Why China are the best!

[TTHopeful]

Are China the best due to their discipline? I read this yesterday and wasn't sure how accurate the translation was but sure it to be similar on ITTF and the video posted by asiandrum https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/...oliang-Opens-Fire-On-Players-In-Brutal-Speech!

Liu Guoliang giving his players a kick up the ass pretty much!

If I am honest there doesn't seem to be no new Ma Long's or Zhang Jike's coming through the system. Fan Zhendong is already fully established. Wheres the new beasts?

Imagine if Jörg Roßkopf did this to his German National Team... Timo your training with the womens team!

 

[ronz91]

wow really cool video, very informative on the honest approach of LGL

 

[Jonas_Plays]

I've seen coaches with similar attitudes shouting at under 13s football teams. Don't think it always leads to success. And is LGL really naked in that video?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I've seen coaches with similar attitudes shouting at under 13s football teams. Don't think it always leads to success. And is LGL really naked in that video?

Agree. In fact I am going to post a related opinion. This kind of exhortation works for some players and totally backfires with others. In fact I am surprised that LGL is demonstrating such a narrow understanding of sports psychology.

And he is mentioning things like celebrating on points won to show you have the fighting spirit: Look at Waldner. He always stayed calm and composed and rarely let people see the emotions till the end of the match. And he usually only did a "larger" show of emotions on big, important wins. And a larger show of emotions was a bicep flex on one knee rather than cho-ing on random points in a match.

So, sure this will help some and harm others. But if you really understand how these things work, you may rather want to hear the speech at halftime of the Super Bowl in the New England Patriots locker room while the team was down 21-3.


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[Ilia Minkin]

Shang Kun, show me your war face!

 

[fais]

I too had to do a double take on his comment on celebrating. Only thing I could think of is may maybe the player's lack of emotional exhibition indicates perhaps he isn't all that emotionally committed, perhaps his heart isnt really into it?

 

[Baal]

Agree. In fact I am going to post a related opinion. This kind of exhortation works for some players and totally backfires with others. In fact I am surprised that LGL is demonstrating such a narrow understanding of sports psychology.

And he is mentioning things like celebrating on points won to show you have the fighting spirit: Look at Waldner. He always stayed calm and composed and rarely let people see the emotions till the end of the match. And he usually only did a "larger" show of emotions on big, important wins. And a larger show of emotions was a bicep flex on one knee rather than cho-ing on random points in a match.

So, sure this will help some and harm others. But if you really understand how these things work, you may rather want to hear the speech at halftime of the Super Bowl in the New England Patriots locker room while the team was down 21-3.


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I sometimes think a lot of what LGL says to the press is self-serving BS designed to make sure he gets the maximum possible credit for the great accomplishments of CNT players. I wonder if I' m the only one who thinks this this? Of course I could be misinterpreting a lot because I don't speak Chinese and rely on translations.

 

[Sland]

I think it has less to do with coaching and more to do with the fact that, culturally speaking, playing table tennis is the thing to do. Much how kids in the US dream of being in the NBA or NFL or kids in Europe and South America dream of playing in the EPL or FIFA, the kids in China dream of being the next Ma Long.

This coaching thing seems to be a lot of "face" (huge thing in China) and, going off what Carl said, is much rather see what happened in the Patriots locker room at halftime during Super Bowl


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[Zaid323918]

I think this video helps explain it

 

[tropical]

Asian culture is different. Teachers can scold students, coaches to players, parents to kids, etc... you name it. There are pro's and con's to this approach. I am Asian but grew up here in US so very much against such practice. But hey ... these players have been brainwashed since they were little kids so what do we expect?

 

[izra]

no, china are not the best because LGL tells them they should train with the women's team.

 

[Baal]

Asian culture is different. Teachers can scold students, coaches to players, parents to kids, etc... you name it. There are pro's and con's to this approach. I am Asian but grew up here in US so very much against such practice. But hey ... these players have been brainwashed since they were little kids so what do we expect?

Very true, it always amazes me, the Confucianism runs deep.

