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shinhyun
05-14-2019, 05:12 PM
Hey guys, I have a tsp ventus speed max and I would like something little bit lighter, with the ease of opening backspin. I am thinking about the stiga mantra s 2.1, is it good and durable ?

chintanmashroo
05-14-2019, 05:16 PM
I'd recommend Vega Euro and Joola Energy X-tra (light and durable) if you prefer soft rubbers
and if budget is not a problem go with Rasanter R37 (also light and durable)

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shinhyun
05-14-2019, 07:45 PM
it is too soft, I already have tested the yasaka rakza 7 soft and tsp ventus spin, Im searching something around 42-43degree

yogi_bear
05-14-2019, 09:53 PM
Mantra is very durable and also lighter compared to euro rubbers.

BiGuang
05-15-2019, 12:25 AM
How about the tenergy series? 05, 05H, and even Dignics? Any experience with these rubber that are best for a Bh?

729B2
05-15-2019, 02:42 AM
Vega Japan or Vega Pro are also good ? or Tenergy 05 or Dignics 05 prehaps?

shinhyun
05-15-2019, 06:25 AM
Vega pro is too hard for me, T05 and Dignics is too expensive xD and too fast for my backhand

729B2
05-15-2019, 07:23 AM
Vega Euro or Japan or ak 47 yellow or Tin arc 5 33 degree

DragonOwen
05-15-2019, 11:11 AM
I use GEWO Nexxus EL PRO 48 on my BH and IMO it's just great, spin, speed (but not too much, EL is spin orientated, for speed is XT version, which I use on FH), control it have it's all, it's mostly suited for close to the table play, but with fast blade it also can play quite nice far from the table (need to put some power in your shot to make it play good far from the table)... I personally don't like soft rubbers, so 48 is my choice, still, for those who like soft rubbers, there is GEWO Nexxus EL PRO 43 and even 38, IMO the main "thing" in Nexxus EL is very elastic topsheet, that gives a lot of dwell, spin and control, so 43 and 38 versions probably is also great BH rubbers for those who like soft sponge...

carlosz
05-15-2019, 02:02 PM
Try Dignics

DragonOwen
05-15-2019, 02:21 PM
Try Dignics

Im searching something around 42-43degree
Dignics 05 is much harder than 42-43 degree, no?

DragonOwen
05-15-2019, 02:31 PM
BTW Joola Rhyzer 48 is also nice for BH, it feels much softer than 48 degree (44-46 probably), have veeeery high arc, on BH it's very easy to make topspin against backspin with it, it can be done even only using your wrist... But, for me it's too "tensor-bouncy" (but sometimes you can do powerfol counter loop far from the table only with your wrist and it still will have very decent power , spin and speed, that was very cool thing for me when I played with it, sometimes I won some ridicilous points with it ;) , but the con of this is control problems...) and too soft, also very high arc for me is not great thing in all situations, so I swithed to Nexxus EL...

729B2
05-15-2019, 02:52 PM
or you can boost the rubber to get it soft just saying is all

BryanY
05-16-2019, 02:30 PM
BTW Joola Rhyzer 48 is also nice for BH, it feels much softer than 48 degree (44-46 probably), have veeeery high arc, on BH it's very easy to make topspin against backspin with it, it can be done even only using your wrist... But, for me it's too "tensor-bouncy" (but sometimes you can do powerfol counter loop far from the table only with your wrist and it still will have very decent power , spin and speed, that was very cool thing for me when I played with it, sometimes I won some ridicilous points with it ;) , but the con of this is control problems...) and too soft, also very high arc for me is not great thing in all situations, so I swithed to Nexxus EL...


You think that Rhyzer 48 has a high arc and is too soft??? I have 43 on backhand (and 48 forehand). The 43 is has a much higher throw than 48. I would consider 48 arc to be medium or medium low. I’m planning to replace my backhand rubber with Rhyzer 45 Pro when it comes out because it will use the less bouncy “Pro” style topsheet that Rhyzer 50 Pro has.

Back to the original question: JOOLA Rhyzm-P was my favorite backhand rubber looping backspin balls. 45 degree sponge and the speed / control was very balanced and just perfect for me. It’s average weight for a tensor rubber though.


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FruitLoop
05-16-2019, 02:43 PM
Vega pro is too hard for me, T05 and Dignics is too expensive xD and too fast for my backhand

Vega Japan or Europe.

DragonOwen
05-16-2019, 02:49 PM
You think that Rhyzer 48 has a high arc and is too soft???
At least it's feels noticiably softer than GEWO Nexxus EL PRO 48 and muuuch softer than Nexxus XT PRO 48... Just IMHO though... I don't like soft rubbers, just my preference, I don't undestand them, tried XIOM Vega Europe DF and TENERGY 05FX on Apolonia and for me it was horrible experience...

