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[NextLevel]

As Der_Echte would say, "been there, done that, bought the t-shirt!" Rebuilding a forehand is a painful process. But sometimes it is sooooo useful. I did a little work on fixing a few kinks in my FH (floppy left arm, hanging hook shot wrist) and BH (crank and spin) yesterday with a robot. So much more work to do. All for the LULZ!


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Ditto - in fact, where have I seen the idea of writing about a process to rebuild one's forehand before... oh, I remember reading about it here:

http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=27371

It's very easy for people to look at what I do and assume that I don't know my flaws. But I do - I just can't fix them all as an adult with rheumatoid arthritis. But it's very painful for me to loop with my knees and hard to turn on your hips when your knees hurt when you move. But since I look so gaddem athletic when running on adrenaline, people don't get the real picture unless they see my limitations in training.

You accept your limitations in this game as you get better while working at them - it's just the life of an adult amateur.

 

[Giangt]

Ditto - in fact, where have I seen the idea of writing about a process to rebuild one's forehand before... oh, I remember reading about it here:

http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=27371

It's very easy for people to look at what I do and assume that I don't know my flaws. But I do - I just can't fix them all as an adult with rheumatoid arthritis. But it's very painful for me to loop with my knees and hard to turn on your hips when your knees hurt when you move. But since I look so gaddem athletic when running on adrenaline, people don't get the real picture unless they see my limitations in training.

You accept your limitations in this game as you get better while working at them - it's just the life of an adult amateur.

It seems like you have developed a suitable game plan or technique that fits your limitations. Fortunately for you you have a wingspan like an albatross which means you can cover the table pretty good without being Speedy Gonzales behind the table.

With all your respect a lot of Paralympic players are aware of their limitation and they also know their forces. They train what they are good at to perfection and that makes them hard to beat in matches. Never underestimate players just by their looks.

 

[Der_Echte]

are you the Real Jarvis from the James Bond Movies?

Negative. That dude had weak teeth.

 

[Der_Echte]

are you the Real Jarvis from the James Bond Movies?

As Der_Echte would say, "been there, done that, bought the t-shirt!" Rebuilding a forehand is a painful process. But sometimes it is sooooo useful. I did a little work on fixing a few kinks in my FH (floppy left arm, hanging hook shot wrist) and BH (crank and spin) yesterday with a robot. So much more work to do. All for the LULZ!


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Carl, that would be... "Been there, Done that, Got the FREE T-Shirt" ...

 

[Giangt]

Negative. That dude had weak teeth.

LOL... My bad...

 

[NextLevel]

It seems like you have developed a suitable game plan or technique that fits your limitations. Fortunately for you you have a wingspan like an albatross which means you can cover the table pretty good without being Speedy Gonzales behind the table.

With all your respect a lot of Paralympic players are aware of their limitation and they also know their forces. They train what they are good at to perfection and that makes them hard to beat in matches. Never underestimate players just by their looks.

Yes. I actually look more like a conventional player than I did a year ago. A year ago, it was backhand serve, backhand loop, backhand smash, backhand block, forehand only for stray balls, hard third balls and necessary shots. I did a lot of forehand work to balance out my game. But I try to tell people that playing like Speedy Gonzales is only necessary if your opponent is able to make you uncomfortable with their ball placement and power. The younger players with higher aspirations are trained to play that way from day 1 so people who learn from those younger players sometimes don't learn some of the other tricks that are possible to limit the game. The younger players tend to learn them when they are advanced, or when their coaches give match instructions, but they apply to all players. I just use them earlier.

But my coach, who is much shorter than I am and doesn't move as much either got to a higher level than I did without playing like speedy Gonzales either. So I tell people all the time that what I do is less about my wingspan and more about the quality of serves and shots. Richard DeWitt does something similar but more with a flat ball.

I rebuilt my forehand so my game is more forehand based now. But it's still more about trying to get an edge early - I do not want to be stuck blocking in a rally against 2000+ players. I still wish my forehand technique could support more shoulder rotation even if I can't consistently use my knees.

 

[Der_Echte]

Might be able to make another meetup in NYC happen MLK holiday weekend. Let's see how it plays out.

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[NextLevel]

Varying my serves more has always been an issue. I get farther into a match and when what I am doing isn't quite working I get less creative.

I gave you a template but I must also warn you - some guy in Philly who frequents my club late at night is working on your serve. And if he learns it, it might not be fun for you to use it anymore (or it may). I heard he can't read spin, but I manaegd to get some video of his working on your serve and talking to himself at night. Roll that beautiful TT footage:

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Might be able to make another meetup in NYC happen MLK holiday weekend. Let's see how it plays out.

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Cool. I can't wait.

I gave you a template but I must also warn you - some guy in Philly who frequents my club late at night is working on your serve. And if he learns it, it might not be fun for you to use it anymore (or it may). I heard he can't read spin, but I manaegd to get some video of his working on your serve and talking to himself at night. Roll that beautiful TT footage:

Hahaha. I love it. Dr Hook is coming to get me. Now I am in trouble.

The funny thing about that serve is, I used to never practice it at all. Then one day Mark Croitoroo saw me using it in a doubles match (Edmund was on the receiving end of this particular doubles match). He went crazy. If you didn't know, he is Doctor Hook for real. He uses a lot of hook serves and they are higher level than pretty much anything else he has which is saying something because he is minimum 2350.

So after the match he dragged me onto a different table where the other guys weren't watching and told me I have to use that serve more and develop it. He told me it was my best serve. At the time I didn't believe him or think about it. It was just a serve I would pull out once in a while when I was playing someone who wasn't bothered by my pendulum.

