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TableTennisDaily
01-26-2016, 05:32 PM
Hello again everyone and welcome to episode 7 of the TableTennisDaily podcast. In this episode we are joined alongside current world number 7 Marcos Freitas. Marcos currently plays for Pontoise Cergy in the French pro A division with former podcast guest Kristian Karlsson as well as Tristan Flore and Jian Jun Wang. Marcos is captain of the Portuguese men's national team, the team that won European team championships in 2014.

We talk to Marcos about his career and how Portugal are so successful with very little resources. Marcos then gives invaluable, extremely detailed information about how different training styles and hard work have taken him to the world top ten. We also ask about his various equipment in which he had some gave some extraordinary insights and discussed his trip to the butterfly factory in Japan where there was parts of factory that even he wasn't allowed into due to tenergy production secrets. We really hope you enjoy this podcast full of fantastic tips and thoughts from one of the worlds greatest players.

We would also like to give a big thank you, personally, to Marcos for giving up such a large amount of time to speak to us as we know he is extremely busy. It's great to see these great players and experts really giving back to the fans. Here's the podcast.

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Breakdown of the podcast

00:00 Intro
01:01 Marcos talks about about how much he currently trains.
01:30 Marcos talks about how he got into table tennis. You
02:05 How good was Marcos at a young age?
02:30 Thoughts in talent.
04:00 Juggling school with training.
04:55 Portuguese table tennis and moving to Germany.
06:20 Current state of Portuguese table tennis.
08:29 Marcos's time at the Werner Schlager academy.
11:10 Some advice from Marcos that he has learnt from top coaches.
12:36 Day to day training for Marcos and most important aspects of training.
14:30 Regular vs Irregular training and more advice for less experienced players.
16:10 Good exercises for regular practise.
18:00 Marcos's take on serve practise.
20:00 What makes a great serve.
22:00 Multi ball.
24:27 Strength and conditioning.
28:45 Dealing with nerves.
29:56 Winning European team championships in 2014.
33:06 Playing Chinese players.
34:37 Ma Long.
36:18 Would training with the Chinese National Team take you to their level?
37:00 Europe vs China, is the standard getting closer?
38:12 Potential of Marcos playing Chinese super league.
39:09 Visiting Butterly HQ In Tokyo. (secret production)
40:48 Marcos's current equipment and bat setup.
41:48 Are rubbers always the same?
42:28 Chinese National Team Hurricane rubber that only Chinese national team have access to. MUST LISTEN!
44:20 Plastic ball.
45:30 TableTennisDaily member/social media questions.

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What do you think about Marcos's opinions on the world of table tennis?
Thanks for listening!

Ilia Minkin
01-26-2016, 05:41 PM
Aaaaaaah, I've been waiting for this for sooooooo long time, immediately tuned in!

TTHopeful
01-26-2016, 07:56 PM
So this means Marcos Freitas used Michael Maze blade when he was sponsored by Tibhar? Excellent podcast :cool:

jedimasterplk
01-26-2016, 08:58 PM
Awesomeness. Absolutely LOVED this interview. Marcos is a top player, and top bloke - great honest answers, never tried to sidestep the q's - he answered everything directly. Great q's Dan

necax007
01-26-2016, 09:43 PM
Oh yeah!! Love how he says that CNT is cheating and ITTF let them do it!

brabhamista
01-27-2016, 07:37 AM
Great stuff! By far the best one yet!

Marcos shares much deeper personal observations and more detailed answers and analysis than previous guests. He clearly lives, breathes and exists in and for table tennis. His ideas come across as very well thought through, honest and straight-forward.

But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying other guest were shallow. It's more likely a combination of his personality, that the quality of questions have improved and that the interview format has matured.

Keep it up the excellent work! It's great to see. And to listen to!

anchorschmidt
01-27-2016, 07:54 AM
You guys are definitely getting better at interviewing

raazzz
01-27-2016, 02:30 PM
Thank you. As good as always!

SquareBall
01-27-2016, 04:07 PM
Isn?t there a chance that some populations in China have through long time evolution and adaptation developed faster reaction times ?
It is a fact, scientifically proven that different populations bodytypes are in general suitable for different sports. For example black athletes with West African ancestry are better at sprinting (more fast twitch muscle fibers) and worse at swimming (high bone density causing them to sink).
Why no one even talks about this scenario?
Apart from that, another great interview, and you are indeed getting better!

Dan
01-27-2016, 04:09 PM
Aaaaaaah, I've been waiting for this for sooooooo long time, immediately tuned in!

