ITTF Trailing "No-Let" Rule

[Persistence TT]

@TT Frezny
I have read carefully yours and Tony post, but during the weekend, I didnot have time to answer immediately and sorry for that.
On the other side, you have noticed perfectly that it is basically thesame post.
I thought I was misunderstood for some issues and try to clarify the samethrough arguments.
We have different opinions about same issue, so what?
I am not sure as you how relaxed players are Ma lin Zhang Jike Wang Hao…but I would like to know, how no-let rule would destroy the game if such weapon(edge serve) they already have in their arsenal, under existing rule and nobodywas/is abusing it (even though they are relaxed)? Just do not answer that edgeserves is much more difficult, please…
You said that “the luck factor implemented is just too big” totally agree,exactly my point – no serious player would like to gamble with it (read – doinglet-serve).
I really cannot imagine that couch Guoliang (or any other) would adviceany of his players (for example Zhang Jike) on time out with this words “now gowith 4 let-serve consequently as you are relaxed and were good on training lastmonth” – can you?
But in the end I said trial period, if you are not satisfied withsomething during the trial period you are not obliged to buy it. Everything wecan do now is to discus, but if we try… somebody might be surprised, might beme…
@ Tony,
I never compared my serving ability with yours and you do not need tospell me anything so I will eventually understand how good you are, in the endmaybe your tt level is far above mine.
In this case, only important is that pro players - the best on planet currently,are at least couple of levels above yours (hope we agree upon this?)… And yet,they do not abuse edge serve, even though they can… identical weapon as a letserve!!!
Regarding the “lots of rule changes has been enforce to taken awayadvantages of service” I cannot discus unblock, you must be more specific, andbelieve me I am not fan of changing the rules at any cost – only choosing thegood one (IMO off course..)

Well since I like to learn/explain TT through the microscope of science physics,mathematics,probabilities can all help us to understand the whole game better.

I never said that players will start to abuse the "let" serve or that anyone can do it whenever they want.

What they will do is examine which of their serves are likely to "let" and use them more often, resulting in more let points = no rallies = no spectacle. Do TT lovers really want that?

I explained with every detail, the reasons why the "let" serve will give players an uneven advantage. Of course LGL will not give such kind of advice to ZJK, no coach will do that whatsoever to any player and I didnt claim the he will so your assumption about LGL and ZJK is out of reality.

Again I explained with detail all the possible cases on the let serve and the edge serve and why the let serve is a safer option.

Let serve = Large margin for error

Edge serve = Almost no margin for error. Even if the ball lands on the table it will be a long serve and it will be attacked. So if you were a top player would you abuse an edge serve?

1. You will get attacked most of the times if the ball just lands long 2. You will be predictable 3. Sometimes the ball will go out

I dont understand why you still insist about why the pros dont abuse the edge serve, since the option is not safe and does not worth the training.

There is no need to explain once more that edge serves are much more difficult and risky. Its pure physics that lower near to 0 % the probability of an edge serve landing with success.

You are right about the trial period, but this does not mean that such trials can provide us with good information about the long distance future. The trials made for the plastic ball for example, are giving feedback to the ITTF and the companies on how to improve it, so these kind of trials are useful.

The "no let" serve rule cannot be "improved" either we use it or not. My personal opinion is that the trial games in the Belarus Open were a comedy, even the referees couldnt adapt to the rule and called "let" many times confusing the players. This shows the lack of professionalism and proper management of the ITTF towards the referees, they should have informed them to be properly focused on the new rule.

You misunderstood my point about relaxed players, I was referring to relaxed players that can play in matches as good as they play in training, because you said that no one can do that

 

[alfas]

TTFrenzy,
"Well since I like to learn/explain TT through the microscope of science physics,mathematics,probabilities can all help us to understand the whole game better." (Super, it makes two of us).
"I never said that players will start to abuse the "let" serve or that anyone can do it whenever they want". Excellent, I understood totally the opposite, even the regular player skilled enough with practicing could have mastered this skill and will abuse let serves (pro players not to mention, they already have the knowledge), in that name I am deeply apologizing to you).
"I dont understand why you still insist about why the pros dont abuse the edge serve, since the option is not safe and does not worth the training". (Edge serves are not only those long ones (horizontal/parallel to the bottom line of the table - server's stance). There are two more opportunities, verically from the server stance (servers forehand/backhand) which starts from the net till the crossing with parallel line of the table (opposite from servers stance). It means one could serve very short edge serve (5-15 cm from the net) both forehand/backhand, middle and long ones as well Fh/Bh/Prallel line of th table).
"What they will do is examine which of their serves are likely to "let" and use them more often, resulting in more let points" (The key word is "likely", earnestly - in reality it means 50-50% and it wil last till the first lost point and no longer IMO. And inthe end if someone is that good and serve with such precision, then he reallydeserve the point, otherwise it is just another stupid gambler with no ttfuture.
"You misunderstood my point about relaxed players, I was referring to relaxed players that can play in matches as good as they play in training, because you said that no one can do that " (I still think the same, no matter how relaxed they are they do not play as on training (lots of you tube clips when all top 100 players served directly into the net or over the table (Ma Long, Ma Lin, ZJK, Timo... I hope you are not asking me to find them..) Nobody is perfect, that is the reason why we should not be worried referring the no-let rule as well as with edge serves.
It is stupid to kill an ox for only two sausages, right?
Forthe rest of it we found common ground, I think.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I found something out. In college tennis in the USA they use a No Let Rule in Division 1. I also found out the reason. The majority of the matches do not have an umpire, refs or line judges. So, any time a player hits an ace, the opponent was calling a let. The reason, in college tennis for a No Let Rule is that, the random let that wins a point in tennis is less detrimental than the amount of cheating that was going on before the No Let Rule was implemented.

I don't think there is any equivalent scenario in table tennis. But, perhaps they got the idea to try it as a result of not understanding why it made sense to have a No Let Rule in division 1 college tennis. A friend of mine who was a pro tennis player and recently resigned from an 8 year stint as a coach of a college team, gave me this information.

 

[Pnachtwey]

I would practice hitting the net with soft serves. I am sure one could hit the net and roll the ball over 50% of the time with practice.
I agree with the comment above that those with reach would fair better.
The no-let rule will ruin the game.

 

[Ownage Table Tennis]

My opinions about this rule:
Complete insane nonsense
Unfair for taller players
Friends think table tennis would be less popular

 

[JoshGSY]

I dont understand the rule, for me people will take advantage of the rule and try and get a net serve so...not a good idea in my opinion

 

[JoshGSY]

However, it would make it easier for umpires and officials, meaning less incorrect decisions and less conflict during matches.