What sold me was, weeks later I was hitting with Michael Landers and asked him if any of my serves were and good, if they had decent spin. He told me that he had to be honest and that unless someone has decently high level serves, he doesn't notice them at all. He qualified that by saying, most of the time, anyone under 2400, he doesn't notice the difference in their serves.

Then I used that serve and it was a particularly good one and he stopped and came over to my side of the table with wide open eyes and said, "can you do that again?" So I did. And he said, "that one is good. But you need to work on it." And he told me pretty much the same exact things Mark had told me about how to use it. So I started practicing it.

At some point Mark showed me some cool ways to use different contact points to make the spin totally different than what it looked like it would be. Next time we get together I can show you because that is pretty simple but very cool. Stuff that has to do with the hooked wrist and contacting different parts of the side of the ball.

Anyway, thanks for the links and the information on varying the spin that you sent me. Hopefully we will all get together again soon.


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[NextLevel]

Cool. I can't wait.

Hahaha. I love it. Dr Hook is coming to get me. Now I am in trouble.

The funny thing about that serve is, I used to never practice it at all. Then one day Mark Croitoroo saw me using it in a doubles match (Edmund was on the receiving end of this particular doubles match). He went crazy. If you didn't know, he is Doctor Hook for real. He uses a lot of hook serves and they are higher level than pretty much anything else he has which is saying something because he is minimum 2350.

So after the match he dragged me onto a different table where the other guys weren't watching and told me I have to use that serve more and develop it. He told me it was my best serve. At the time I didn't believe him or think about it. It was just a serve I would pull out once in a while when I was playing someone who wasn't bothered by my pendulum.

What sold me was, weeks later I was hitting with Michael Landers and asked him if any of my serves were and good, if they had decent spin. He told me that he had to be honest and that unless someone has decently high level serves, he doesn't notice them at all. He qualified that by saying, most of the time, anyone under 2400, he doesn't notice the difference in their serves.

Then I used that serve and it was a particularly good one and he stopped and came over to my side of the table with wide open eyes and said, "can you do that again?" So I did. And he said, "that one is good. But you need to work on it." And he told me pretty much the same exact things Mark had told me about how to use it. So I started practicing it.

At some point Mark showed me some cool ways to use different contact points to make the spin totally different than what it looked like it would be. Next time we get together I can show you because that is pretty simple but very cool. Stuff that has to do with the hooked wrist and contacting different parts of the side of the ball.

Anyway, thanks for the links and the information on varying the spin that you sent me. Hopefully we will all get together again soon.


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It's Brett Clarke's favorite serve. He just did a TTEdge series on it so that's why I am working on it. That said, I have learned that it is stupid to be arrogant in TT and that you could easily know stuff that makes my serve better for what I try to do with it. Many people look at people's ratings and think that what they are saying is largely about the rating. In a sense, that is sometimes true, but they would be surprised how much lower rated players know if they have been given access to the right information. Your hook serve is pretty good and I have seen 2500+ players struggle with Mark's serve (they only win because he struggles with their serves and other things too).

The annoying thing about TT is that after you show me all this cool stuff, I then have to spend 20 hours working on it to get competent - man, I need a life! But the cool thing is that I have heard from two high level servers describe serving as a magic trick, that even when you know how the trick is performed, a competent magician can still fool you repeatedly. because of the speed of sleight of hand. And you are a competent magician. That is why I am trying to learn your tricks.

 

[Der_Echte]

I will be tallying up the total of the victims this Saturday from NL's newest serve at the tourney along with ringer Schemer_SC.

 

[Der_Echte]

Haha Schemer waz sick and NL musta had someone call wearing some hot lipstick haha. I waz only one at the HCTTC Tourney! But it is all good. I sucked in a few matches, but managed to advance to semis of Open and Finals of U2000. Will lose a dozen points methinks, but I'll get them and some more at a future tourney.

Plenty of other chances to do spring MDTTC tourney or another MD Circuit tourney in the future.

 

[NextLevel]

Haha Schemer waz sick and NL musta had someone call wearing some hot lipstick haha. I waz only one at the HCTTC Tourney! But it is all good. I sucked in a few matches, but managed to advance to semis of Open and Finals of U2000. Will lose a dozen points methinks, but I'll get them and some more at a future tourney.

Plenty of other chances to do spring MDTTC tourney or another MD Circuit tourney in the future.

Travelling outta town next week so I had to start prepping early. Tried to reach you. Good to hear it was all good.

 

[Der_Echte]

Travelling outta town next week so I had to start prepping early. Tried to reach you. Good to hear it was all good.

Haha, 0200, that is 2 AM in the morning and NL is on TTD. Man, that dude eats, breathes and sleeps table Tennis. Heck, I don't think he sleeps.

 

[ttmonster]

Aren't you in the same timezone ?

Haha, 0200, that is 2 AM in the morning and NL is on TTD. Man, that dude eats, breathes and sleeps table Tennis. Heck, I don't think he sleeps.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Aren't you in the same timezone ?

Yep. So 2am for Der is 2am for NL. Same for 3am (now) and I'm in the same time zone too.


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[ttmonster]

its midnight here , if the hours spent on TTD could be debited to table tennis training account virtually , we all could have been in CNT beating the likes of Ma Long and ZJK

 

[Der_Echte]

ttmonster, don't let Carl fool you, it is his deep space auto app responding at 0300 HRS while he rests, or baits traps.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

And in my deep space app, I do beat Ma Long and Zhang Jike.


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[Der_Echte]

... at CHECKERS...