Glad you enjoyed the podcast! :)


Awesomeness. Absolutely LOVED this interview. Marcos is a top player, and top bloke - great honest answers, never tried to sidestep the q's - he answered everything directly. Great q's Dan

Agreed he was really talking from his heart, i learned a lot of interesting things. Thanks for listening!


Great stuff! By far the best one yet!

Marcos shares much deeper personal observations and more detailed answers and analysis than previous guests. He clearly lives, breathes and exists in and for table tennis. His ideas come across as very well thought through, honest and straight-forward.

But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying other guest were shallow. It's more likely a combination of his personality, that the quality of questions have improved and that the interview format has matured.

Keep it up the excellent work! It's great to see. And to listen to!

Thanks brabhamista, you can really tell everything Marcos does and thinks goes into table tennis. A genius! Thanks for all the questions you have sent to us that has really helped. Glad you liked the podcast! :)


You guys are definitely getting better at interviewing

Thanks Anchorschmidt!


Thank you. As good as always!

Stay tuned for next weeks raazzz!

Thomas Jeffcott
01-27-2016, 04:29 PM
Isn?t there a chance that some populations in China have through long time evolution and adaptation developed faster reaction times ?
It is a fact, scientifically proven that different populations bodytypes are in general suitable for different sports. For example black athletes with West African ancestry are better at sprinting (more fast twitch muscle fibers) and worse at swimming (high bone density causing them to sink).
Why no one even talks about this scenario?
Apart from that, another great interview, and you are indeed getting better!

Defintely an interesting point, however I think as China have only been dominating since the 1980/90's I don't think it's a case of them being better adpated to dealing with ball speed better. Especially as they don't dominate all sports where having fast reaction times are essential, F1, tennis, Lacrosse, squash etc.. Would be an interesting study though.

SquareBall
01-27-2016, 04:31 PM
I have heard about a study where a buzzer sounds and participants had to press a button and Asians were faster.

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NextLevel
01-27-2016, 05:43 PM
I have heard about a study where a buzzer sounds and participants had to press a button and Asians were faster.

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Were this true, it says little about the particular skills and talents of one individual vs another, and it is not like the Japanese and the Koreans are also dominating table tennis like the Chinese are. It makes sense here to look for environmental contributions. The status of table tennis in China and the government supported competitive structure are obvious ones, but the effect of equipment is not that hard to test and review. Freitas is not the only one who has made these comments about the Chinese rubber either. Even I right now, when I test MX-P and Tenergy 05, I can see that one just generates more spin with my strokes and my blockers tell me the same thing. At least T05 is commercially available.

brabhamista
01-27-2016, 05:45 PM
Isn?t there a chance that some populations in China have through long time evolution and adaptation developed faster reaction times ?

The way I see it: No, there's no chance of that.

Just faster reactions does not make a great player. Table tennis is just to complex a sport and I think to explain success in table tennis in terms of genetics is just too simplistic. A player needs to hone a much larger skillset to get to the top, IMHO.

If we presume genetics do explain it, we run into trouble immediately. How do we explain the 15-20 years in the 80's and 90's when the Swedes were at the same level as and sometimes greater than the Chinese? Did their genetics suddenly evolve to a higher level for one generation only and then regress again in the 00's in some kind of temporary genetic re-alignment? (Sure, it could possibly have something to do with Chernobyl, but I really don't think so. :p ) The evolution of genetics spans more than a generation, and it takes centuries or millennia to develop.

No, in my view, the success of the Chinese is mainly down to training methods, superior research into the sport, financial support, well-developped infrastructure, etc.

Still, your question is interesting :)

SquareBall
01-27-2016, 06:23 PM
We are talking about odds here, the fact for example that Asians are shorter than Europeans doesn?t mean that any given European would be taller than any Asian. It means that if we measured all Europeans and calculated the average height it would be more than Asian average.

When we are talking about genetics we aren?t talking about huge differences but at the cutting edge of the sport, at the very best level the slightest thing can determine who wins and who looses.

And about 80?or 90?I bet that at 60?, 70?there were much less table tennis tables in Europe than China explaining the lower level of Chinese.

Last but not least I suggest we should talk about populations(and I¨m sorry to have talked in post above about Asians) because take for example Africa. East African body type is radically different to west African. One has good Marathon runners and other has good sprinters.

Suga D
01-27-2016, 08:20 PM
Sorry Dan, for answering to a thread-hijack.

@Squareball, i agree that on the highest levels the smallest details can make a difference, but the other stuff you wrote?
Sorry to say, but IMHO that's really bollocks, man.

