say Ping Pong do you mean Table Tennis?? Ping Pong and Table Tennis are two different sports.


I will always disagree with this. I think it's best we move forward and admit it's the same sport but table tennis players tend to separate the two as one being more casual than the other. I would like to hear how, aside from skill level, they are two different sports.

Not agreeing or disagreeing with either of you. I think there is a different way of looking at this.

Ping Pong is actually a brand name. The brand is not so popular any more. But people have used that brand name as the name of the sport or game (I would also say Table Tennis/ Ping Pong are both a sport and a game). Even though the brand "Ping Pong" is not so popular any more, it was once big enough that people used it as synonymous with the name of the game/sport. This is similar to how people say BandAide to mean bandage, Q-Tip to mean cotton swab, Kleenex to mean tissue paper, or RollerBlade to mean Inline-Skate. BandAide, Q-Tip, Kleenex and RollerBlade are all brand names. But people often think of them as the name of the product they produce even though there are other brands that produce bandages, cotton swabs, tissues, or inline-skates.

Also, it is worth understanding that, in some countries, they will use the term Table Tennis and Ping Pong interchangeably even when you are talking about elite players.

So, in some circles, Ping Pong refers to garage type table tennis. But in other circles, this is what they call the elite sport depending on where you are.

Anyone want to say what they call Table Tennis in different parts of China?

I think Ping Pong is used so much by so many people in so many different countries that it is hard to try and erase it. And I also think that Table Tennis is also used in many many places. They both have their validity.

One more fun fact: at some point Ping Pong/Table Tennis was called Wiff Waff. :)

 
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I have gone through many websites as i want to know who actually invested this sport. Many websites have transitional routine but no one is providing the exact answer to the question.
It's those Upper Echelon British ( Victorian era??? ) whom, after indulging in port wine and heavy meals decided it is too early to retire back into their stately manor who then decided to hang around the dining hall a little longer to continue their merry-making affairs. Some who are more of the creative nature then decided to arrange some books across the snooker or billiard table and then proceed to crumble a piece of paper into a ball shaped object. Thereafter using some books as makeshift paddles, then proceeded to hit the crumbled piece of paper to and fro amongst each other and laughing their arse off looking pretty silly and all. Little do they know their silly antics will one day generate into a multi-billion pounds sports and an Olympic event at that too. You have those eccentric British people to thank for this.

 
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Little do they know their silly antics will one day generate into a multi-billion pounds sports and an Olympic event too.
Where did you get the "multi-billion pounds" idea? I don't really know. But, somehow, I feel like TT is not one of those big sports where there is lots of cash floating around.

 
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Wikipedia claims it was initially played with books as a racket and golf balls in great Britain but around 1900 a British person discovered a celluloid ball in the USA (not sure what it actually was created for)
 
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Ping Pong uses sandpaper bats, and games are played to 15 points rather than 11. An orange ball is always used rather than a white ball. It’s definitely not a more “casual” version of Table Tennis as I’ve been to watch the World Championships of Ping Pong on two separate occasions. Andrew Baggaley is the current world champion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Baggaley

Stewart, this is a recent (historically speaking) marketing scheme by hardbat/sandpaper players wanting to have a hardbat/sandpaper championship.

The term Ping Pong predates that "World Championship of Ping Pong" tournament by well over 100 years. And the term Ping-Pong is still a registered wordmark held by Parker Bros which means the group that made the "World Championship of Ping Pong" probably had to pay for the rights to use that term.

But in many countries in the world, the term Ping Pong is still used as synonymous with the term Table Tennis.

Here are some quotes from a Wikipedia page:

- "The World Championship of Ping Pong, also known as WCPP, is an annual ping pong tournament that has been held since 2011."

- "The tournament is promoted by the English sports impresario Barry Hearn, and is distinguished by its use of old-fashioned wooden paddles covered with sandpaper, which are intended to encourage slower ball movement and longer rallies for the entertainment of the live audience."

Now some people may use the term in UK to mean that tournament and the kind of play they have in that tournament, but that is extremely recent phenomenon. In USA the term Ping Pong is used by the vast majority of recreational players to mean Table Tennis and in USA it is also used by most club players to mean Garage players playing Table Tennis (as a sort of denigration of people who don't play well).

But I think in China, where they play a lot of Table Tennis, (perhaps more so than in any other country) I think it is often used interchangeably with the term Table Tennis to mean the same sport/game.

