How to choose long pips?

[DiegOX]

Hello everybody,

This is my first post in this forum. I hope I’m posting this in the right section and in the right way.

I love long pips and recently I got the chance to test one from Sauer and Tröger. Due I didn’t know which one to choose, I decided to do this creative video about what I think is important to have in consideration about choosing long pips.

It would be so interesting for me to get some feedback from experienced people here about the content and format of the video.

Thanks in advance.

Long Life Long Pips

 

[brokenball]

It depends a lot on whether you are chopping or push blocking. I have a chopping paddle and two push blocking paddles. The LPs different. The push blocking LPs are designed to have lower friction so there is more "spin reversal". Chopping LPs often come with sponge and are a little softer for more grip so one can add more back spin to a ball when chopping.

Don't pay a lot for LPs to start. Some LPs are overrated.

 

[DiegOX]

It depends a lot on whether you are chopping or push blocking. I have a chopping paddle and two push blocking paddles. The LPs different. The push blocking LPs are designed to have lower friction so there is more "spin reversal". Chopping LPs often come with sponge and are a little softer for more grip so one can add more back spin to a ball when chopping.

Don't pay a lot for LPs to start. Some LPs are overrated.

Thanks for answering, did you watch the video. According to this I would like to have your opinion about this aspects to be considered?

Regards

 

[Der_Echte]

Hi Diego,

OOAK forum is also another great place for pips focused discussion. Glad you chose pips play as your way to play. Everything should not be the same style and way for our sport. The newer balls increasingly nudge everyone to play a similar offensive game.

Of course there are many different ways to play with LP, whether you are retrieving from off table, chopping off table, bumping it from everywhere, soft hand off the bounce blocking, hitting at the table through spin, or just changing up the spin...

Each task has a rubber and sponge thickness that makes it easier or more difficult to do that task.

Equipment selection for pips should be a very similar process to inverted rubber selection.

Identify the shot that count the most to you... then find and use equipment that makes it easy to do that.

Of course you could read a review and find the equipment is totally different from your expectations, but often what a good player says about the ease of a shot is true.

You will still need to do your own personal testing and validation of what will work for you... there is no replacing that part of the process.

 

[Der_Echte]

I think in your vid you thoughtfully considered what tasks require which performance characteristics... which guide one towards one rubber/sponge or another.

 

[DiegOX]

Hi Diego,

OOAK forum is also another great place for pips focused discussion. Glad you chose pips play as your way to play. Everything should not be the same style and way for our sport. The newer balls increasingly nudge everyone to play a similar offensive game.

Of course there are many different ways to play with LP, whether you are retrieving from off table, chopping off table, bumping it from everywhere, soft hand off the bounce blocking, hitting at the table through spin, or just changing up the spin...

Each task has a rubber and sponge thickness that makes it easier or more difficult to do that task.

Equipment selection for pips should be a very similar process to inverted rubber selection.

Identify the shot that count the most to you... then find and use equipment that makes it easy to do that.

Of course you could read a review and find the equipment is totally different from your expectations, but often what a good player says about the ease of a shot is true.

You will still need to do your own personal testing and validation of what will work for you... there is no replacing that part of the process.

Thanks for you nice replay. It is true and I agree with all that you express here. It is amazing the process to chose the setup, base on qualities. And yes, it have to be based on experience. But I also think reading something, some times give us this aja! moment of maybe this is the way. Really thanks for answering, I really appreciate it

 

[DiegOX]

I think in your vid you thoughtfully considered what tasks require which performance characteristics... which guide one towards one rubber/sponge or another.

Thanks again, I really appreciate that you took your time for watching it.

 

[kingkimchi]

Hello everybody,

This is my first post in this forum. I hope I’m posting this in the right section and in the right way.

I love long pips and recently I got the chance to test one from Sauer and Tröger. Due I didn’t know which one to choose, I decided to do this creative video about what I think is important to have in consideration about choosing long pips.

It would be so interesting for me to get some feedback from experienced people here about the content and format of the video.

Thanks in advance.

Long Life Long Pips

Definetly not a long pips player. But I have some experience with a few lp. Recommend the dornenglanz III, lion claw, dawei 388-d1.

 

[DiegOX]

Definetly not a long pips player. But I have some experience with a few lp. Recommend the dornenglanz III, lion claw, dawei 388-d1.