In germany we had an idiot, who actually even was austrian, who's also been thinkin' of the superiority of genetics or race. We all know where that lead to. So please understand that i deny to follow this way of elitary thinkin' and instead try to find a different and more solid explanation.

I think it's mainly a mindset thing. The chinese are very disciplined and focused when it comes to practicing things and are also very good in creating the right surroundings and infrastructure.

Doesn't matter if Martial Arts or Tabletennis.
E.g. just take a look at the shaolin monks. Whatever they practice, they practice it very determined....
Same goes for TT.
Look how disciplined they train from very early age. Shaolin monks used to do that too.
Some people say tabletennis is sort of like high-speed chess, but i think it's more like chessboxin'.
A mixture of chess and boxin' :)

In the late eighties and nineties the chinese sent one player to sweden to learn about speedglue-play which was very dominant that days.
In the 70's the japanese were very dominant.
So i really think you're on the wrong path.
You also find determined practicing in Europe or elsewhere, but the chinese are simply more people and hence can pick from a bigger pool of players than any other nation...

Now back to topic:
Amazing Interview once more, Dan. One can really hear some improvement. Lookin' forward into the future.

NextLevel
01-27-2016, 08:49 PM
We are talking about odds here, the fact for example that Asians are shorter than Europeans doesn?t mean that any given European would be taller than any Asian. It means that if we measured all Europeans and calculated the average height it would be more than Asian average.

When we are talking about genetics we aren?t talking about huge differences but at the cutting edge of the sport, at the very best level the slightest thing can determine who wins and who looses.

And about 80?or 90?I bet that at 60?, 70?there were much less table tennis tables in Europe than China explaining the lower level of Chinese.

Last but not least I suggest we should talk about populations(and I¨m sorry to have talked in post above about Asians) because take for example Africa. East African body type is radically different to west African. One has good Marathon runners and other has good sprinters.

I am not saying that genetics has no role in this discussion, but it is not in the way you are analyzing it. IT seems to me that you are new to these arguments and don't really understand them.

I am saying that if you look at Marcos Freitas, and you look at Ma Long, you cannot use genetics to explain why Ma Long is better than Marcos Freitas in the way that you are doing so. IT doesn't matter whether the probability of Quadri Aruna is 1/1000,000 and the probability of Ma Long is 1/10,000, they are who they are today. It is if you want to explain why tjere are 20 Quadri Arunas but 60 Ma Longs that population genetics can help you. Again, it does nothing about individuals, and it is individuals we are speaking about here. Samsonov is not going to be explained by genetics.

It is also the hardest place to start, so it is better to start by looking at things you can actually test, rather than looking at things you cannot test and then just claiming that this is the answer and then not being able to do anything about it. You can use population genetics type analysis to argue that there is a difference between China and Sweden, but even then, you would run into the arguments that Brahmista made that just less than 30 years ago, and many players on those teams haven't had children, things were pretty much level between Asia and Europe.

The only way you could really measure genetics is by giving Ma Long and Marcos Freitas clones and then seeing how well the clones perform. Otherwise, you can't tell whether it was genetics or experience for each particular trait you claim is influenced by genetic superiority. Good luck with that. The clones would have to be able to show that whatever you measure in the trained athletes is largely a result of the unexposed genes which is fairly hard to measure.

So in the absence of tests, what has been pointed out is that EVERY Chinese player is using a rubber on the forehand that other top players cannot use. So let's address this first. This you can actually test and analyze. If you want to test the idea that Ma Long has better genes than Freitas, good luck with that.

Makelele
01-27-2016, 09:59 PM
[QUOTE=NextLevel;134397] Even I right now, when I test MX-P and Tenergy 05, I can see that one just generates more spin with my strokes and my blockers tell me the same thing. At least T05 is commercially available.[/QUOTE/]

Hi NL, which of those is spinner? And what about Big Dipper compared to both?

SquareBall
01-27-2016, 10:53 PM
Sorry Dan, for answering to a thread-hijack.

@Squareball, i agree that on the highest levels the smallest details can make a difference, but the other stuff you wrote?
Sorry to say, but IMHO that's really bollocks, man.

In germany we had an idiot, who actually even was austrian, who's also been thinkin' of the superiority of genetics or race. We all know where that lead to. So please understand that i deny to follow this way of elitary thinkin' and instead try to find a different and more solid explanation.

I think it's mainly a mindset thing. The chinese are very disciplined and focused when it comes to practicing things and are also very good in creating the right surroundings and infrastructure.

