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TableTennisDaily
05-06-2017, 12:58 PM
Dimitrij Ovtcharov's bid to play with Jun Mizutani or Vladimir samsonov in the doubles event at the 2017 World Championships (https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?15430-World-Table-Tennis-Championships-2017) has been rejected! DTTB the German Table Tennis Assocation has refused for Ovtcharov to play with Mizutani or Samsonov. Ovtcharov pictured above with Russian League team mates Mizutani and Samsonov:

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/dimitrijovtcharovwttc2017.jpg

Dimitrij Ovtcharov has made a statement about the situation, "I am disappointed that I won't get the chance to play the doubles event at the #ITTFWorlds2017 in Dusseldorf even though i had the opportunity to play with Jun Mizutani. Anyways I will of course do my best for the singles event".

Ovtcharov shared this German News Article here: http://m.focus.de/sport/mehrsport/tischtennis-wm-kein-wm-start-im-doppel-tischtennis-ass-ovtcharov-von-verband-enttaeuscht_id_7078745.html

The German Team have sent these 3 doubles teams:

1. Timo Boll and Ma Long
2. Patrick Franziska and Jonathan Groth
3. Ruwen Filus and Ricardo Walther

Ovtcharov has said why is Timo allowed to play with Ma Long...

What do you think of this decision?

Baal
05-06-2017, 01:51 PM
He should get to play with who he wants now that the rules allow it.

NextLevel
05-06-2017, 01:55 PM
Every country is allowed two pairings (not sure about hosts), and Dima and JM would not allow Germany one more player. It probably makes more sense for Germany to field another home duo. Medal chances also factor in and Dima is not necessarily the best doubles player in the world.

yoass
05-06-2017, 01:57 PM
I've read the article and still fail to understand why. Theres Timo Boll/Ma Long, and room for a second (partly) german doubles couple; and though Patrick Franszeska/Jonathan Groth are mentioned, the actual decision on that second double seems so unclear.

NextLevel
05-06-2017, 02:08 PM
I've read the article and still fail to understand why. Theres Timo Boll/Ma Long, and room for a second (partly) german doubles couple; and though Patrick Franszeska/Jonathan Groth are mentioned, the actual decision on that second double seems so unclear.

It seems Germany is allowed 3 entries. I think the issue is Dima's doubles ability and the idea of having all three pairings be with foreigners.

ajtatosmano2
05-06-2017, 02:17 PM
Someone up in the German TT Association's power-ladder wants a full german double. Such a sh*t. I feel bad for Dima and Mizutani too. I think Japan will send Oshima-Morizono (for a reason) and Niwa-Yoshimura (still think there would be better pairing).

sanavasaraja
05-06-2017, 02:44 PM
If my german serves me right, he mentions that for reasons he doesn't understand, he "could've played" doubles with a chinese player, but not with a foreign non-chinese player.

...which is... odd :/

NextLevel
05-06-2017, 02:47 PM
If my german serves me right, he mentions that for reasons he doesn't understand, he "could've played" doubles with a chinese player, but not with a foreign non-chinese player.

...which is... odd :/

Odd and makes no sense, since he would be limiting China's doubles partners opportunities. I think he was just trying to make a comparison to Boll though without offending Boll.

IMO, the only realistic pairing is Samsonov (Mizutani would have limited Japan's teams), and Samsonov is not a beast in Doubles. You can't blame Germany for wanting to field high level teams in such critical events.

ajtatosmano2
05-06-2017, 03:18 PM
IMO, the only realistic pairing is Samsonov (Mizutani would have limited Japan's teams), and Samsonov is not a beast in Doubles. You can't blame Germany for wanting to field high level teams in such critical events.

Yes, Japan should have sacrifice the Niwa-Yoshimura double, but IMO the Ovcharov-Mizutani double would be strong. Ovcharov and Mizutani might not be the best doubles players but they aren't bad either. They are good players and they developed since we saw them playing doubles. And they practised together in leagues and I am sure that they played doubles too and they felt confident enough to ask the association.

