Paris Olympic Games 2024

[andzejgolot]

Harimoto beats Lin Gaoyuan and for me lefties are the biggest problem for Tomokazu. He is in his prime.

 

[NextLevel]

Harimoto beats Lin Gaoyuan and for me lefties are the biggest problem for Tomokazu. He is in his prime.

Fun fact: Calderano had been eliminated by the eventual bronze medalist at the last 2 Olympics.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Calderano in 2024, other than Chinese, has losses against Qiu Dang (twice), Cho Daeseong, Felix, Aruna
overall, he had a good year so far.
in 2023 he had a lot more random losses

 

[NextLevel]

Calderano in 2024, other than Chinese, has losses against Qiu Dang (twice), Cho Daeseong, Felix, Aruna
overall, he had a good year so far.
in 2023 he had a lot more random losses

The timing of the losses and the results of rematches are important IMHO. Form wise, he has been borderline unbeatable in May and June.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

The timing of the losses and the results of rematches are important IMHO. Form wise, he has been borderline unbeatable in May and June.

yes and no

 

[NextLevel]

yes and no
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May and June would start with Saudi Smash and end with SC Ljubljana. I think there is far more yes than no there. And the trend upwards speaks for itself but if you want to weight all the periods equally, that is definitely your prerogative.

 

[zeio]

Semi-related.

US: Don't go to China, Hong Kong, and Macau, you will be arrested.
China: 五十笑百，貽笑大方。

US at risk of losing both 2028 and 2034 Olympics, says Pound
https://www.reuters.com/sports/olym...oth-2028-2034-olympics-says-pound-2024-07-16/

Other than voicing its support for WADA, the IOC has not so far waded into the threat of a U.S. investigation but the powerful Association of Summer Olympic International Federations (ASOIF) made its position clear, saying on Friday it had growing concerns about sending officials to the United States over fears they could be arrested.

"When you look at the context, this was a national competition, a domestic China competition, there wasn't an American within 6,000 miles," said Pound. "Now all of a sudden they're trying to upgrade this to a Rodchenkov violation, which is just bad.

"You've already seen that shot across the bow from ASOIF, saying, hey listen this is serious and the U.S. may be disqualified from participation in a lot of these events.

"I think there's a danger of USADA and the U.S. playing itself offside in a way that could jeopardize both the 2028 and 2034 Games."

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

May and June would start with Saudi Smash and end with SC Ljubljana. I think there is far more yes than no there. And the trend upwards speaks for itself but if you want to weight all the periods equally, that is definitely your prerogative.

last time I weight in my opinion against yours, Truls failed (again)
There isn't much competition at SC and some of the other contenders Hugo featured in.
well, for the sake of South American TT, I do hope you are right, but draw will decide bronze medal.
There are a few Asians that is out of the top 4 due to bad rankings and Hugo isn't 100% certain of wins against them.

Hugo is gifted by 500 points from Americas. His true worth is probably not 4th seed. But it isn't he that is lucky, but rather the Asians that are unlucky.

 

[NextLevel]

last time I weight in my opinion against yours, Truls failed (again)
well, for the sake of South American TT, I do hope you are right, but draw will decide bronze medal.
There are a few Asians that is out of the top 4 due to bad rankings and Hugo isn't 100% certain of wins against them.

Hugo is gifted by 500 points from Americas. His true worth is probably not 4th seed. But it isn't he that is lucky, but rather the Asians that are unlucky.

Okay. We will see, though it is weird to debate hard facts. It is easy to remove the 500 points continental from both Felix and Hugo and see that it does nothing to their seeding and that they would still be top 4. That said, the goal is here is largely to have fun and discuss, we will see what happens when they play the matches.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Okay. We will see, though it is weird to debate hard facts. It is easy to remove the 500 points continental from both Felix and Hugo and see that it does nothing to their seeding and that they would still be top 4. That said, the goal is here is largely to have fun and discuss, we will see what happens when they play the matches.