Doesn't matter if Martial Arts or Tabletennis.
E.g. just take a look at the shaolin monks. Whatever they practice, they practice it very determined....
Same goes for TT.
Look how disciplined they train from very early age. Shaolin monks used to do that too.
Some people say tabletennis is sort of like high-speed chess, but i think it's more like chessboxin'.
A mixture of chess and boxin' :)

In the late eighties and nineties the chinese sent one player to sweden to learn about speedglue-play which was very dominant that days.
In the 70's the japanese were very dominant.
So i really think you're on the wrong path.
You also find determined practicing in Europe or elsewhere, but the chinese are simply more people and hence can pick from a bigger pool of players than any other nation...

Now back to topic:
Amazing Interview once more, Dan. One can really hear some improvement. Lookin' forward into the future.
First of all, I didn't talk about superiority of genetics nor race. The things I stated about different African populations have been scientifically proven. I don't see how saying that X population has developed Y characteristics through evolution process is racist.

The discipline, focus and determination of this people is the most obvious explanation and probably the truth. But why saying so isn't racist?

I think people in Japan left the agricultural way of life sooner than in China which I think didn't have many table tennis tables or players back in the 70'. Of course I am not from Japan or China so I could be wrong. Also explain why you don't think this to be the case ? I found this in wikipedia: In the 1930s, Edgar Snow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Snow) commented in Red Star Over China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Star_Over_China) that the Communist forces in the Chinese Civil War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War) had a "passion for the English game of table tennis" which he found "bizarre".[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_tennis#cite_note-12) On the other hand, popularity of the sport waned in 1930s Soviet Union, partly because of promotion of team and military sports, and partly because of a theory that the game had adverse health effects.[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_tennis#cite_note-13)

Chinese are indeed a lot of people for sure but comparing to the rest of the world their pool is 4 times smaller and has many good players compared to its pool.

Lastly, I don't think calling ones opinion bullocks will help us analyze, we are not enemies here it's a forum so that we discuss table tennis things and probably be friends. Like the NY meet up, I really enjoyed following through the pics :) !

SquareBall
01-27-2016, 11:17 PM
I am not saying that genetics has no role in this discussion, but it is not in the way you are analyzing it. IT seems to me that you are new to these arguments and don't really understand them.

I am saying that if you look at Marcos Freitas, and you look at Ma Long, you cannot use genetics to explain why Ma Long is better than Marcos Freitas in the way that you are doing so. IT doesn't matter whether the probability of Quadri Aruna is 1/1000,000 and the probability of Ma Long is 1/10,000, they are who they are today. It is if you want to explain why tjere are 20 Quadri Arunas but 60 Ma Longs that population genetics can help you. Again, it does nothing about individuals, and it is individuals we are speaking about here. Samsonov is not going to be explained by genetics.

It is also the hardest place to start, so it is better to start by looking at things you can actually test, rather than looking at things you cannot test and then just claiming that this is the answer and then not being able to do anything about it. You can use population genetics type analysis to argue that there is a difference between China and Sweden, but even then, you would run into the arguments that Brahmista made that just less than 30 years ago, and many players on those teams haven't had children, things were pretty much level between Asia and Europe.

The only way you could really measure genetics is by giving Ma Long and Marcos Freitas clones and then seeing how well the clones perform. Otherwise, you can't tell whether it was genetics or experience for each particular trait you claim is influenced by genetic superiority. Good luck with that. The clones would have to be able to show that whatever you measure in the trained athletes is largely a result of the unexposed genes which is fairly hard to measure.

So in the absence of tests, what has been pointed out is that EVERY Chinese player is using a rubber on the forehand that other top players cannot use. So let's address this first. This you can actually test and analyze. If you want to test the idea that Ma Long has better genes than Freitas, good luck with that.
I agree in many things but I am not talking about the podcast Ma Long discussion but the China dominance podcast discussion and that Fh rubber plays a role. Listening to it I thought I should raise this possibility which I think you agree could be part of the story. But indeed the Fh rubber theory is interesting as well, and the mysticism around it, with Dimitrij Ovtcharov and Marcos Freitas opinions, empower it further (But we have to consider they haven't tried it).

Whether it is easier to prove one or the other I don't know. I would like to hear the opinion on the rubber matter of a forum member that I remember has good knowledge of physics Pnachtwey (http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/member.php?868-Pnachtwey) .

NextLevel
01-27-2016, 11:19 PM
i would like to hear the opinion on the rubber matter of a forum member that i remember has good knowledge of physics pnachtwey (http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/member.php?868-pnachtwey) .

lolololol.... He doesn't design or manufacture TT rubbers. You could as well ask him to teach you how to fly to the moon.