In the US college coaches can get away with a bit of stuff like that but pro athletes who are grown men and women (and millionaires to boot) won't tolerate it and the best coaches of professional teams in the US approach it differently. In China, guys like ZJK and Ma Long who accomplished more than LGL will still take it. But as the last poster said, that's not why the Chinese dominate the sport.

 

[NextLevel]

I sometimes think a lot of what LGL says to the press is self-serving BS designed to make sure he gets the maximum possible credit for the great accomplishments of CNT players. I wonder if I' m the only one who thinks this this? Of course I could be misinterpreting a lot because I don't speak Chinese and rely on translations.

The fact that he presided over the team during its return to dominance is what gives him the credibility to make these claims, and I can't imagine being in his position and not showboating a little bit. He does create some attention and press by doing these things so it might not be all negative.

 

[izra]

The fact that he presided over the team during its return to dominance is what gives him the credibility to make these claims, and I can't imagine being in his position and not showboating a little bit. He does create some attention and press by doing these things so it might not be all negative.

that is exactly what it is, a PR stunt. it's a good image for him but also for the whole team that despite their success they are still humble enough to be scolded like that by their superior (and their elder which is maybe even more important in asian culture).

 

[sanavasaraja]

They have an assload of people with this basically being the main, popular sport. This in mind its statistically inevitable that they will come out on top on average.
This is exemplified by the fact that trainers can be so rough to their students (cultural aspects put aside).

When I started studying economics in my bachelor studies, there were hundreds of students together with me. The professors decided to make the first exams so brutally difficult, that only a certain percentile of about 30% would pass. They have the numbers, thus they have the means to make broad strokes and to select only the best.
The opposite rings true when I was teaching at the University of Vaasa. We had so few students in our less popular field of study, that we had to be lecturer, teacher and almost a parent to get everyone through. Thus the level of performance was not too high, the level of proficiency among students was very mixed.

I am more impressed with less populated countries that can sooomewhat compete with china, just like im fascinated with Uruguay being a good football country


TL;DR Don't try to go all jean-jacques rousseau on things that arent too difficult to explain. Cultural differences arent always the explanation. There are lots of roads to rome

 

[NextLevel]

They have an assload of people with this basically being the main, popular sport. This in mind its statistically inevitable that they will come out on top on average.
This is exemplified by the fact that trainers can be so rough to their students (cultural aspects put aside).

When I started studying economics in my bachelor studies, there were hundreds of students together with me. The professors decided to make the first exams so brutally difficult, that only a certain percentile of about 30% would pass. They have the numbers, thus they have the means to make broad strokes and to select only the best.
The opposite rings true when I was teaching at the University of Vaasa. We had so few students in our less popular field of study, that we had to be lecturer, teacher and almost a parent to get everyone through. Thus the level of performance was not too high, the level of proficiency among students was very mixed.

I am more impressed with less populated countries that can sooomewhat compete with china, just like im fascinated with Uruguay being a good football country


TL;DR Don't try to go all jean-jacques rousseau on things that arent too difficult to explain. Cultural differences arent always the explanation. There are lots of roads to rome

Great post with a fantastic analogy. Unfortunately, people don't like to accept straightforward explanations. When you can select from the best athletes, that is easy. When you have to create the best athletes with limited resources (Portugal), that is ridiculously impressive.

 

[Baal]

Imagine too, a country comprising 25% of the earth's humans where small only-children were ripped away from the embrace of their loving parents at about ten years of age and sent to what is essentially Economics Jail; where for many hours per day they were intensively drilled with the latest economics concepts and methods, including all of the advanced mathematics -- this at a time when kids everywhere else are being regular kids. Bear in mind that as the kids progress they are surrounded by a remarkable number of people who's entire function in life is to find better ways to teach economics to kids, and later when the kids go to economics conferences they are surrounded by professors, doctors, and massage therapists (not to mention that the kids are discouraged from having girlfriends or marrying later on, things that might distract from studying economics). All this to make the nation proud when prizes in economics are given later, and which the government can point to as the success of their own particular agenda.

And then sanavarasaraja's analogy would be perfect.

 

[Loopadoop]

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