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Regardless of seeding, will see if what I noted last month about Calderano turn out right.
 
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Okay. So by the rules on the ground, not the rules that you are making up, Hugo would be #4 without the 500 points. But let us follow your rules: did you remove LYJ"s continental points too?

In the end, it is okay to believe LYJ should be higher, but there is nothing in the ITTF ranking that says that. Hugo has proven himself a reliable player at the Olympics.
ok, fact is also that, hugo is probably the only player in the past 20 years, to have such high seeds by dodging Chinese players.
who is 2nd place???

Do you really feel Hugo is really tested against the best in the worlds? or do you also agree that he had a few easy tournaments wins, of which, those wins + the 500 points that cemented his seed?
this will determine if you do agree that Hugo can face really tough opponents and win (of which he didn't face this year) or that he may not win before the medal match (SF). Also bronze medal is 3rd vs 4th.... Bronze isn't that easy.

also, SC + Contender bully, I guess Hugo is officially the first one, but he still have continental, smash, champion. But the SC/C he too
Next year, mathematicians is required in team management and hopefully you will have few more 2500~3000 points players by just only just SC and Contenders.

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the topic of Continental - is not just subtracting points.
his 500 points gives him seed positions too. i'm sure you understand how important seeding is, for even SC or C.
Only Asians TT players will truly understand continental value.... the boost is way too much of a gift.

continental points should of been weighed by continental strength.
but that is impossible for WTT to enforce at the moment.
Maybe a pan America 1st place should only be worth 5th place or 8th place in Asia.
Oceania.... 20th place?
 
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ok, fact is also that, hugo is probably the only player in the past 20 years, to have such high seeds by dodging Chinese players.
who is 2nd place???

Do you really feel Hugo is really tested against the best in the worlds? or do you also agree that he had a few easy tournaments wins, of which, those wins + the 500 points that cemented his seed?
this will determine if you do agree that Hugo can face really tough opponents and win (of which he didn't face this year) or that he may not win before the medal match (SF). Also bronze medal is 3rd vs 4th.... Bronze isn't that easy.

also, SC + Contender bully, I guess Hugo is officially the first one, but he still have continental, smash, champion. But the SC/C he too
Next year, mathematicians is required in team management and hopefully you will have few more 2500~3000 points players by just only just SC and Contenders.

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the topic of Continental - is not just subtracting points.
his 500 points gives him seed positions too. i'm sure you understand how important seeding is, for even SC or C.
Only Asians TT players will truly understand continental value.... the boost is way too much of a gift.

continental points should of been weighed by continental strength.
but that is impossible for WTT to enforce at the moment.
Maybe a pan America 1st place should only be worth 5th place or 8th place in Asia.
Oceania.... 20th place?
At a certain point, refusing to admit that your math is wrong and making up new arguments to support a different position is your prerogative. Hugo played the players in front of him like everyone else and has a win over Fan. Harimoto failed to beat any CNT players this year until just last week. Not sure if LYJ has beaten any Chinese players this year. I have to fly now so my last post on the subject. Hugo"s playing level is currently on par with his rating and is even more striking because he beats Felix easily. But of course, Olympics gets strong preparation so anything can happen.
 
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At a certain point, refusing to admit that your math is wrong and making up new arguments to support a different position is your prerogative. Hugo played the players in front of him like everyone else and has a win over Fan. Harimoto failed to beat any CNT players this year until just last week. Not sure if LYJ has beaten any Chinese players this year. I have to fly now so my last post on the subject. Hugo"s playing level is currently on par with his rating and is even more striking because he beats Felix easily. But of course, Olympics gets strong preparation so anything can happen.
felix also beat hugo easily
so has all the others non 1st tier players I named.

Hugo is inflated, you can't deny that (get him to remove that 500 points and go into champions/smash/sc/C and see how his draw looks like)

his wins also include lower ranked and due to seeds, only face stronger opponent (if they bothered to enter) in the finals (QF onwards). That is life for Asians vs non Asians.