BryanY
05-16-2019, 02:56 PM
At least it's feels noticiably softer than GEWO Nexxus EL PRO 48 and muuuch softer than Nexxus XT PRO 48... Just IMHO though... I don't like soft rubbers, just my preference, I don't undestand them, tried XIOM Vega Europe DF and TENERGY 05FX on Apolonia and for me it was horrible experience...

I think it’s because the top sheet is soft. 48 degree sponge is decently hard. I guess that’s why they offer the “Pro” (harder) topsheet on Rhyzer 50 Pro.

Nasius
05-16-2019, 03:29 PM
Donic Acuda S2 fits the bill at around 42 degrees and relatively light as far as tensioned rubbers go. Good luck in your search!

Basten4
05-16-2019, 03:52 PM
I use Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 48 as backhand rubber as well, and its amazing!

DragonOwen
05-16-2019, 04:54 PM
I use Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 48 as backhand rubber as well, and its amazing!
I recomend to try XT on FH, it's a monster, but quite tamed monster ;)

Basten4
05-17-2019, 05:43 AM
I recomend to try XT on FH, it's a monster, but quite tamed monster ;)

Do you know how heavy it is? I asked Gewo, they sent me weight for packaged rubber :)

DragonOwen
05-17-2019, 06:41 AM
Do you know how heavy it is? I asked Gewo, they sent me weight for packaged rubber :)
Not directly... but indirectly I weighted current racket build, and before I glued XT, also some weighting on changing rubbers before, so if I do some not too hard math, then XT cut and with glue weight about 46 gramms... My calculations is from this: the overall weight my current racket (Cedric Nuytinck blade, EL48 max on BH, XT48 max on FH) is 183.8 gramms, it was 187.6 gramms when I used to have Tibhar Hybrid K1 (euro. edt.) max on FH, and it was 184.2 when I had Hybrid K1 on FH and Joola Rhyzer 48 max on BH, and I also know the weight of cut Rhyzer 48 (with some glue leftovers), it's 46.5 gramms, and the weight of the blade without rubbers and glue is 85.0 gramms...

shinhyun
05-17-2019, 08:36 AM
From table tennis rubber weight reference site, the stiga mantra s is the lightest with 42 degree.
Xiom vega europe and donic acuda s2 seem good too... I heard that the vega europe is not durable at all, the topsheet worn out quickly and lose grip.
Acuda s2 is a pretty old rubber comparing to Stiga mantra but what about the quality of mantra ? Is stiga good in table tennis rubber ? Dan says that it is the best stiga rubber in term of quality and reaches other ESN rubber... so ...
My retiler doesnt sell Gewo rubbers... I guess they are pretty good but I cant get them.

yogi_bear
05-17-2019, 08:39 AM
Mantra is more durable than acuda s2

SamuelPardana
05-17-2019, 09:17 PM
I currently use Rasanter R42 on BH and i'll go to a harder rubber in the next setup change but overall R42 is really sweet if you like 42/43 hardness. great active blocking, you can really feel the ball sinking into the rubber when you open up, it never feels out of control.

shinhyun
05-17-2019, 10:09 PM
I am hesitating between 45 degree and 42/43 degree... but maybe I will stay with the ventus speed which is very good...

vik2000
05-17-2019, 10:10 PM
I've tried most of the rubbers suggested here and found R42 to be the best.

Basten4
05-17-2019, 10:11 PM
I recomend to try XT on FH, it's a monster, but quite tamed monster ;)

Speaking of Gewo XT for FH, have you seen/tried Gewo EL Pro 50 or 53, I am guessing its new rubber.

DragonOwen
05-17-2019, 11:29 PM
Speaking of Gewo XT for FH, have you seen/tried Gewo EL Pro 50 or 53, I am guessing its new rubber.
I know about them, but didn't try, but maybe try one of them or both in the future... for now my budget on table tennis inventory for next 1-2 months is already spend on second setup (the same as the main setup, I like to have two identical rackets, one for trainings and rubber experiments, second for tournaments)

Wister
05-18-2019, 07:26 AM
I have mantra S on the BH and i find it very good here as it's very grippy and pretty direct trajectory (still not too much)

I also played R42 before but finally i didn't like it, it gets not grippy after a while and even in general i found it harder to grab the ball

Special K
05-19-2019, 03:35 AM
Stiga manta is a very nice Japanese rubber. Nittaku fastarc is also very good, fast and spinney but not too bouncy.

Basten4
07-12-2019, 06:32 PM
I recomend to try XT on FH, it's a monster, but quite tamed monster ;)

Tried XT Pro 48 on your recommendation. Sorry to say this but it is sh&t! Not trying to offend you. Changed it after 2 sessions. Can send it to you with a huge discount :)

Researching EL Pro 50 now or putting EL Pro 48 again on FH. Meanwhile playing with Rasanter R47 on new Viscaria, and it is quite good. Have a sheet of R50 laying around somewhere, maybe will try that one just for the hell of it.

