Why did China not field Wang Manyu after she saved them against India?

[zeio]

I remembered I forgot Kihara after I wrote my post, and again, the existence of WMY is the key. They framed it as a singles thing, but the reality is that WYD is just toast with respect to the Olympics, the team is better able to tolerate Chen Meng at #3.

The Chen Meng and Wang Manyu pairing is already being utilized so it is clear where this is all going.

Like the JNT, the 3rd member is up to the coaching staff, so it is game over for WYD with Li Sun putting it that way.

成也日本，敗也日本
Rise and Fall because of Japan

MLin cited her results at Asian Cup 2022 and WTT SCT Goa 2023 as the basis for WTTC 2023 (in the press conference that took place after Singapore Smash 2023) but ironically it was a downward spiral from there, both starting and ending with Hirano.

WTTC 2021
R16 WYD 4-2 Hayata
Asian Cup 2022
SF WYD 4-1 Hayata
F WYD 4-2 Ito
WTT SCT Goa 2023
SF WYD 1-2 -> 3-2 Harimoto

Singapore Smash 2023
R16 WYD 0-2 -> 2-3 Hirano
WTTC 2023
QF WYD 1-2 -> 3-2 -> 3-4 Hayata
Asian Games 2022
WS SF WYD 1-2 -> 3-2 -> 3-4 Hayata
WTT SCT Lanzhou 2023
R16 WYD 0-3 Kihara
WTTC 2024
F WYD 0-3 Hirano

Speaking of Kihara, I still get the hunch that she would fare better than Hayata against WMY (don't let Kihara play CM, her idol, though), which is why I suggested her over Hayata because of her value in doubles with Harimoto. Hayata playing 2 singles will likely end up the same like Ito at Tokyo 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wikuebvg8DE

 

[zeio]

CXT will probably retire after Paris 2024.

陈幸同要去成体读博了
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8959026836

 

[Shine]

CXT will probably retire after Paris 2024.

陈幸同要去成体读博了
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8959026836

Sorry I can't read Chinese but has that been confirmed?? That's sad, I thought there was a slim chance that she'll compete till 2026 or 2028 if she wanted an Olympic place badly. If CM and CXT both retire after Paris, The team will sorely miss them. I don't think China has capable replacements for them right now. Who'll play the 3rd match in singles if WYD still has the mistrust of the coaches? Especially at a time when Japan has 4 insanely competitive players.

 

[zeio]

FZD on WTTC 2024.

https://weibo.com/5384835515/O7wtHlzrs

《乒乓世界》2024年4月
樊振东 在釜山，紧张也必须硬顶上

从2023年亚锦赛到世乒赛再回韩国，这段时间里樊振东与几个单打冠军失之交臂，这算是一段低谷吗？“我还真的思考过这个问题，”樊振东笑了，“我觉得不算低谷，那段时间里我感觉自己被比赛追着打，面对比赛时更多的是消极和等待，而不是积极地去应战，而比赛的结果也正体现出了我的这种状态。”

在总结釜山世乒赛时，樊振东在获得全胜后依然保持着清醒。“我已经处理好此前遇到的问题了吗？其实这个答案还不能确定，但至少我有了经验，知道面对问题的时候自己该做什么。我更了解了自己，消极的时候我是什么样子什么状态。从另一个角度来说，这个找节奏的过程、这段感觉没有被我利用得很好的过程，希望能通过我的思考，最终变成我的财富。”樊振东说。

7月底，8天的新冠肺炎发烧让樊振东急需重新蓄力，只是“人还没准备好，比赛又来了”，在这个时候，亚锦赛开始了。

“其实从淘汰赛第一场（1/8决赛）我就感觉有点别扭，胃有些不舒服，这让我感觉各方面都不舒服。”到1/4决赛，樊振东除了身体难受，“说实话，其实赛前心理压力挺大的”，因为他想到了两年前在成都，对日本队经历的那一场五盘大战。