Thanks for the suggestions, I didn’t know couple of them. This is that I like about this forums, always appear interesting information that open a new world of possibilities.

Regards

 

[igorponger]

THE LOW FRICTION PIPS UNADVERTISED BY A MANUFACTUTER. THE PRACTICAL WAY TO DETECT.

Is it possible to obtain low friction rubber on a general marketplace.? Which ones? The answer is rather in positive.
Some of China resellers came out with the idea of using the Yinhe novelty test device to sort out the "abnormal" low friction rubber pips from the standard products . Yes, the low friction species is deemed the most preferred attainments with the aging folks.
Ask Yinhe for the test device.

https://sun9-17.userapi.com/impf/Z7tva6b2wOiT7zmTwAx47Kil-cgw7WYkgu0Iag/6dmu5rmlD6M.jpg?size=1052x1052&quality=95&sign=72ed77a74715909adaa21f472d220f85&type=album

 

[DiegOX]

THE LOW FRICTION PIPS UNADVERCED BY A MANUFACTUTER. THE PRACTICAL WAY TO DETECT.

Is it possible to obtain low friction rubber on a general marketplace.? Which ones? The answer is rather in positive.
Some of China resellers came out with the idea of using the Yinhe novelty test device to sort out the "abnormal" low friction rubber pips from the standard products . Yes, the low friction species is deemed the most preferred attainments with the aging folks.
Ask Yinhe for the test device.

https://sun9-17.userapi.com/impf/Z7tva6b2wOiT7zmTwAx47Kil-cgw7WYkgu0Iag/6dmu5rmlD6M.jpg?size=1052x1052&quality=95&sign=72ed77a74715909adaa21f472d220f85&type=album

Thanks for your comment. It is true, this became a recurrent topic in different forums. I think after rules change people is so scared about the fact that could be people using them in tournaments.

I think with out using this friction tester, you can know if the rubber is permitted by competence just with the number and ITTF seal. And it it was modify, I think also you notice the brightness on it if they used some oils.

What do you think about it? I would like to get your thought concerning this topic

 

[Andrea Jiang]

Thanks for your comment. It is true, this became a recurrent topic in different forums. I think after rules change people is so scared about the fact that could be people using them in tournaments.

I think with out using this friction tester, you can know if the rubber is permitted by competence just with the number and ITTF seal. And it it was modify, I think also you notice the brightness on it if they used some oils.

What do you think about it? I would like to get your thought concerning this topic

Hello bro,

I saw your Liked and commented on our YouTube video about sanwei Dizzy OX (Long Pimple). 🥰 And I'm also glad to see your post on TTD.

As a Pokemon and table tennis fan, I really enjoyed your views and videos on long pimple rubber.

Good job!

 

[DiegOX]

Hello bro,

I saw your Liked and commented on our YouTube video about sanwei Dizzy OX (Long Pimple). 🥰 And I'm also glad to see your post on TTD.

As a Pokemon and table tennis fan, I really enjoyed your views and videos on long pimple rubber.

Good job!

Hello Andrea,

I’m so glad to read your answer. I got to know your bran recently and seems as it is one of the specialised ones that I mentioned in the video, taking the time to produce quality material.

If at some point you consider it, I will be so glad to test and review your products, I like to make this kind of creative content and I have many new ideas that I would like to implement.

Regards.

 

[igorponger]

☛ Low friction pips still existing on market, being unadvertized though.

RUBBERS MOST DESIRED, MOST SOLD.
Don't ask me names, please.

A fellow umpire of mine has related an interesting case that took place in a lower league tournament. A participant player approached to him asking for friction test on his spare set of rubbers long pips. All three rubbers in mint condition, and all of them did failed in the test. It is to say that some rubber suppliers still goes on producing the low-friction products in utter defiance to ITTF minimum friction limit of 0.5.

That is that, money doesn't smell. So, we have now found out that some crooky and yet clever suppliers are looking to make money by catering the need of old farts. Seeing that many aged players eager to get non-grippy pips, some of China suppliers decided to please the demand from the old farts, catering outlaw products of low friction rubbers on general market, unadvertised though. Nice commerce, indeed.
Yes, you need a special device to detect the "hidden" low-friction pips.

Be happy.

