WTT Finals Women Nagoya 2023

[blahness]

Look at the LJK vs Lebrun match I posted above. 10-9 Lebrun up in the 4th set, a must win for Lebrun, and how did LJK end up winning? A short push attempt by LJK that pops up, common occurrence and if anything a mistake by him, and Lebrun misses a flick. A spinny loop by LJK that Lebrun misses the counter loop on, which started with a service LJK used throughout the match. Then an easy put away missed by Lebrun that started with a not so great BH push by LJK.

LJK didn't make a spectacular play in any of them. At most he had extra spin on that 2nd point, but it was a high loop to a predictable spot. It was really Lebrun's mistakes that doomed him.

Pros with the quality of Lebrun don't just miss the ball though. It's almost always because the opponent varied something (often spin wise, which can be quite invisible to typical audience unless you were watching the wrist and racket movement like a hawk). Even if it's a pop up or a higher ball, you still have the spin variation to watch out for, and if you read it wrong you're still gonna make a mistake (probably even more considering that the typical pro instinct is to loopkill it)

 

[dingyibvs]

No it's not, the one he did against Alexis was the normal push. The ones he did against Togami in the crucial stages were absolutely loaded with extra wrist acceleration and body usage. Some extra spice... he found Togami's weakness and just continued to exploit it.

No need to belabour one point, he came from 9-10 down, and there are many other examples. Most points are pretty ordinary, the opponents just make more mistakes.

 

[blahness]

No need to belabour one point, he came from 9-10 down, and there are many other examples. Most points are pretty ordinary, the opponents just make more mistakes.

What I'm trying to say is that it's not as simple as training, but also gears of spin and spin variation due to CNT training and of course the special Hurricanes they get (which are dramatically superior to what you can get on the market).

The CNT opponents are all top pro players who will make 90+% of their shots during training. They don't just make mistakes all the time like amateurs. In the end, it's who can produce more spin/placement variations, and who can adjust to them better in the crucial stages.

 

[NextLevel]

But the Japanese team speak of their intentions to defeat China all the time which is totally fine, They practice for it and plan strategies around it. Why do we see their orientation as benign?? Other teams do the same without the lip service too.

I haven't heard the Japanese girls explicitly say things like that their mission is to make sure Japan is the last country standing and that their mission is done once they have done that. Have you? Defeating China is something that every country is trying to do, nothing special at all.

You seem to be developing a hypersensitivity to statements about China.

 

[NextLevel]

What does Chen know that others do not when it comes to Wang Manyu?

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

CXT making a case for making the Olympic team. Near perfect table tennis.

 

[exotick]

Chen actually called a timeout with 6 match points in hand to go 3-0 . She must be taking the pi**

 

[NextLevel]

CXT making a case for making the Olympic team. Near perfect table tennis.

When you have beaten one player 3 times in a row, it becomes less about your level and more about the matchup IMHO.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Han Ying match had breathtaking rallies it’s incredible how much she retrieved and her attacks and spinny counters were deadly

Wang Manyu put a very impressive performance against a very good Yang Xiaoxin. Her technique is so beautiful to watch and she seems much more fit IRL than on TV

In the afternoon, we did cheer hard for Bernadette. She had a lot of luck in G4 but collapsed in G5. I still think she played very well but CXT was even better.

Hayata v Chen Meng was definitely the match of the day. In G1 it seemed we were headed for a harsh 0-3 defeat but Hayata stepped up her game. She fought hard but tbh Chen Meng always seemed in control and confident. She just served long in G4 and G5 as she knew she was winning most rallies. Even if there were some crowd pleaser winners for Hayata she was way too far behind the table to be a real threat. Chen was the more stable player.

https://www.instagram.com/stories/harimoto.miwa0616/3258285262136276579

There is always a backstory behind an Instagram story…
Ofc i wasn’t flying from France 🇫🇷 lol, nor was my buddy

To our great disappointment we couldn’t even watch Miwa’s game. The venue is really in the suburbs of Nagoya and difficult to access. We had to leave else we wouldn’t be able to catch the Shinkansen back to Tokyo.

