World Table Tennis Championships 2023

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I've seen multiple instances like this in the past few days actually. I can't remember the exact matches, but I saw a few athletes immediately acknowledging imperceptible edge balls on their side when perhaps the umpire and their opponent might have missed it. It's always great to see.

Actually right when I'm typing this I just saw Otcharov and Franciska point to an edge ball on their side and concede the point to Togami/Uda. They did this immediately without any thought. The day all players keep their mouth shut, avoid eye contact or discussion with their opponent, and 'let the ref decide' when the player is literally feet or inches away from the ball and in a much better position than the ref, is the day I lose a good amount of respect for the sport.

the issue is from the theory of ball goes down, is side, balls go up is edge.
This is maybe correct for 99%, but there is still that 1% that is not correct.
Li had a "bad serve" against Goda.
she served edge, and then maybe edge.
The point was not allocated to Li, but she didn't fuss over it and moved on.

the ball maybe edge and went down, from that angle, it was near impossible to be side.

umpires to me are not earning money at this or any tournaments. I doubt ITTF do eye tests and hearing tests before allowing them to umpire (while players have racket control, anti doping etc)
and then, there is no technology and the rule book is really, too outdated.

most coaches just train players to move on.
and receiving a bad call, is part of the job.

Whether the player purposely didn't speak up, I think has a thin line of calling it sportsmanship/unsportmanship than oppose to cheater.

If any, soccer has the most cheaters and I do see a lot of footballers all striving for grammy awards (including French players 🤭). In terms of table tennis, to me, it is still pretty clean.

 

[turbozed]

Amazing half long serve by Togami here with equally amazing camera work:

https://imgur.com/yXfaRiz

I think more slow mo replays like this would help casual viewers understand just how spinny and low these shots can get. Great stuff

 

[takkyuk]

Uda and Togami losing to Ovtcharov and Franziska in the doubles isn't something I predicted. Seems like a tournament to forget for these two when paired with their brutal singles run against wcq.

 

[dingyibvs]

Shut up you stupid woke… you know nothing about table tennis and worldwide diplomacy.

Before accusing me for racism look at the team I support

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Before accusing me for racism, just look at Eugene Wang

I didn't accuse you of racism, in fact I said nothing of you. Although you do sound like a typical racist guy right now, prefacing a criticism of someone colored by pointing out his colored friends

Now, as for WCQ's serves, I think a lot of hook serves are somewhat hidden. With that said, if the refs aren't gonna call it, it's no use to dwell on it. It's just gonna affect your play down the line by for example using valuable timeout time complaining instead of working on tactics.

It's about fair play. Compare the act of Vladimir Samsonov, who sacrificed the title of European champion for the sake of fair play, and the act of Ma Long at this championship, which actually did not risk anything. It's disgusting in my opinion.

What fair play? It was clearly a side. Ma Long thought so, the umpire thought so, and judging by Wang's reaction he thought so as well. That's why I don't get the controversy. If it was clearly an edge, then yes, I'd agree with ML playing dirty. Heck, even if it was questionable I'd understand some complaining about him getting the benefit of the doubt, but it was clear as day that it was a side.

 

[zeio]

It's about fair play. Compare the act of Vladimir Samsonov, who sacrificed the title of European champion for the sake of fair play, and the act of Ma Long at this championship, which actually did not risk anything. It's disgusting in my opinion.

At last for Vladimir Samsonov, a medal chance beckons - International Table Tennis Federation

by Ian Marshall, ITTF Publications Editor Thoughts of Beijing Dramatic moments at an Olympic Games, Vladimir Samsonov is no stranger to such situations. At the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games, when confronting Sweden’s Jörgen Persson in the fourth round of the Men’s Singles event in the sixth game...

www.ittf.com

 

[tackyfh]

Uda and Togami losing to Ovtcharov and Franziska in the doubles isn't something I predicted. Seems like a tournament to forget for these two when paired with their brutal singles run against wcq.

