Dude it actually says 侧上 which is sidetopspin....
Just because it says sidetop doesn't mean it has sidetop though. I think it's probably more of a sidespin/no spin push, but it doesn't really matter in the end. The opponent thinks it's a fairly heavy backspin and it isn't, and that's all that matters.
It is the exact same wrist movement that creates heavy sidetopspin in the hook serve or reverse pendulum. It can absolutely be used to produce sidetopspin.
But you're brushing a backspin ball on an upward trajectory for this push while on services you're brushing a no spin ball on a downward trajectory.
Yes it is possible - exact same principle is used for the strawberry stroke to create sidetopspin off an incoming underspin ball.
The strawberry flick is just an over the table sidetopspin loop, this is different. Look at the shot at 2:01 in slow motion for example, he's basically just contacting the ball and then do a fake brush, which is more like a no spin serve.
If that's what you think, you would eat a huge amount of serves for breakfast lol.
sorry but you need to learn physics again. It’s certainly possible to create topspin by brushing the bottom part of the ball and your racket goes a little upward and backward. People use this a lot in serves.
Yes its generally weak spin balls but it shows the principle behind it which is the important part.
Yeah, you're both right, I just tried some topspin serves and it's pretty clear I'm brushing the bottom of the ball 😙
I think it's because he's using penhold so it's a lot more subtle. If I did it with shakehand i actually have to disguise the normal underspin push by adding a fake upwards followthrough after the push. Whereas with the sidetopspin push the upwards followthrough is the one that is brushing the ball.
I watched them all in 0.25 speed, other than the one at 2:09 he doesn't go upward at all. He actually uses a variety of techniques, sometimes no spin, sometimes sidespin, and only the one at 2:09 is topspin and that one was very obviously not a backspin push even at regular speed.
2:09 is extremely exaggerated. The rest are a lot more subtle which is what does the damage. I use a very similar principle for my heavy sidetopspin hook serve which everybody thinks is underspin, on second thought I probably will just keep this a secret lol.
I'm definitely not an expert but wouldn't the replies to the push jump high if there are a topspin component? Definitely a good push but the opponent misses low into the net. Isn't that an indication that it was under or side underspin?
Have you watched it through?
Yes, my point is videos like this can make people misunderstand about this “magic” stroke. If you want to produce enough topspin that your opponent push it off the table, the stroke need to be much more exaggerated/obvious than this. In this video, it looks like magic
) still normal a push stroke, with no upward motion, yet produce so much topspin, it’s very far from realistic.