On the podcast though, I found his answer to one of my questions interesting (he answered the others basically with all his in-depth and honest answers throughout the podcast). Changing the exercises that your coach gives you is interesting as is not listening sometimes during a match.

Makelele
01-28-2016, 12:14 AM
Hey, NextLevel, you skipped my question, haha. Look a couple of posts above.


Edit: I don't know how to delete "Table tennis daily presents" and the icon....haha

NextLevel
01-28-2016, 12:48 AM
Hey, NextLevel, you skipped my question, haha. Look a couple of posts above.


Edit: I don't know how to delete "Table tennis daily presents" and the icon....haha

Your question is already answered in the post that I made it in (T05). This thread is supposed to be about one of the greatest podcasts if not the greatest TT podcast of all time. LEt's keep it that way.

UpSideDownCarl
01-28-2016, 05:26 AM
I am thinking that China scouts talent for table tennis starting at 4 years old the way they scout talent for gymnastics. Then, the children who are selected as potentially having talent to be top players get trained as children in a special school where they train for table tennis for as much as 6 hours a day.

As far as I know, there is no other country that scouts and trains talent for table tennis they way China does.


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ttmonster
01-28-2016, 06:54 AM
Dan , this has to be the best table tennis interview I have listened too ! He is a great subject and very forthcoming on every question. This is very educational and informative, I guess it helps that he is not from the typical "table tennis" country and I guess some of Schlagers enthusiasm and openness has rubbed off on him for the amount of time he has spent at WSA :)

UpSideDownCarl
01-28-2016, 12:40 PM
I can't believe you didn't get it yet.
it's not genetics.
it's not training methods.
it's not training facilities.
it's not better coaches.

IT'S THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO PLAY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why does argentina have the best football players?
BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN ARGENTINA PLAYS FOOTBALL!!!!
why does china have the best table tennis players?
BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN CHINA PLAYS TABLE TENNIS!!!!

as for the chinese rubbers, as I have already said in the vulcanize me thread they are an advantage.
marcos freitas agrees.
ovtcharov agrees.

upsidedowncarl does not agree and thinks it's all hard hard hard hard work.
nextlevel does not agree and thinks it's all hard hard hard hard work.
deretche does not agree and thinks it's all hard hard hard hard work.

so let's go ahead and create endless discussions because clearly we are not sure yet.

omg....

Well, actually, I think you have a point here. Everyone does play in China. But it certainly helps that they scout kids at such a young age and have them in special schools.

That being said, it doesn't change that your attitude is more than a bit off and you are obviously more about trying to put others down than about adding useful dialogue.


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SquareBall
01-28-2016, 01:30 PM
We just have to be carefull, you can easily conclude that Kenyan and Ethiopian athletes dominate long distance running because from a very early age they have to walk distances to go to school, etc but there are quite a few of those athletes questioned who claim to have lived near school and not fall in that category.

Also there is another question, does one country excel in a sport because a lot of them try it or do a lot of them try it because they excel at it ?

Marcos Freitas told in the podcast that multiball is very good technique with many benefits.

Saevio
01-28-2016, 03:01 PM
We just have to be carefull, you can easily conclude that Kenyan and Ethiopian athletes dominate long distance running because from a very early age they have to walk distances to go to school, etc but there are quite a few of those athletes questioned who claim to have lived near school and not fall in that category.

Also there is another question, does one country excel in a sport because a lot of them try it or do a lot of them try it because they excel at it ?

Marcos Freitas told in the podcast that multiball is very good technique with many benefits.

Read "Bounce" by Matthew Syed, or look at one of his talks on youtube.

There are in fact "hotspots" for creating exceptional athletes around the world, very similar to the animal kingdom.For the long distance running, for instance:
"The majority of elite Kenyan runners come from near a town called Eldoret.Eldoret, it turns out, is at high altitude.
Running and training at altitude will increase lung capacity, making you a better endurance athlete. And why are Kenyan athletes better than those from other high altitude countries? Syed says that Kenyan children run huge distances to school, sometimes as much as 20 kilometres each day.
They do it not for fun, but out of necessity – but the upshot is, that by the time they’re in their mid teens, they have unconsciously accumulated thousands of hours of practice."


The same can be said about Brazilians and their futsal, which is a more technically demanding version of football, played all over in Brazil (as well as in portugal).

They even mention the Chinese and multiball, which has now spread around the world; whenever a study was made into the "racially superior" theories, they found that it was more localised than that, and that usually a sub-culture or specific environment had persisted through more than one generation, allowing for specialisation.