EDIT: Soo much 'and' (°.°) I feel myself embarrassed

ttmonster
05-06-2017, 03:25 PM
Come on , are you telling me that Niwa-Yoshimura , a 50-50 medal prospect should be sacrificed for a rookie pair , none of whom have showed any interest or competence in doubles in international competition till now. I have seen Dima play doubles and he is not good . Most of his game is based on his high toss sidespin serves and its very difficult to form a winning team with a new player with a play like that just before the world championship ... it would just have been a popular initiative and after recent performances where the german team did not live up to their potential the german national committee is bound to be cautious about their decision making and medal prospects ... you have to understand this is not CNT who are pretty much sure about their medals and just trying to popularize the sport ... these are contenders who are hanging on by the skin of their nails to make life hard for CNT players , the best they can


Yes, Japan should have sacrifice the Niwa-Yoshimura double, but IMO the Ovcharov-Mizutani double would be strong. Ovcharov and Mizutani might not be the best doubles players but they aren't bad either. They are good players and they developed since we saw them playing doubles. And they practised together in leagues and I am sure that they played doubles too and they felt confident enough to ask the association.

ajtatosmano2
05-06-2017, 03:59 PM
Come on , are you telling me that Niwa-Yoshimura , a 50-50 medal prospect should be sacrificed for a rookie pair , none of whom have showed any interest or competence in doubles in international competition till now. I have seen Dima play doubles and he is not good . Most of his game is based on his high toss sidespin serves and its very difficult to form a winning team with a new player with a play like that just before the world championship ... it would just have been a popular initiative and after recent performances where the german team did not live up to their potential the german national committee is bound to be cautious about their decision making and medal prospects ... you have to understand this is not CNT who are pretty much sure about their medals and just trying to popularize the sport ... these are contenders who are hanging on by the skin of their nails to make life hard for CNT players , the best they can

Ok, it's just my personal opinion that they would be strong. And I think that the Niwa - Yoshimura double can beat any weaker double, but there is a lot of doubles which can beat them.

They struggled against:
Jang Woojin - Jeong Sangeun
Chen Chien-An - Liao Cheng-Ting/Chiang Hung-Chieh
Jeoung Youngsik - Lee Sangsu
Ho Kwan Kit - Lam Siu Hang

and they get beaten bad by:
Filus Ruwen - Walther Ricardo
Karlson Mattias - Fabian Akerstrom
any chinese and japanese doubles

In WTTC they will die early. (I hope I won't be right)
Their results are beating weak week doubles and then win or lose 3-2 to any stronger one.
The only notable result is beating Ma Long - Xu Xin, which is admirable, but it just happened once, since then they haven't had even a close match against CNT players.

I get it that the Ovcharov - Mizutani is rookie and neither of them is a good doubles player, but don't think they are worse than the Niwa-Yoshimura. And a totally new and unanylized double might have better chances against the CNT.

A little off, but I want the Niwa - Matsudaira double back :(

(we don't have to kill each other, we are both saying our thoughts. We haven't seen playing the Mizutani - Dima double, so there is no evidence)

NextLevel
05-06-2017, 04:13 PM
Ok, it's just my personal opinion that they would be strong. And I think that the Niwa - Yoshimura double can beat any weaker double, but there is a lot of doubles which can beat them.

They struggled against:
Jang Woojin - Jeong Sangeun
Chen Chien-An - Liao Cheng-Ting/Chiang Hung-Chieh
Jeoung Youngsik - Lee Sangsu
Ho Kwan Kit - Lam Siu Hang

and they get beaten bad by:
Filus Ruwen - Walther Ricardo
Karlson Mattias - Fabian Akerstrom
any chinese and japanese doubles

In WTTC they will die early. (I hope I won't be right)
Their results are beating weak week doubles and then win or lose 3-2 to any stronger one.
The only notable result is beating Ma Long - Xu Xin, which is admirable, but it just happened once, since then they haven't had even a close match against CNT players.

I get it that the Ovcharov - Mizutani is rookie and neither of them is a good doubles player, but don't think they are worse than the Niwa-Yoshimura. And a totally new and unanylized double might have better chances against the CNT.

A little off, but I want the Niwa - Matsudaira double back :(

(we don't have to kill each other, we are both saying our thoughts. We haven't seen playing the Mizutani - Dima double, so there is no evidence)

That is evidence, we rarely see those players in Doubles at all. Even last WTTC, did Dima play doubles? Mizutani was a good doubles player but again, is he going to be the one to push out good players like Yoshimura who probably deserves to play singles?