In terms of CNT, he dodge all Chinese, not just top Chinese, since none of the Chinese bothered to pitch in the SC/C that he played in. So he made used of this with flying colors. Put him in tournaments with a bunch of Chinese.... well, i'm sure the ones where he finish very poorly has all that :p

so, its both sides, hugo on paper is good, but is he really is?
On stats other than 1 or 2 good wins in 2024, versus the many bad losses (against players way lower than him)
well, tell me where that maths is wrong. For Hugo to get bronze, he needs alteast 2 good wins against players that he might not able to win, in QF and 3 to 4th place.
again, its based on draw, maybe it is 3 good wins for him to get a bronze (ie, face a strong opponent in R16, then QF, then loose in SF and then need a win in 3/4).

you make it sound like, he will have a holiday in paris until SF... and i'm saying, so many other players are a threat to him. Even uncle Aruna, African champ can beat American champ....


let me make this easily for you, based on seeding, he will face

3~4, Felix
QF, LJY, HT, QD, JWJ (all of which Hugo will need to be above average to win).
R16, Dima, Togami, Alexis, Freitas, Jorgic, Aruna, Cho, Assar (half of them will give Hugo a hard time, includin beating Hugo).
Lets wait for the draw, is what I am saying. Hugo isn't that good to just jump staright to 3~4 with Felix
 
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So sports illustrated (www.si.com) had an article today to predict the winners of all 329 medal events. I was kind of laughing to myself and say, "yeah right." So I clicked on the part about table tennis, the prediction is actually not bad! They must have surveyed some ping pong players to come up with the prediction. I would say, I agree. If Fan Zhendong is healthy (which I assume he is after not having to attend multiple multiple WTT events right before Paris olympics), he should beat Wang Chuqin. Interestingly they have Tomokaza Harimoto winning the bronze. Men's team, they have South Korean as silver which also makes sense since that team is deep. If Lin Yun-Ju has been playing better Taiwan (Chinese Taipei in Olympic term) should get a medal but right now I don't see it. Finally they predict Chen Meng winning woman's single gold over Sun Yingsha. I think Chen Meng has been playing very well in the events leading up to the Olympic. I want her to win another Olympic gold because she will most likely retire soon (following Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen). However, with the recent closed, intensive training camp, I am pretty sure Sun Yingsha will be in top form. Like Fan Zhendon, Chen Meng, being older, I am wondering if she was having some nagging injuries last year or so. Maybe her injuries have been under control and that's why she played so well in those events leading to the Olympics.

One time, I was talking to a pro player in another sport and that player was very frank: anyone competing at the highest level of any sport is constantly injured. It is not a question of if someone (name any top pro in any sport including table tennis) is injured. Instead the question for all pro players is where are you injured and how bad is your injury.

FDZ is 27 and WCQ is 24. But those extra three years put A LOT of mileage on FDZ's body: legs, lower back, shoulder, etc. etc. Any body part, you just name it.

Chen Meng is 30 and SYS is only 23. The amount of wear and tear on Chen Meng's body is huge. So I would like to see FDZ and Chen Meng win the gold but I thin a lot of it has to do with how their bodies are holding up. I don't think we need to question the desire to win or big-tournament match experience of FDZ and Chen Meng: they have been through it all. But I am more concerned if they have been able to get rid of any nagging injuries and who will peak at the right time.

TABLE TENNIS
MEN’S SINGLES
Gold: Fan Zhendong (China)
Silver: Wang Chuqin (China)
Bronze: Tomokazu Harimoto (Japan)

Originally from Japan, Harimoto was born Zhang Zhihi to Chinese parents.

MEN’S TEAM
Gold: China
Silver: South Korea
Bronze: Japan

Though not playing singles, China’s Ma Long aims for his sixth career gold.

WOMEN’S SINGLES
Gold: Chen Meng (China)
Silver: Sun Yingsha (China)
Bronze: Hina Hayata (Japan)

China has won all nine Olympic gold medals in this event.
 