UpSideDownCarl
01-28-2016, 06:17 PM
you shouldn't worry about my attitude and the way I express myself.
you are not my parents, my teacher, nothing.
it's exactly the kind of thing baal and fatt did.

Well, I disagree. If it was just that you have a lousy attitude about so much, it would be one thing. But, you have a lousy attitude and like to put other people down.

Now the truth is, you are consistently the one who looks bad in those circumstances, but, given the fact that I am one of the people you are trying to ATTACT and be argumentative with, your attitude comes right to the forefront of what IS most definitely something I SHOULD CONCERN myself with.

And funny how, in your comment about the podcast, you start off by saying it is good. Then you go on to say how, more would be boring because they would all be basically the same. And then you start making fun of the general forum member who tries lots of different equipment.

It seems like it is hard for you to present useful information without trying to insult as many people as possible in your next sentence. Hmmm....interesting.


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Suga D
01-28-2016, 07:03 PM
just please stop answering to my posts and everybody will be happy :)
just ignore them, act as if I don't exist.
not so hard to do.

I actually looks like it was your intention to provoke.

I remember a Joker who presented a website he created himself about FZD Blade and tried to make it look as if it wasn't done by him.... Looks as if someone's really got some serious issues here :D

ttmonster
01-28-2016, 07:35 PM
Buddy you are posting in a public forum so every body has a right to meddle.
And what does it mean "ignore your posts" , you are being a public nuisance and you are insulting everybody.
if you don't want anybody to respond to what you think or say , close your doors and windows , get a typewriter and keep writing "all work and no play makes jack a dull boy"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIqq9GusbSQ

no.
when I write stop reading or answering to my posts I mean to stop reading and answering to my posts.

also when I write a post directed to x person in particular, it's not very wise to get in the middle of the conversation.
it's not your place it's not something you are involved in.
why mess with it?

if everybody followed these simple rules life on this planet would be so much easier and enjoyable :rolleyes:

ttmonster
01-28-2016, 07:52 PM
Do you understand english ? you are posting in "PUBLIC" forum, do you understand what that word means ? you have no right to set down your rules ! You can do it in your own home , get it ?

And don't try to give lessons in human behavior , through your posts you have already demonstrated your own understanding !


it's basic correct human behaviour.
if I write in a vulcanize my balls thread answering to a post of the thread starter -> if you are not thread starter -> ignore my post
if I write a post directed to downsideupcarl -> if you are not carl -> ignore my post
if I write a message saying "please ignore my posts" -> do not go to a psychiatrist and behaviour experts trying to find hidden knowledges in my post -> just take the words as the come.
1- ignore
2- my
3 posts

simple guide that will make everybody's life easier. :)

now where is ma long.
I'm waiting for you buddy.

UpSideDownCarl
01-28-2016, 08:10 PM
Yep. An instigator who writes inflammatory comments and then tells everybody to ignore his comments, but wants to keep making inflammatory comments.

As I already said, your lousy attitude only makes you look like the small minded person you continually show yourself to be.

Hypocritical, egocentric, instigator.

If you don't like having it given back to you, then you should actually follow your own advice.

What was it again:


1- ignore
2- my
3 posts

Why don't you follow your own directions instead of trying to tell other people what to do?

Obviously, since you are posting in a public forum and are repeatedly attacking pretty much everyone, it is obvious you are making the attacks because you actually want people to respond.

But we all can see that you are a low life who is just trying to cause arguments.




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UpSideDownCarl
01-28-2016, 08:22 PM
Do you understand english ? you are posting in "PUBLIC" forum, do you understand what that word means ? you have no right to set down your rules ! You can do it in your own home , get it ?

And don't try to give lessons in human behavior , through your posts you have already demonstrated your own understanding !

100% correct. But it is even beyond that. He is insulting people, making inflammatory comments about specific people and everyone else in general and then, after using someone's name, then he says:


ignore my post.

Hey Spaz-Aqueer ingnore my post.


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Suga D
01-28-2016, 08:24 PM
First of all, I didn't talk about superiority of genetics nor race. The things I stated about different African populations have been scientifically proven. I don't see how saying that X population has developed Y characteristics through evolution process is racist.

The discipline, focus and determination of this people is the most obvious explanation and probably the truth. But why saying so isn't racist?