“在2019年团体世界杯决赛上，我们对韩国队，我上场时队伍也是0比1落后，但后来我们扭转了局面。有时候想这些是为了给自己一些心理暗示，局面很困难的时候，想一些对自己有利的东西，能稍微放松一点。”

“我在训练场听着比分时就很紧张，走进赛场感受到韩国主场营造出来的气氛时也很紧张，压力很大。我处理得最好的一点是，比赛真开始后打了几个球，就能感觉到比较轻松了，没有一直背着压力，慢慢就能够在赛场上站稳了。”

赛前的紧张感比打第二盘之前更强烈了，对手是在第一盘刚拿了中国队一分的张禹珍。樊振东说：“外协会的运动员，在团体赛中拿了一分后，会特别有信心、觉得自己正处在状态最好的时候。而且在我记忆中，这是我第一次团体赛在1比2落后的时候上场。”从来没有经历过这个局面的樊振东，“即使硬着头皮，也必须要上去顶了”。

“首先我对对手在决赛中的发挥感到有些不确定，其次还有一个让我紧张的点是，在半决赛拿了两分，当大家理所应当觉得我没问题时，我反而认为此刻的自己压力最大。”樊振东形容这种难以名状的压力说：“好像是大家都觉得我这一分已经揣兜里了，但我自己一摸兜，里面还什么也没有。”

被认为“已经激活了”“很稳定”“没有问题了”，正是樊振东决赛前面临最大的困难，在这些“没道理”的安逸氛围中，樊振东不断提醒和调动着自己，一直在做着思想准备。这种自身感觉和周围氛围的落差感，让他感觉挺难受的，不知不觉也背上了包袱。“我又想到了成都世乒赛半决赛，输了一盘后整个人有点沉，这次决赛前和那时候的感觉有点相似，但又不完全一样。半决赛拿了两分，肯定有信心上的积累，但毕竟比赛没结束，感觉这点积累作用也不太大，所以能做的只是拼命提醒自己。”

“两年的时间，自己确实比打成都世乒赛时进步了。”樊振东笑着说：“在面对压力的时候，在自己想要赢下来的时候，能迸发出力量，这让我在釜山收获了一些信心。但我想得更多的是接下来怎样做，怎样去把握这种比赛感觉，怎样将好的比赛感觉延长，这才是我现在要做的。”

樊振东的比赛感觉经过釜山一役好些了吗？“提气这方面肯定好一些，人每天都在向前走，每个阶段不一样，现在目标更清晰了，具体的各种小细节，肯定还需要时时刻刻去调整。”樊振东也在尝试除了打比赛获得好成绩之外，更多一些的释放和解压渠道，“从德班世乒赛到釜山世乒赛，感觉自己更务实了一些，做好每一天要做好的事就好”。

樊振东分享了他的解压经验，“做自己当然是最开心的”。他在今年回归微博，成为了社交媒体上的“活人”。“我觉得这是挺正常的事情，我愿意在不影响他人的前提下、在我们互相尊重的基础上，和大家分享我的感受、我的生活，分享我在赛场之外的样子。”樊振东告诉我们，他的生活和解压过程很简单，“其实事情没有大小，只要你想做好，那当你做到了的时候，就能从这个过程中汲取到力量，这种感觉对我平时解压和释放还是挺重要的”。

樊振东说正是因为经历过那段将外界的期待作为他自己目标的过程，现在的他才更确定了很多自己的想法。“不同的声音可以借鉴，听到后可以引发思考，认可的声音会让你更坚决，但那些都不是唯一的答案”，樊振东有着自己内心中坚定的选择。

“每一刻的心态都不一样，因为你在面对问题时的态度和出发点会有不同。一次成功会增加信心，但我明白，下次再这样做又不一定会成功，就让当下的自己去解决当下面临的问题吧。”樊振东自信地笑了。

 

[zeio]

Sorry I can't read Chinese but has that been confirmed?? That's sad, I thought there was a slim chance that she'll compete till 2026 or 2028 if she wanted an Olympic place badly. If CM and CXT both retire after Paris, The team will sorely miss them. I don't think China has capable replacements for them right now. Who'll play the 3rd match in singles if WYD still has the mistrust of the coaches? Especially at a time when Japan has 4 insanely competitive players.