And like I said, Samsonov is almost a non-starter. Dima had to do better than that. Filus and Walther play well together, and I would take that pair over anything Dima is bringing.

TTFrenzy
05-06-2017, 05:24 PM
Actually my super extreme secret chinese sources gave me this sound log from LGL telephone

LGL : Yeah gimme ur boss please
Random German Secretary of DTTF : Who are you

LGL : Gimme jorg on the phone asap if you want to keep ur job and dont end up in the basement training with the rats

RGS : ok sir

Rosskopf : Alo?

LGL : Yeah dude what is this mizu dima crap ru kidding me? I though we had a deal. No medals for japan

Rosskopf : Yeah sup liu, I thought it would be a good spectacle and promote the sport more in the west , ur gonna sweep everything after all

LGL : Dont gimme that spectacle promotion BS, ALL YOUR MEDALS ARE BELONG TO US !

Rosskopf : The United States?

LGL : Jesus shitbrains how the hell did you end up head coach with such poor perception

Rosskopf : Well, actually my father knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy inside the german federation. Its all about politics u know

LGL : Look, if u still want ur job make it look like its your federation's decision, hell Ill even order ML to win 4-3 against boll, just for the german fans to start hoping again. but no medals for japanese dogs !!

Rosskopf : Ok consider it done, now please tell me some boosting secrets

LGL : Hahahaha, nice one, u do have some brains after all in ur potato head dont you

TTFrenzy
05-06-2017, 05:28 PM
Ι cant know for sure how niwa yoshimura will do but yuya morizono have played since their early age together, niwa started with matsudaira but changed on the way. Lets not forget they had 2 match points against the future world champs in 2015

ttmonster
05-06-2017, 06:01 PM
Hilarious !!! You should start a table tennis comic strip ... really enjoyed it !

Actually my super extreme secret chinese sources gave me this sound log from LGL telephone

LGL : Yeah gimme ur boss please
Random German Secretary of DTTF : Who are you

LGL : Gimme jorg on the phone asap if you want to keep ur job and dont end up in the basement training with the rats

RGS : ok sir

Rosskopf : Alo?

LGL : Yeah dude what is this mizu dima crap ru kidding me? I though we had a deal. No medals for japan

Rosskopf : Yeah sup liu, I thought it would be a good spectacle and promote the sport more in the west , ur gonna sweep everything after all

LGL : Dont gimme that spectacle promotion BS, ALL YOUR MEDALS ARE BELONG TO US !

Rosskopf : The United States?

LGL : Jesus shitbrains how the hell did you end up head coach with such poor perception

Rosskopf : Well, actually my father knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy inside the german federation. Its all about politics u know

LGL : Look, if u still want ur job make it look like its your federation's decision, hell Ill even order ML to win 4-3 against boll, just for the german fans to start hoping again. but no medals for japanese dogs !!

Rosskopf : Ok consider it done, now please tell me some boosting secrets

LGL : Hahahaha, nice one, u do have some brains after all in ur potato head dont you

ajtatosmano2
05-06-2017, 06:19 PM
Ι cant know for sure how niwa yoshimura will do but yuya morizono have played since their early age together, niwa started with matsudaira but changed on the way. Lets not forget they had 2 match points against the future world champs in 2015

And don't forget that they gave a hard time to the chinese cosistently. If I remember correctly, they beat Wang Hao - someone in the semifinal of some tournament.

ajtatosmano2
05-06-2017, 06:37 PM
That is evidence, we rarely see those players in Doubles at all. Even last WTTC, did Dima play doubles? Mizutani was a good doubles player but again, is he going to be the one to push out good players like Yoshimura who probably deserves to play singles?

And like I said, Samsonov is almost a non-starter. Dima had to do better than that. Filus and Walther play well together, and I would take that pair over anything Dima is bringing.

That's evidence for that they didn't care about doubles and the coaches decided on other more talented (for doubles) players to practice doubles.

However the Walther - Filus priority makes sense.