I think people in Japan left the agricultural way of life sooner than in China which I think didn't have many table tennis tables or players back in the 70'. Of course I am not from Japan or China so I could be wrong. Also explain why you don't think this to be the case ? I found this in wikipedia: In the 1930s, Edgar Snow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Snow) commented in Red Star Over China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Star_Over_China) that the Communist forces in the Chinese Civil War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War) had a "passion for the English game of table tennis" which he found "bizarre".[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_tennis#cite_note-12) On the other hand, popularity of the sport waned in 1930s Soviet Union, partly because of promotion of team and military sports, and partly because of a theory that the game had adverse health effects.[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_tennis#cite_note-13)

Chinese are indeed a lot of people for sure but comparing to the rest of the world their pool is 4 times smaller and has many good players compared to its pool.

Lastly, I don't think calling ones opinion bullocks will help us analyze, we are not enemies here it's a forum so that we discuss table tennis things and probably be friends. Like the NY meet up, I really enjoyed following through the pics :) !

Sorry, writing 'bollocks' might have been a little rude. But it was a spontaneous reaction of mine and wasn't meant to offend.

So let me rephrase that: i just think you're not right with your conclusions.
But don't you think it's just a little too easy to think it's just genetics?

I really can't agree. I think populationwise China has got the highest number and hence largest pool of players.
Which Nation you know except india has such masses of population?

UpSideDownCarl
01-28-2016, 08:26 PM
1st and most basic rule broken: all non marcos talk is out

I'm done guys, this world has no hope, see you in the next life.

Seems you are the one where it started.


upsidedowncarl does not agree and thinks it's all hard hard hard hard work.
nextlevel does not agree and thinks it's all hard hard hard hard work.
deretche does not agree and thinks it's all hard hard hard hard work.

so let's go ahead and create endless discussions because clearly we are not sure yet.

omg....

To quote the instigator yet again:
"most basic rule broken: all non marcos talk is out"


Sent from Deep Space by Abacus

Suga D
01-28-2016, 08:34 PM
1- ignore
2- my
3 posts
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I still don't get it. Maybe i'm just not smart enough for your special kind of logic.

What was your intention of posting here, again??

:D :D :D

SquareBall
01-28-2016, 09:07 PM
Chinese are indeed a lot of people for sure but comparing to the rest of the world their pool is 4 times smaller and has many good players compared to its pool. Suga you told that China has better players because it has a bigger pool to choose from and I am saying that it hasn't got better players from just one country it has better and more good players than all countries of the world united which got a ~4 times bigger pool.

Apart from that, I have nowhere told that I'm sure this scenario is true, because I am not. I think we should examine it, maybe even ask a pro in a future podcast.

Sorry accepted of course !

Suga D
01-29-2016, 06:01 PM
Suga you told that China has better players because it has a bigger pool to choose from and I am saying that it hasn't got better players from just one country it has better and more good players than all countries of the world united which got a ~4 times bigger pool.

Apart from that, I have nowhere told that I'm sure this scenario is true, because I am not. I think we should examine it, maybe even ask a pro in a future podcast.

Sorry accepted of course !

Hey Squareball, of course the world's pool is bigger. No question about that.
But does the 'world' practice together like the CNT do??

I don't think so, even if i must admit, that i'd like to see that...

Most coaches i know will tell you that 'natural' talent makes about 10% (sometimes even less), the other 90% (sometimes even more) is pure hard work.... ;)

Dan
01-29-2016, 06:31 PM
Now back to topic:
Amazing Interview once more, Dan. One can really hear some improvement. Lookin' forward into the future.

Glad you liked the interview Suga. We have more podcasts lined up which I hope you enjoy and can learn from :)


Dan , this has to be the best table tennis interview I have listened too ! He is a great subject and very forthcoming on every question. This is very educational and informative, I guess it helps that he is not from the typical "table tennis" country and I guess some of Schlagers enthusiasm and openness has rubbed off on him for the amount of time he has spent at WSA :)

Hey ttmonster, I agree he is such a great guy! He opens and responds to all the questions amazingly. It sounds like the WSA is a fantastic place, doing great things! Thanks again!

TTFrenzy
01-30-2016, 03:24 AM
Guys, china isnt no1 because everybody plays table tennis. Its their mentality and systematic training. Arguements like "everybody in brazil" plays football are plain stupid if you ask me. In many latin countries all the kids play soccer or basketball but their country isnt world champion for 16 consecutive years in team competition.

Sebas aguirre is hilarious, dont pay attention to him and please check this video from Richard prause, very informative


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eyPEvtywdU

Thomas Jeffcott
01-30-2016, 03:13 PM
Guys, china isnt no1 because everybody plays table tennis. Its their mentality and systematic training. Arguements like "everybody in brazil" plays football are plain stupid if you ask me. In many latin countries all the kids play soccer or basketball but their country isnt world champion for 16 consecutive years in team competition.