Player Tim
07-12-2019, 08:09 PM
Dignics 05 is much harder than 42-43 degree, no?

I use dignics and I love it tbh, but yes it is expensive. Dignics is softer 40*, but being a tension rubber it does feel harder than a 40*. Although it is a 40* rubber so softer.

reiser
07-13-2019, 04:19 AM
consider joola maxxx-p as a good option too.soft(42 degree euro scale),very spinny,opening against backspin is very easy(even for a bad player like me),not heavy and very durable.

DragonOwen
07-13-2019, 11:06 AM
Tried XT Pro 48 on your recommendation. Sorry to say this but it is sh&t! Not trying to offend you. Changed it after 2 sessions. Can send it to you with a huge discount :)

Researching EL Pro 50 now or putting EL Pro 48 again on FH. Meanwhile playing with Rasanter R47 on new Viscaria, and it is quite good. Have a sheet of R50 laying around somewhere, maybe will try that one just for the hell of it.
For me rasanter r47 is ****, I like rasanter r50 though... So it's a matter of taste maybe... If you don't like xt48 then I wouldn't recommend you trying el50, it's pretty much the same, el50 is a little harder and powerful, but xt48 is more forgiving... Sorry, but don't interested in you sending me used xt48, I have two of them and one el50, and I only have two blades, so don't need another for now...

Basten4
07-14-2019, 02:36 AM
For me rasanter r47 is ****, I like rasanter r50 though... So it's a matter of taste maybe... If you don't like xt48 then I wouldn't recommend you trying el50, it's pretty much the same, el50 is a little harder and powerful, but xt48 is more forgiving... Sorry, but don't interested in you sending me used xt48, I have two of them and one el50, and I only have two blades, so don't need another for now...

xt48 is very linear, style wise I am a power looper I guess, so it doesn't fit me at all. How is Rasanter R50? I've read different reviews, heard that it is very fast and possibly as spinny as T05, but hard, thus technique and legs have to be nearly perfect.

DragonOwen
07-14-2019, 07:29 AM
xt48 is very linear, style wise I am a power looper I guess, so it doesn't fit me at all. How is Rasanter R50? I've read different reviews, heard that it is very fast and possibly as spinny as T05, but hard, thus technique and legs have to be nearly perfect.
In my hands (I'm not so good player, I'm now playing kinda like this (and this was a great match for me): link (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?16311-Hello-I-m-from-Saint-Petersburg-Russia&p=255450&viewfull=1#post255450)) R50 is even more linear than xt48, IMO Rasanter series is mostly have spin from the sponge, the topsheet is not very grippy, so with R50 you only have "power play", you have to always use the sponge, but with such a hard sponge you either use full force, or, as you wrote, have to somehow use great technique whithout any mistakes (which I don't have)... BTW Omega 7 Asia is kinda like R50 but with more spinny topsheet, but it have even harder sponge than R50, so for not so linear power play you have to have good phisique and technique (which I don't have, so had to give up on this rubber)... I don't like some "pillow" feeling of R47 sponge on power play compared to more "springy" feeling of Tenergy 05, so only one training with R47 and give it away, R50 doesn't have this "pillow" feeling on power play...

Basten4
07-14-2019, 06:28 PM
In my hands (I'm not so good player, I'm now playing kinda like this (and this was a great match for me): link (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?16311-Hello-I-m-from-Saint-Petersburg-Russia&p=255450&viewfull=1#post255450)) R50 is even more linear than xt48, IMO Rasanter series is mostly have spin from the sponge, the topsheet is not very grippy, so with R50 you only have "power play", you have to always use the sponge, but with such a hard sponge you either use full force, or, as you wrote, have to somehow use great technique whithout any mistakes (which I don't have)... BTW Omega 7 Asia is kinda like R50 but with more spinny topsheet, but it have even harder sponge than R50, so for not so linear power play you have to have good phisique and technique (which I don't have, so had to give up on this rubber)... I don't like some "pillow" feeling of R47 sponge on power play compared to more "springy" feeling of Tenergy 05, so only one training with R47 and give it away, R50 doesn't have this "pillow" feeling on power play...

Watched your videos. Yes, we have very different FH techniques :) However, I understand why with your technique you like XT48. My style is completely different.
Also, if I may, I think you could improve quite a lot if you focused just on your footwork for the next 6-12 months.

I would also argue that R47 gives you pillow feeling. It is just not as springy, but it is pretty hard, harder than EL Pro 48 imo. When I power loop or loop in general, I recently played with a guy who is around 2250, and he struggled with my loops from R47 on Viscaria. I brush a little too much when I loop, so sponge is probably not engaged as much as you say, but I generate a lot of spin with my FH. So top sheet or sponge, R47 gives you quite a lot of spin. I think it is better in generating spin on shorter strokes than EL Pro 48.