I hope new doubles in JNT after the WTTC. Ueda Jin did pretty well both with Yoshimura and Matsudaira in the past, but still not enough convincing. Jin Takuya with Kenji Matsudaira would be an extreme offensive and extreme loud double. Chan Kazuhiro was very good with Kenji, but dunno what's up with him. IMO Harimoto need some years to start in adults doubles. And there is a lot of young players who might be a good doubles partner. Yoshimura Kazuhiro also a promising player.

ttmonster
05-06-2017, 06:47 PM
You have put in a lot of valid arguments , completely agree with the Harimoto comment, doubles needs a lot of maturity and understanding partners strength's and weaknesses along with having the maturity to not get frustrated when your partner is letting you down and keep trying your best for the team ... don't think Harimoto has yet reached that level of Tablet tennis moksha :) But I still feel that Koki Niwa in his new and muscled up version with Yoshimura will be a bettter choice than Dima and Mizu ... both Dima and Mizu play the high risk - high reward game based on very unique service games which is very difficult to execute in Doubles ... so I have my doubts on this partnership

That's evidence for that they didn't care about doubles and the coaches decided on other more talented (for doubles) players to practice doubles.

However the Walther - Filus priority makes sense.

I hope new doubles in JNT after the WTTC. Ueda Jin did pretty well both with Yoshimura and Matsudaira in the past, but still not enough convincing. Jin Takuya with Kenji Matsudaira would be an extreme offensive and extreme loud double. Chan Kazuhiro was very good with Kenji, but dunno what's up with him. IMO Harimoto need some years to start in adults doubles. And there is a lot of young players who might be a good doubles partner. Yoshimura Kazuhiro also a promising player.

TTHopeful
05-06-2017, 07:01 PM
The German fans would love to see Dima paired up with Mizutani... come on...

ttmonster
05-06-2017, 07:08 PM
I am not a Dima fan , I am Mizu fan and even I am doubtful about his doubles capabilities , but I would have loved to see somebody powerful game and fast footwork like Kristian Karlsson to pair up with him .. bad idea .. two lefties :O ... may be Simon Gauzy or Stefan Feggerel ...

The German fans would love to see Dima paired up with Mizutani... come on...

Suga D
05-08-2017, 03:03 PM
The German fans would love to see Dima paired up with Mizutani... come on...


Sorry to spoil your mood, but where you´ve got that from? German forums are telling a different story. Most people seem to understand the decision by the DTTB.
Next Level is pretty much on point.

Germany has got three spots for doubles.

1. Timo Boll and Ma Long was already confirmed.
2. Patrick Franziska and Jonathan Groth are one of the best doubles in Europe
So then there is only one more spot. And Ruwen Filus and Ricardo Walther have proven themselves already.
In the past Dima mainly had his focus just on Singles events, if that wasn´t the case, he probably would play now, but others have proven to be quite succesful too. So it would be quite unfair if Dima would play now and Filus and Walther not.

I´m not sure if it would have been of any significant difference if he would have chosen a Chinese Doubles Partner instead of Mizutani. And if him and Mizu would have played together already before at international Events, then he probably would also have better chances, but now all he does is look a bit jealous and selfish.

@DIMA: just keep your focus on Singles, like you´ve done in the past and focus to try to snatch that title!
[EMOJI6]

Besides: Fans who´ve seen Dima already play Doubles in the past weren´t actually happy about his performances.

here´s a read:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/dimitrij-ovtcharov-ausgebootet-bei-der-heim-wm-1.3490701

http://www.mytischtennis.de/public/buntes/10196/kein-doppelstart-bei-wm----39-dima--39--sehr-enttaeuscht

Gangarth
05-08-2017, 05:29 PM
Everybody wants to see Ma/Boll!

Groth/Franziska are the european champions.
Walther/Filus are the german champions.
It's so easy to understand.

Most german fans don't want to see Dima playing doubles.

ttpshot
05-09-2017, 05:39 AM
Hang on, Mizutani won a bronze medal in WTTC doubles before not to mention a stack full of gold medals he won in Nationals. Strong in serves/recieves, great in rallies, and a leftie makes him one of the best doubles player in Japan.

laistrogian
05-09-2017, 07:29 AM
Hang on, Mizutani won a bronze medal in WTTC doubles before not to mention a stack full of gold medals he won in Nationals. Strong in serves/recieves, great in rallies, and a leftie makes him one of the best doubles player in Japan.