They started the matches late to show it on TV Tokyo (with one hour delay).

Furthermore the stadium was in the middle of nowhere, there were selling only snacks in the venue . There were no restaurants or fast food around, no supermarkets, just a small convenience store outside….

Big yellow card to the organizers.

 

[Shine]

I haven't heard the Japanese girls explicitly say things like that their mission is to make sure Japan is the last country standing and that their mission is done once they have done that. Have you? Defeating China is something that every country is trying to do, nothing special at all.

You seem to be developing a hypersensitivity to statements about China.

Lol, is it until they mention that, that you'll accept that their intentions are the same as the Chinese??

Of course if they defeat the Chinese, they'll be the last team standing, like duh?

Arguing over semantics is silly.

 

[Shine]

CXT making a case for making the Olympic team. Near perfect table tennis.

She should have tried harder in the Worlds. No chance.

 

[zeio]

CXT 3-0 WMY (9, 4, 5)
ZR 1-3 WYD (-6, -8, 9, -8)

CIC/Li Yu-Jhun 3-0 DHK/ZCZ (9, 8, 2)
Berstrom/Kallberg 0-3 WMY/SYS (-9, -7, -8)

CM vs Ito
118
101, 102 dead net for Ito, 112
No ugliest, only uglier
50, 51, 61, 62, 92, 94 TO for CM, 96, 116

68% of them have never set foot in China.

 

[Sali]

Seems all Chinese already know how to defeat Mima Ito, and she is becoming the easiest victim like Kasumi in the past.

 

[fore.n.back]

it's time Ito, you can retire, open a table tennis club, be a coach and settle down

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

CXT 3-0 WMY (9, 4, 5)
ZR 1-3 WYD (-6, -8, 9, -8)

CIC/Li Yu-Jhun 3-0 DHK/ZCZ (9, 8, 2)
Berstrom/Kallberg 0-3 WMY/SYS (-9, -7, -8)

CM vs Ito
118
101, 102 dead net for Ito, 112
No ugliest, only uglier

Will she retire

it's time Ito, you can retire, open a table tennis club, be a coach and settle down

I dont think she will coach. She’ll just become a mom

 

[zeio]

JJH/SYB vs Nagasaki/Kihara
611
73, 76 TO for KOR, 116 Kihara dropped four in a row.
112
JJH/SYB are aiming for Kihara.
05, 25, 27, 47, 48, 68 TO for JPN, 69, 79, 711
Kihara is fired up.
04 slight net for Nagasaki, 14, 17, 27, 28, 38 sideline edge for JJH, 311
Kudos to Nagasaki for hanging in there while Kihara took a breathing.

NXL/De Nutte 0-3 CM/WYD (-10, -2, -4)

 

[dingyibvs]

The Koreans never had a chance, they were up against Miyutwo in Japan!

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

Everyone gets free kawaii smiles ... double Miyu for the win! Unfazed by JJH's hairdo(Chun Li from Street Fighter vibes), Japan dominates game 5 to take down the top seed S. Korean pair.

 

[NextLevel]

Lol, is it until they mention that, that you'll accept that their intentions are the same as the Chinese??

Of course if they defeat the Chinese, they'll be the last team standing, like duh?

Arguing over semantics is silly.

I think you might need to read the argument before making comments that show you miss the point entirely. Again, if Japan is not presenting itself as a team where individual victory is subjugated to team success, then apply that standard to it is clearly unfair. But since China often does, even in singles events, why is BRS faulting this view from forum members when China had explicitly advocated it as how to look at them?

That is the question you need to answer. Not the ones in your imagination. I understand BRS's perspective and share it but I can't fault someone who shares the other perspective because the Chinese have advocated viewing themselves that way!

 

[driversbeat]

Ito sounds like she has the flu, mentions that the weather has been cold and that she hasn't been able to get enough sleep. Good on her for beating Diaz in this condition. She also seems really stressed and deflated from stress of the Paris race.