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So sports illustrated (www.si.com) had an article today to predict the winners of all 329 medal events. I was kind of laughing to myself and say, "yeah right." So I clicked on the part about table tennis, the prediction is actually not bad! They must have surveyed some ping pong players to come up with the prediction. I would say, I agree. If Fan Zhendong is healthy (which I assume he is after not having to attend multiple multiple WTT events right before Paris olympics), he should beat Wang Chuqin. Interestingly they have Tomokaza Harimoto winning the bronze. Men's team, they have South Korean as silver which also makes sense since that team is deep. If Lin Yun-Ju has been playing better Taiwan (Chinese Taipei in Olympic term) should get a medal but right now I don't see it. Finally they predict Chen Meng winning woman's single gold over Sun Yingsha. I think Chen Meng has been playing very well in the events leading up to the Olympic. I want her to win another Olympic gold because she will most likely retire soon (following Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen). However, with the recent closed, intensive training camp, I am pretty sure Sun Yingsha will be in top form. Like Fan Zhendon, Chen Meng, being older, I am wondering if she was having some nagging injuries last year or so. Maybe her injuries have been under control and that's why she played so well in those events leading to the Olympics.

One time, I was talking to a pro player in another sport and that player was very frank: anyone competing at the highest level of any sport is constantly injured. It is not a question of if someone (name any top pro in any sport including table tennis) is injured. Instead the question for all pro players is where are you injured and how bad is your injury.

FDZ is 27 and WCQ is 24. But those extra three years put A LOT of mileage on FDZ's body: legs, lower back, shoulder, etc. etc. Any body part, you just name it.

Chen Meng is 30 and SYS is only 23. The amount of wear and tear on Chen Meng's body is huge. So I would like to see FDZ and Chen Meng win the gold but I thin a lot of it has to do with how their bodies are holding up. I don't think we need to question the desire to win or big-tournament match experience of FDZ and Chen Meng: they have been through it all. But I am more concerned if they have been able to get rid of any nagging injuries and who will peak at the right time.

TABLE TENNIS
MEN’S SINGLES
Gold: Fan Zhendong (China)
Silver: Wang Chuqin (China)
Bronze: Tomokazu Harimoto (Japan)

Originally from Japan, Harimoto was born Zhang Zhihi to Chinese parents.

MEN’S TEAM
Gold: China
Silver: South Korea
Bronze: Japan

Though not playing singles, China’s Ma Long aims for his sixth career gold.

WOMEN’S SINGLES
Gold: Chen Meng (China)
Silver: Sun Yingsha (China)
Bronze: Hina Hayata (Japan)

China has won all nine Olympic gold medals in this event.
TT is easy to predict at the top (China, China), but the nuances of what they are missing are still important. Giving the bronze in XD and WT to Hong Kong is interesting. And the silver in MT to South Korea? Even with LYJ not being in supreme form, I would rate Taiwan pretty high in MT. And of course Harimoto is a good pick on recent form, but there are many good players going for MS bronze. Some of whom Harimoto struggles mightily to beat. I wonder how he would fare in Lebrun's quarter or a Chiese quarter...

Can't wait for the games to begin.
 
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FDZ is 27 and WCQ is 24. But those extra three years put A LOT of mileage on FDZ's body: legs, lower back, shoulder, etc. etc. Any body part, you just name it.

Chen Meng is 30 and SYS is only 23. The amount of wear and tear on Chen Meng's body is huge. So I would like to see FDZ and Chen Meng win the gold but I thin a lot of it has to do with how their bodies are holding up. I don't think we need to question the desire to win or big-tournament match experience of FDZ and Chen Meng: they have been through it all. But I am more concerned if they have been able to get rid of any nagging injuries and who will peak at the right time.
WCQ and CM are older than that.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/everything-about-wcq.33067/post-446075
Ahem...
LGY 1995-2/3/19
LJK 1996-1/10/20
FZD 1997/1/22
WCQ 2000-2/5/11

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=692800991360185
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A hidden gem from this old VHS tape posted by Shelley Smith. 20 years ago, a young Chen Meng in New Zealand. Who would have guessed that 2 decades later she would win the World Cup!
 
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