I'm somewhat curious why japan doesn't put mizutani with either Kishikawa Seiya (where this pairing was proven to be a good one) or Yoshimura

Tony's Table Tennis
05-09-2017, 07:41 AM
Hang on, Mizutani won a bronze medal in WTTC doubles before not to mention a stack full of gold medals he won in Nationals. Strong in serves/recieves, great in rallies, and a leftie makes him one of the best doubles player in Japan.

This isn't about Mizuntani or Japan
This is about German's 3 pairs

SugaD sums it all up

If Dima wanted to feature in doubles, he should of done so in all the world tours and not just wait for WTTC
Its simple, 3 spots, if Dima comes in, who do Germany leave out?

TTHopeful
05-09-2017, 08:05 AM
Great post Suga you are spot on

Suga D
05-09-2017, 05:14 PM
This isn't about Mizuntani or Japan
This is about German's 3 pairs

SugaD sums it all up

If Dima wanted to feature in doubles, he should of done so in all the world tours and not just wait for WTTC
Its simple, 3 spots, if Dima comes in, who do Germany leave out?

Exactly. Couldn't have explained it any better.
[Emoji106]


Great post Suga you are spot on

Thanks mate. But after having thought about your post, i have to admit, you have a point too,
'cause either the ITTF is bad at Maths or they been fooling us TT-fans 1nce again.

When we look at 2nation Doubles, how come do both countries loose a spot??
Aren't they just supposed to loose a half spot? Almost as if they get punished for having two-nation doubles!!

If i'm correct then it takes 6 players to form three Doubles pairs. Am i correct so far?
So shouldn't then six players should be able to play Doubles, regardless of playing with someone from the own country or from another country???
Or are my thoughts completely wrong?

If one counts properly then both Nations should be able to form another two-nation doubles, so us spectators don't get cheated and ripped off for having one less Doubles team to watch! IMHO

Just my 2 ¢

I hope this has been understandable. Wasn't easy to break this down.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

ttmonster
05-09-2017, 05:40 PM
Great post Suga D. and I have already categorized him as such. That is the reason he and his entourage works extra hard to rebuild his image as a great guy , I am sure he is just a normal guy who happens to be a little jealous and selfish ... then who isn't .. :) but he is too naive to let it come out as such ...

He should have played doubles in world tours earlier and with Mizu playing in the same club in Russia , it would have been so convenient for him to practice ... its just a case of too little too late for him to stake this claim now ...





but now all he does is look a bit jealous and selfish.


Besides: Fans who´ve seen Dima already play Doubles in the past weren´t actually happy about his performances.

Garrison
05-09-2017, 08:41 PM
First I thought that Dimitrij should be granted the spot no matter what due to his achievements and high ranking, but since Franziska+Groth are european champions they have pretty much earned it and I can understand that they want to have at least one full german double (who are also national champions).

If Dima was so interested in playing doubles he could have shown it earlier.

I am also curious what the ittf does with the spots that get lost by mixed nationals doubles :confused:

NextLevel
05-09-2017, 09:26 PM
They want to give you an incentive to have national team pairings. It lets you have more players participating.

UpSideDownCarl
05-09-2017, 10:58 PM
Exactly. Couldn't have explained it any better.
[Emoji106]



Thanks mate. But after having thought about your post, i have to admit, you have a point too,
'cause either the ITTF is bad at Maths or they been fooling us TT-fans 1nce again.

When we look at 2nation Doubles, how come do both countries loose a spot??
Aren't they just supposed to loose a half spot? Almost as if they get punished for having two-nation doubles!!

If i'm correct then it takes 6 players to form three Doubles pairs. Am i correct so far?
So shouldn't then six players should be able to play Doubles, regardless of playing with someone from the own country or from another country???
Or are my thoughts completely wrong?

If one counts properly then both Nations should be able to form another two-nation doubles, so us spectators don't get cheated and ripped off for having one less Doubles team to watch! IMHO

Just my 2 ¢

I hope this has been understandable. Wasn't easy to break this down.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I like this point. It is a pretty interesting one. I wish the ITTF thought of it that way. And it would mean that each country can field the same number of players and it would give the countries an incentive to allow two mixed nation doubles pairs of they could still have two same nation pairs.