 
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BTW: Do a search for World Championship of Ping Pong results for 2021 and 2022. Tell me what you find.

Also, it is worth noting that the first World Championship of Ping Pong tournament (2011) was held at the Palms Casino Resort in Las Vegas and all the rest were held at Alexandra Palace, London.

Think about it.
 
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In TT land aka China, Table Tennis is called Ping-Pang ( 乒乓 ). They don't called it in another way. Nobody calls it 桌上网球 ( which is the direct translation of table tennis )

Exactly what I was going to say. If you ask Ma Long what sport he plays I guarantee you he will say Ping Pong and not table tennis.

People like to make up shit like saying "Table Tennis" is an elite sport. Well it's the same thing just one is branded like Carl said. It's an urban myth that people like to believe.

If you go to Google translate type in "table tennis" the translation in Chinese will show up as 乒乓 (ping pong).

 
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Ex ITTF president Lollo Hammerlund of Sweden hated the phrase ping pong
(North) Americans & Chinese (& Japanese & Koreans etc) have brought immesaurable damage to the image of formal sport of tabletennis by insisting on using the word "ping pong" because there is no tabletennis in North America & ping pong represents a silly basement "game" & not one of the most complex (athletic) sport of tabletennis,

Growing up I have hardly ever heard the phrase ping pong for tabletennis
All the (North) Amerdicans & Chinese (& Japanese & Koreans etc) who keep insisting on using the stupid phrase ping pong are clueless idiots (& probably should be arrested & prosecuted because ping pong was a trademarked name by Jacque's Brothers in Engand & sold to Parker Brothers in USA)

In (North) America the phrase ping pong is essentially used by non-players to expressly demean & belittle tabletennis as an athletic sport.

Million dollars for stupid sandpaper tournament. What a waste.
All this money wasted for this hardbat & sandpaper garbage is better spent on junior development.

Yes, sponge tabletennis does have lots of problems and must be expelled from Olympics (& replaced with pole dancing) but suggeting regressing back to hardbat & sandpaper is a psychotic solution. Yes Hardbat was great when it lasted & Angelica Rozeanu is still the lady GOAT & I see Richard Bergmann,Joo Sae Hyuk & Waldner as GOATS but let us stop living in the past & move on please

And USATT keeps insisting on running hardbat & sandpaper events for juniors at major tournaments like US Closed to confuse the children & their strokes & their developemnt
 
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Ex ITTF president Lollo Hammerlund of Sweden hated the phrase ping pong
(North) Americans & Chinese (& Japanese & Koreans etc) have brought immesaurable damage to the image of formal sport of tabletennis by insisting on using the word "ping pong" because there is no tabletennis in North America & ping pong represents a silly basement "game" & not one of the most complex (athletic) sport of tabletennis,
In (North) America the phrase ping pong is essentially used by non-players to expressly demean & belittle tabletennis as an athletic sport.

In (North) America the phrase ping pong is essentially used by non-players to expressly demean & belittle tabletennis as an athletic sport.

It seems like you love table tennis and you hate that people perceive it as a garage game. Great! So do I.

That's why I'm combating the stigma by looking to own the word ping pong and showing people what happens when you bring proper strokes to thr sport.

We can't just bundle all north-Americans together and say they are all trying to belittle and demean the sport. People just don't know how amazing ping pong can be because most likely they don't have a club or elite players to practice with, so it becomes a casual game.

I went out to dinner with a few local college table tennis players and we were making a video where we say "I love ping pong" (which is my IG handle @iluvpingpong one guy stayed quiet and I asked why he didn't join in and he said "we play table tennis."

Okay, I get it, a few bully assholes in his younger days didn't understand how awesome of a player he was and probably made fun of his sport. I get it, that sucks, but assholes will be assholes, but they are not the majority. Most people just need to be educated, so we, as great table tennis/ping pong players need to own the word 'ping pong' and show them how awesome table tennis/ping pong can be.

Let's not try to segregate two groups of people who enjoy the sport just because of elitism. Almost everyone enjoys playing ping pong whether its in a garage, a basement, or a club.

This is why I love Adam bobrow so much. His style really shows how amazing the sport can be and brings the sport to a much wider audience.