Europe is a TT powerhouse, you can't compare Americas 500 with Europe.
And I'm sure you will agree, there are probably 10+ Asians, other than Chinese, that can take Hugo's 500 point if they were in the Americas.
Americas is already higher than Africa and Oceania, so just imagine, winning a continental champ and cup, and 2 matches, you in WR30~40 in the world.
The highest rank Australian (based in America now), lost straights to a unranked Taiwanese only just last week or two weeks. I was just chatting to a national coach yesterday about it.

 

[NextLevel]

Europe is a TT powerhouse, you can't compare Americas 500 with Europe.
And I'm sure you will agree, there are probably 10+ Asians, other than Chinese, that can take Hugo's 500 point if they were in the Americas.
Americas is already higher than Africa and Oceania, so just imagine, winning a continental champ and cup, and 2 matches, you in WR30~40 in the world.
The highest rank Australian (based in America now), lost straights to a unranked Taiwanese only just last week or two weeks. I was just chatting to a national coach yesterday about it.

Again, Hugo would be top 4 without the 500 pts from the Americas.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Again, Hugo would be top 4 without the 500 pts from the Americas.

in terms of points, he would be below LYJ

btw, Hugo has 2 x 500 points for Americas, so even if you remove the one, he still has the same points (haha)
Asians hard luck, Europeans too.
Its just one of those things

 

[NextLevel]

in terms of points, he would be below LYJ

btw, Hugo has 2 x 500 points for Americas, so even if you remove the one, he still has the same points (haha)
Asians hard luck, Europeans too.
Its just one of those things

You can't have two times 500 points - only your best continental result counts. So no, Hugo would be well above LYJ even without his 500 points. Maybe you can show your math of how you get him being below LYJ.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Is Hugo best of the rest?
well, he is the one that dodges the CNT more than the rest for sure.
Here is his results that counted towards his 8 for WR purposes, less continental.
He has peaked in many that has very little WR seeds, and he did manage to pull through.
2025 would be an interesting year, when the debate of SC/C bully can still get to 3000 points (without a single higher tiered)


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[zeio]

Matter of the fact: Whoever beats Calderano will be the bronze medalist.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

You can't have two times 500 points - only your best continental result counts. So no, Hugo would be well above LYJ even without his 500 points. Maybe you can show your math of how you get him being below LYJ.

LYJ has 2 zpp that is being contested.
injury certificate not approved. this is another issues that isn't being discussed and difficult to fix when WTT wants to do ATP, but ATP doesn't including national federations. WTT should be with players and national fed should be with ITTF.
Both myself and friends within WTT says the same thing.

never the less, I have shared Hugos performance
his team is currently world best
dodging Chinese and aiming for WR/OG seed
Lin's team must be fired lol, and also HT

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Matter of the fact: Whoever beats Calderano will be the bronze medalist.

or Hugo can just have a poor early round, like seen before and be out of the equation (ie first round exit at finals)
or he could go into SF and beat FZD again and go for gold/silver

 

[zeio]

Matter of the fact: Whoever beats Calderano will be the bronze medalist.

And Calderano happens to the 4th seed, which can't be any more convenient.

 

[zeio]

Updated original post to include the seedings.

 

[NextLevel]

LYJ has 2 zpp that is being contested.
injury certificate not approved. this is another issues that isn't being discussed and difficult to fix when WTT wants to do ATP, but ATP doesn't including national federations. WTT should be with players and national fed should be with ITTF.
Both myself and friends within WTT says the same thing.

never the less, I have shared Hugos performance
his team is currently world best
dodging Chinese and aiming for WR/OG seed
Lin's team must be fired lol, and also HT

Okay. So by the rules on the ground, not the rules that you are making up, Hugo would be #4 without the 500 points. But let us follow your rules: did you remove LYJ"s continental points too?

In the end, it is okay to believe LYJ should be higher, but there is nothing in the ITTF ranking that says that. Hugo has proven himself a reliable player at the Olympics.