However, I believe the bottom line is that NextLevel is correct when he says this:


They want to give you an incentive to have national team pairings. It lets you have more players participating.




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Suga D
05-10-2017, 10:31 AM
I like this point. It is a pretty interesting one. I wish the ITTF thought of it that way. And it would mean that each country can field the same number of players and it would give the countries an incentive to allow two mixed nation doubles pairs of they could still have two same nation pairs.

However, I believe the bottom line is that NextLevel is correct when he says this:


They want to give you an incentive to have national team pairings. It lets you have more players participating.



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Exactly. The both of you are probably right.
Smells a bit like a hidden punishment.

NextLevel
05-10-2017, 11:26 AM
Exactly. The both of you are probably right.
Smells a bit like a hidden punishment.

I don't think it is so hidden though. They probably thought through it and wanted to give people an incentive to field national teams and so that top countries would not use it to increase their medal count with collusion/bribery without cost (imagine if China paired with Japan or Germany or Korea for every doubles team, that would be collusion with no chance for other countries to get medals).

So if we did not count each entry the way they do it now and go to your proposed system, Germany could have an athlete on 6 doubles teams in men's doubles for example. That will be increasing its medal chances without penalty, when it should only have 3 chances to win medals.

Michal_Z
05-10-2017, 03:26 PM
This isn't about Mizuntani or Japan
This is about German's 3 pairs

SugaD sums it all up

If Dima wanted to feature in doubles, he should of done so in all the world tours and not just wait for WTTC
Its simple, 3 spots, if Dima comes in, who do Germany leave out?


Still I think they should consider it better..
I mean - yes, there are some arguments against and some arguments for..
Why wouldnt they give them a chance?
I understand, that it would be pretty unanalyzed pair for the chinese and therefor they would probably have a big chance to win a medal.. if they would be good enough. And this hiding from analyzis of the chinese is a good reason not to play in pro tour doubles. BUT! .. without competition you never know how good you really are!
So what would be my suggestion (now too late anyways, but..) - let them play in some doubles trials!
Why the german team didnt make some doubles trials, where Timo-Ma Long would not be, because they surely want to promote table tennis around the world and this is pretty cool pair.. But - lets others fight for the remaining 2 places of the doubles! Lets make some doubles trials - let them fight and see who is got it and who not??

Suga D
05-10-2017, 06:14 PM
I don't think it is so hidden though. They probably thought through it and wanted to give people an incentive to field national teams and so that top countries would not use it to increase their medal count with collusion/bribery without cost (imagine if China paired with Japan or Germany or Korea for every doubles team, that would be collusion with no chance for other countries to get medals).

So if we did not count each entry the way they do it now and go to your proposed system, Germany could have an athlete on 6 doubles teams in men's doubles for example. That will be increasing its medal chances without penalty, when it should only have 3 chances to win medals.

Hmmmhh.

Interesting thought. Haven't seen it that way. Thanks.

UpSideDownCarl
05-10-2017, 08:02 PM
To me, the whole national thing is a little weird and always feels off anyway. I wish it was organized more like tennis tournaments are where they don't really even mention where the player comes from as a thing. Or, at least not the way they do in table tennis.

In tennis does it matter what country your doubles partner comes from? Would they even call that a mixed nation doubles team if it happened? I actually, honestly don't know. But it is interesting to me.


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ttmonster
05-10-2017, 08:08 PM
Totally makes sense Carl ... I think Table tennis is in dire need of major "Open tournaments" that will cut across these national boundaries , and when I mean major , I mean "Major" the likes of wimbledon, US Open , etc. in tennis ... this will make the sports popular and spread it out .... instead of having multiple tournaments with countries playing each other like Davis Cup.... and pro tours are failing woefully short on this ... I guess thats why we see the new initiative where Vladi, Timo etc. are playing .. I think this country based loyalty thing ties back to the politics of ITTF where divide and conquer is easier to get votes ... but yes somebody has to figure out how to generate revenue ... and changing equipment to suck amateur blood money isn't going to cut it for long ...



To me, the whole national thing is a little weird and always feels off anyway. I wish it was organized more like tennis tournaments are where they don't really even mention where the player comes from as a thing. Or, at least not the way they do in table tennis.