Coupled with Togami's bold statement to "get both medals in singles and doubles" before the tournament too lmao. I hope the guy can humble down, just because he's the best domestically doesn't mean he can run his mouth like that

 

[NextLevel]

Coupled with Togami's bold statement to "get both medals in singles and doubles" before the tournament too lmao. I hope the guy can humble down, just because he's the best domestically doesn't mean he can run his mouth like that

That's not entirely fair, he is a talented player, he has to voice his worth in advance of knowing the draw, losing to good teams is always a possibility.

 

[takkyuk]

Coupled with Togami's bold statement to "get both medals in singles and doubles" before the tournament too lmao. I hope the guy can humble down, just because he's the best domestically doesn't mean he can run his mouth like that

i don't think there's anything wrong with his statements, it is obvious that one should aspire to win medals before coming in to a tournament.

 

[tackyfh]

I understand his aspiration, but for a player that's nicknamed "uchibenkei" (lion at home, mouse abroad) by the fans that statement just makes him lose credibility.

 

[NextLevel]

I understand his aspiration, but for a player that's nicknamed "uchibenkei" (lion at home, mouse abroad) by the fans that statement just makes him lose credibility.

Losing to Wang Chuqin and Dima/Franziska should never hurt anyone's credibility. Unless you know little about table tennis and just want to put a man down for having aspirations.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

YUAN Jianan was up 10-8 with her serves in G7. Her BH serve was in the net, then she missed her BH receive, and finally missed her BH opening topspin...

normally its me who does this kind of thing all the time...

 

[NextLevel]

YUAN Jianan was up 10-8 with her serves in G7. Her BH serve was in the net, then she missed her BH receive, and finally missed her BH opening topspin...

normally its me who does this kind of thing all the time...

When I watch pros, sometimes, I take comfort that they make the same errors we make, it is just with the game flowing at a much higher speed than ours does.

 

[ronz91]

And there goes Lebrun

 

[tackyfh]

Losing to Wang Chuqin and Dima/Franziska should never hurt anyone's credibility. Unless you know little about table tennis and just want to put a man down for having aspirations.

Then maybe it's me that expect too much from him

 

[Gozo]

Amazing half long serve by Togami here with equally amazing camera work:

https://imgur.com/yXfaRiz

I think more slow mo replays like this would help casual viewers understand just how spinny and low these shots can get. Great stuff

My my, this is a brutal serve. I am glad no rubbers are hurt during the process.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

My my, this is a brutal serve. I am glad no rubbers are hurt during the process.

Goda's rubber tore during her match against Li

 

[Gozo]

Goda's rubber tore during her match against Li

My T05 tore when my clubmate served me a brutal half long serve ( double bounce type ) with the second bounce right at the white line of the FH corner. I'll upload the pic of the damaged T05 later when I get my hands on my blade at home. Now at work.

p/s Was too gung-ho with a BH open-up.

 

[_JOOLA_]

Our Hanna had a good match with Manu from China

 

[blahness]

The side/edge in Ma Long vs Eugene Wang's case seems to be quite borderline because the ball kinda looks like it went off on a flatish angle - very hard to tell whether it's upwards or not.

This is why we need Hawkeye systems in important tournaments with a challenge system. Umpires just cannot make these calls consistently with just the eyes.

My opinion is no one is at fault here, it's the lack of a good system in TT. Ma Long couldn't have known from his viewing angle similar to Persson as he was on the pivot side to the BH, and thus he remained quiet and deferred to the umpire.

There's no reason why Hawkeye cannot be implemented in table tennis, it's there for ages already in badminton and tennis, for the exact same reason.

 

[dingyibvs]

And there goes Lebrun

Lebrun(s) now.

They're still young, need to mature a bit before being able to step it up a notch in big events. Still, they're very talented and they've played to their seeds so overall a solid performance.

Losing to Wang Chuqin and Dima/Franziska should never hurt anyone's credibility. Unless you know little about table tennis and just want to put a man down for having aspirations.

You know how fans are like, the more they love you and are invested in your success, the more they take your failures personally.