 
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It’s Stuart, not Stewart. And yes, I agree the world championships of ping pong is a relatively recent thing, but it’s a recognised sport with its own rules which are distinct from those of table tennis, so in that respect I think my comment (which was a direct response to a question asking what the differences between table tennis and ping pong are) was reasonable. If people are using the term ping pong to mean something different, then fair enough…but I was using it in the context of it being the name of a sport that is similar to, but distinct from, table tennis.
Sorry for not paying attention and spelling your name incorrectly. I have a few friends with each spelling of the name and just was not thinking when I was typing.

Also, I feel like the rest of your post is a fair explanation of the context of the post I was responding to.

 
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Personally, I am good with the people who play garage ping pong. I am good with the people who like to call it table tennis. I am good with hardbat and sandpaper. And I am good with all the different variations of how table tennis is played and enjoyed.

One time I was playing at this club and I was playing at a table with a group and we were rotating games so everyone had their fair share of time. On the table next to us was a pair guys who were playing hardbat. They were darn good. I don't see very many people at all who can play hardbat near as good as them. I watched and it made me think about it. I was playing with a group of guys whose levels ranged from 1500-2000 and the games were pretty fast. Most of the rallies were 2, 3 or 4 balls in play before the point was over. There were a few rallies that were really nice, 5-10 shots. On the hardbat table, these guys were playing epic rallies. Almost every really was 20-25. They really had to maneuver the opponent out of position to get an advantage and end a point. The were not using any amount of spin that would be comparable to the amount of spin we were using with smooth rubbers. Their hardest shots were much slower than ours. But there was a lot of angles and placement and movement and it was really fun to watch.

So, I have respect for that kind of play. And, the people who play garage style, where they hold the racket funny and don't understand why they can only hit a BH.....if they are having fun, isn't that all, also good for the sport?

Yes, it is not the subtle art of how spin is used at higher levels, it does not have the precision or technical skill that you need for the precise touch and contact of a high quality loop or a heavy heavy chop. But it is still fun and those things can still bring people to have more interest in the higher level sport. A name is just a name.
 
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Definitely not in this case.

When serious players especially higher level & even pro players in (North) America not only use the phrase "ping pong" just to gain more acceptance but nevr bother to correct & educate those , that will continue to perpetuate the image of the sport as a silly basement "game"

And all the great work that China, Japan , Korea do to promote the sport gets quickly nullified by the use of the phrase ping pong for table tennis

This was eseentially ex ITTF President Lollo Hammerlund's position as well.

 
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In TT land aka China, Table Tennis is called Ping-Pang ( 乒乓 ). They don't called it in another way. Nobody calls it 桌上网球 ( which is the direct translation of table tennis )

Exactly what I was going to say. If you ask Ma Long what sport he plays I guarantee you he will say Ping Pong and not table tennis.

People like to make up shit like saying "Table Tennis" is an elite sport. Well it's the same thing just one is branded like Carl said. It's an urban myth that people like to believe.

If you go to Google translate type in "table tennis" the translation in Chinese will show up as 乒乓 (ping pong).


Definitely not in this case.

When serious players especially higher level & even pro players in (North) America not only use the phrase "ping pong" just to gain more acceptance but nevr bother to correct & educate those , that will continue to perpetuate the image of the sport as a silly basement "game"

And all the great work that China, Japan , Korea do to promote the sport gets quickly nullified by the use of the phrase ping pong for table tennis

This was eseentially ex ITTF President Lollo Hammerlund's position as well.
This is an interesting juxtaposition. Bad form
if Ma Long indeed says he plays Ping Ping. Huh?

 
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This is an interesting juxtaposition. Bad form
if Ma Long indeed says he plays Ping Ping. Huh?

When did Ma Long turn into a cunning linguist ?
I pointed out that it is not just one person. It is most of far east ( Chinese , Japanese , Korean , Vietnamese etc) who negate all their great work to promote tabletennis by creating a bad image for the sport with the use of this phrase

 
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When did Ma Long turn into a cunning linguist ?
I pointed out that it is not just one person. It is most of far east ( Chinese , Japanese , Korean , Vietnamese etc) who negate all their great work to promote tabletennis by creating a bad image for the sport with the use of this phrase

I fail to see how whole countries calling a sport by the name it is called is creating a bad image for the sport. That's like saying Europeans are creating a bad image for football because they refuse to call it soccer.

 
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