In tennis does it matter what country your doubles partner comes from? Would they even call that a mixed nation doubles team if it happened? I actually, honestly don't know. But it is interesting to me.


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Tony's Table Tennis
05-10-2017, 08:23 PM
Still I think they should consider it better..
I mean - yes, there are some arguments against and some arguments for..
Why wouldnt they give them a chance?
I understand, that it would be pretty unanalyzed pair for the chinese and therefor they would probably have a big chance to win a medal.. if they would be good enough. And this hiding from analyzis of the chinese is a good reason not to play in pro tour doubles. BUT! .. without competition you never know how good you really are!
So what would be my suggestion (now too late anyways, but..) - let them play in some doubles trials!
Why the german team didnt make some doubles trials, where Timo-Ma Long would not be, because they surely want to promote table tennis around the world and this is pretty cool pair.. But - lets others fight for the remaining 2 places of the doubles! Lets make some doubles trials - let them fight and see who is got it and who not??

Obviously the german national team felt the 3 pairs selected/entered is the best 3 pairs for medals
individual performance has no say in doubles to be fair to any player

NextLevel
05-10-2017, 08:43 PM
To me, the whole national thing is a little weird and always feels off anyway. I wish it was organized more like tennis tournaments are where they don't really even mention where the player comes from as a thing. Or, at least not the way they do in table tennis.

In tennis does it matter what country your doubles partner comes from? Would they even call that a mixed nation doubles team if it happened? I actually, honestly don't know. But it is interesting to me.


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Table tennis funding is largely governmental. Tennis funding is largely corporate. Makes a big difference in the influence of national associations on the sport.

Matt Hetherington
05-10-2017, 08:46 PM
I'm sure the most reasonable explanation is that they want Dima to focus on the singles where he has a legitimate chance of progressing to potentially win a medal, it's not so surprising really.

When I spoke to Timo in China a couple of years ago he said now was the time for Ovtcharov to start focusing on the major events like WTTC and World Cup before he gets too old, this is his window of opportunity.

Michal_Z
05-31-2017, 08:51 AM
Walter and Filus lost yesterday to a Czech pair Širúček and Jančařík, so I guess Dima with Mizu would be a better choice..

PolishTT17
05-31-2017, 09:55 AM
For me ist this decision from Jörg Rosskopf absolutely ok! Dima never gave a s***t for the doubles competitions even when he could double with Timo Boll, what would be a good double, too! And now he plays like he is the hurt man who isn't considered in Doubles event. Respect for Jörg for this great decision!

Tony's Table Tennis
05-31-2017, 11:19 AM
Walter and Filus lost yesterday to a Czech pair Širúček and Jančařík, so I guess Dima with Mizu would be a better choice..

What logic is this lol
so if boll losses in the first match in singles, then it would of been better that he didn't take part in the tournament too (better choice)
If one can see the future, he/she rather play the lottery.

Anyways Dima was never committed to doubles.
Good to see Germany federation has strict measures and no special celebrity treatments

NextLevel
05-31-2017, 12:55 PM
What logic is this lol
so if boll losses in the first match in singles, then it would of been better that he didn't take part in the tournament too (better choice)
If one can see the future, he/she rather play the lottery.

Anyways Dima was never committed to doubles.
Good to see Germany federation has strict measures and no special celebrity treatments

Timo and Ma Long are in the same quarter as Xu Xin and Fan Zhendong. So it might not make a difference. It shows what happens when you don't play doubles enough to get a seeding and keep hoping to catch a break.

samsara
06-03-2017, 03:51 AM
Timo and Ma Long are in the same quarter as Xu Xin and Fan Zhendong. So it might not make a difference. It shows what happens when you don't play doubles enough to get a seeding and keep hoping to catch a break.
Yeah quite unfortunate for that pair to face XX/FZD so early, otherwise I believe the pair would have advanced further. If not mistaken, Timo Boll/Ma Long also faced some CHN pair in the early stage in the past WTTC in Suzhou. They simply had less favorable draw, not a bad combination!

phillypong
06-04-2017, 08:49 PM
The german association decision makers are clearly full of sh*t ! ;)

Henry Tang
06-05-2017, 02:55 AM
well, imo the japanese association won't allow a mixed pair like MJ and dima.