Sebas aguirre is hilarious, dont pay attention to him and please check this video from Richard prause, very informative


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eyPEvtywdU

I agree and disagree the fact that they have so many players helps but is definitely not the only deciding factor as there are many, as you say their mentality and training methods are one of many other important reasons. Great Video by the way, Richard Prause really is one of the most knowledgable guys in world table tennis. We have recorded a podcast with him which is to be released soon so be sure to keep an eye out!

ronz91
01-30-2016, 04:40 PM
great stuff guys, keep it up!

Kobecouyoumjian
01-31-2016, 06:49 AM
[QUOTE=TableTennisDaily;134317]Hello again everyone and welcome to episode 7 of the TableTennisDaily podcast. In this episode we are joined alongside current world number 7 Marcos Freitas. Marcos currently plays for Pontoise Cergy in the French pro A division with former podcast guest Kristian Karlsson as well as Tristan Flore and Jian Jun Wang. Marcos is captain of the Portuguese men's national team, the team that won European team championships in 2014.

We talk to Marcos about his career and how Portugal are so successful with very little resources. Marcos then gives invaluable, extremely detailed information about how different training styles and hard work have taken him to the world top ten. We also ask about his various equipment in which he had some gave some extraordinary insights and discussed his trip to the butterfly factory in Japan where there was parts of factory that even he wasn't allowed into due to tenergy production secrets. We really hope you enjoy this podcast full of fantastic tips and thoughts from one of the worlds greatest players.

We would also like to give a big thank you, personally, to Marcos for giving up such a large amount of time to speak to us as we know he is extremely busy. It's great to see these great players and experts really giving back to the fans. Here's the podcast.

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Breakdown of the podcast

00:00 Intro
01:01 Marcos talks about about how much he currently trains.
01:30 Marcos talks about how he got into table tennis. You
02:05 How good was Marcos at a young age?
02:30 Thoughts in talent.
04:00 Juggling school with training.
04:55 Portuguese table tennis and moving to Germany.
06:20 Current state of Portuguese table tennis.
08:29 Marcos's time at the Werner Schlager academy.
11:10 Some advice from Marcos that he has learnt from top coaches.
12:36 Day to day training for Marcos and most important aspects of training.
14:30 Regular vs Irregular training and more advice for less experienced players.
16:10 Good exercises for regular practise.
18:00 Marcos's take on serve practise.
20:00 What makes a great serve.
22:00 Multi ball.
24:27 Strength and conditioning.
28:45 Dealing with nerves.
29:56 Winning European

Kobecouyoumjian
01-31-2016, 07:03 AM
Keep up the Podcast try to do as many as you can i love this so much that you TableTennisDaily

Baal
02-28-2016, 03:07 AM
These podcasts a unique feature and it makes this site a must-visit for any table tennis fan. I was really impressed with the quality of the questions and the quality of the answers. My guess is that he enjoyed being asked intelligent table tennis questions. I loved the honesty of his answers. I just became big fan. One thing towards the end I thought was interesting is his mentioning that players can be good without feeling, which you either have or you don't. I was also interested that along with everything else, he thinks Ma Long may also have the best serves. I need to watch that more closely. Not surprisingly, he likes Nittaku Premium and Butterfly G40+ balls better. Interesting also that he has used the same old Maze blade for a decade.

Dan
02-29-2016, 12:03 PM
Keep up the Podcast try to do as many as you can i love this so much that you TableTennisDaily

Will do Kobe! :)


These podcasts a unique feature and it makes this site a must-visit for any table tennis fan. I was really impressed with the quality of the questions and the quality of the answers. My guess is that he enjoyed being asked intelligent table tennis questions. I loved the honesty of his answers. I just became big fan. One thing towards the end I thought was interesting is his mentioning that players can be good without feeling, which you either have or you don't. I was also interested that along with everything else, he thinks Ma Long may also have the best serves. I need to watch that more closely. Not surprisingly, he likes Nittaku Premium and Butterfly G40+ balls better. Interesting also that he has used the same old Maze blade for a decade.

Thanks Baal, much appreciated! I really like his honest answers to, i think that's what makes this podcast really cool to listen to is that he is very open with his answers. Your right about Ma Long's serves, I just watched him in his opening match at the WTTTC against Choe II and the deception in Ma Long's serve is phenomenal. I wonder if his Maze blade is from the black tag edition :D

Baal
02-29-2016, 03:28 PM
I think it would have to be a black tag from that era.