𝑫𝑰𝑪𝑻𝑼𝑴 𝑺𝑨𝑷𝑰𝑬𝑵𝑻𝑰 𝑺𝑨𝑻 𝑬𝑺𝑻

 

[DiegOX]

☛ Low friction pips still existing on market, being unadvertized though.

RUBBERS MOST DESIRED, MOST SOLD.
Don't ask me names, please.

A fellow umpire of mine has related an interesting case that took place in a lower league tournament. A participant player approached to him asking for friction test on his spare set of rubbers long pips. All three rubbers in mint condition, and all of them did failed in the test. It is to say that some rubber suppliers still goes on producing the low-friction products in utter defiance to ITTF minimum friction limit of 0.5.

That is that, money doesn't smell. So, we have now found out that some crooky and yet clever suppliers are looking to make money by catering the need of old farts. Seeing that many aged players eager to get non-grippy pips, some of China suppliers decided to please the demand from the old farts, catering outlaw products of low friction rubbers on general market, unadvertised though. Nice commerce, indeed.
Yes, you need a special device to detect the "hidden" low-friction pips.

Be happy.

𝑫𝑰𝑪𝑻𝑼𝑴 𝑺𝑨𝑷𝑰𝑬𝑵𝑻𝑰 𝑺𝑨𝑻 𝑬𝑺𝑻

Thank for this information. I think it is not new. It you watch matches of tournaments in Indonesia, for example, they sometimes even produce their own pips.

Actually for me the point comes from the organisers of the tournaments, and it is than easy that having printed the list of the rubbers that are permited and the referees really doing his job and checking it.

I think no more needed.

Regards and thanks for all the valuable information in your answer.

 

[Lando]

Durability, for me, is what I go for.
I play penhold with inverted and LP. Due to the finger position of penhold, the pips easily break (LP used to last me about 2 weeks).
But, the Saviga V in Green, has lasted me 5 months so far without breaking.

 

[brokenball]

I have heard that Saviga V is a good rubber. I once took a sheet of 755 0X and put it in the back of my car until it got hard and britttle. The spin reversal was great but the pips soon broke off because they were too hard and brittle.

@Lando, I can play c-pen as shown in recent videos. What rubber to use on your FH side? I would use the LP and use inverted on the BH. I like hitting/ looping with RPB on the BH side. I have a YEO. I should try pushblocking LPs on the FH side some time.

 

[DiegOX]

Durability, for me, is what I go for.
I play penhold with inverted and LP. Due to the finger position of penhold, the pips easily break (LP used to last me about 2 weeks).
But, the Saviga V in Green, has lasted me 5 months so far without breaking.

I totally agree. Durability is one of the aspects that is important to consider.

In my case I stated using cheap long pips as Friendship or DHS, because my trainer thought they were more disruptive. But the pips used to fall down after one week.

I changed to TSP, and durability is amazing but they are so slow for me because the separation between pips is so short. And also a little bit more expensive than average.

Now I’m testing Hellfire X and I’m so satisfied with the result. For now all pips in their places. I will try soon also Dr Neubauer Desperado and Trouble Maker, for checking the difference.

Regards.

 

[DiegOX]

I have heard that Saviga V is a good rubber. I once took a sheet of 755 0X and put it in the back of my car until it got hard and britttle. The spin reversal was great but the pips soon broke off because they were too hard and brittle.

@Lando, I can play c-pen as shown in recent videos. What rubber to use on your FH side? I would use the LP and use inverted on the BH. I like hitting/ looping with RPB on the BH side. I have a YEO. I should try pushblocking LPs on the FH side some time.

I don’t know that people use to put it in the car for this reason jajajajaja so interesting.

I hear that Saviga V is good and it is so used for being modified in certain countries, because of the resistance of the material.

Nice to watch videos about you playing with this style.

Regards.

 

[Lando]

I have heard that Saviga V is a good rubber. I once took a sheet of 755 0X and put it in the back of my car until it got hard and britttle. The spin reversal was great but the pips soon broke off because they were too hard and brittle.

@Lando, I can play c-pen as shown in recent videos. What rubber to use on your FH side? I would use the LP and use inverted on the BH. I like hitting/ looping with RPB on the BH side. I have a YEO. I should try pushblocking LPs on the FH side some time.

I use Jupiter Asia 3. But I mainly serve with inverted then twiddle to LP.
It's a nice rubber, with an even better price tag. I think you can grab a sheet of it for 8-$10 on AliExpress