The retirement is NOT confirmed, but it's as good as confirmed as she will study for her master's degree at Chengdu Sport University later this year.

This is another reason I'm so critical of Hayata. Time is running out. The next wave is coming up. It will only get harder going forward.

 

[NextLevel]

CXT will probably retire after Paris 2024.

陈幸同要去成体读博了
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8959026836

Qian Tianyi and Ma Long amongst others did degrees while playing so this might not mean retiremrnt. Of course she will but when after Paris 2024? I think after WTTC 2025 at the earliest unless there is something private going on. Kuai Man doesn't seem quite ready. Qian Tianyi will leave the 3rd spot vulnerable as well. But the first two spots are solid

 

[Shine]

The retirement is NOT confirmed, but it's as good as confirmed as she will study for her master's degree at Chengdu Sport University later this year.

This is another reason I'm so critical of Hayata. Time is running out. The next wave is coming up. It will only get harder going forward.

Sad, let's see if QTY and KM can be good fill-ins.

Only Harimoto is from the next wave TBF. Hayata still has Paris and LA, and Harimoto may not be impactful until LA.

 

[Shine]

A master's program is only a year or two in most countries. That shouldn't necessitate a stop, but she's probably also considering her age.

 

[zeio]

CTTA has published the revised selection criteria for the women's team.

https://www.ctta.cn/xhgg/qttz/2024/0412/600265.html (China's IP needed)

 

[zeio]

It's 2024/5/7, and as stated in the document, CTTA publishes the MS and XD lineups:
MS: WCQ, FZD
XD: WCQ/SYS

The WS lineup will be determined on the new date - 5/14.

https://weibo.com/1498760141/Od8Y9uOXQ

https://www.ctta.cn/xhgg/ssxg/2024/0507/601893.html

 

[zeio]

Player standings for MS/WS/XD at the end of the race, 2024/5/7 for MS/XD and 2024/5/14 for WS.

https://weibo.com/u/7360795486?layerid=4945075869060461
https://weibo.com/7360795486/NiUD0C12t

草莓牛奶特别甜
2023-9-12
来自 iPhone客户端
已编辑
🏓中国乒乓球𝟮𝟬𝟮𝟰巴黎奥运会参赛选拔进度🏓
选拔周期：2023年5月8日-2024年5月7日(女单5月14日)
更新进度：2024年5月11日
记录范围：选拔周期内国乒所参与赛事（不含青年赛）
【P1-P3】单项选拔记录明细
【P4当前选拔排名及积分总览】
【P5各项参赛选拔规则】
【P6选拔周期内比赛报名规则】
【P7女队参加2024年巴黎奥运会选拔办法相关修订内容】
【P8男单选拔结果微博正文】
【P9混双选拔结果微博正文】
【P10男单、混双参赛名单公示】

 

[zeio]

For future reference. Zhang Yining on WS and WT at Paris 2024 on 2024/5/12.

https://weibo.com/5044281310/OdWv7i4JZ
澎湃新闻
24-5-12 15:35
来自 微博视频号
已编辑
【#张怡宁预测巴黎女乒竞争#：中国队单打团体夺金没问题】#张怡宁说巴黎女乒夺金没问题#5月12日，国乒传奇张怡宁现身上海。接受澎湃新闻记者采访时，她表示中国女乒在巴黎奥运会拿到单打和团体两枚金牌问题不大，期待孙颖莎、王曼昱等球员向金牌发起冲击。#张怡宁点赞孙颖莎王曼昱# 澎湃新闻的微博视频

https://weibo.com/1655068234/OdVgLk14q
东方体育日报
24-5-12 12:27
来自 微博视频号
【东现场】#张怡宁# 谈巴黎奥运女乒前景：非要留点悬念的话可能是女团，但反正最终都是咱们中国赢！#国乒##奥运会##孙颖莎# 东方体育日报的微博视频

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

https://www.ctta.cn/xhgg/qttz/2024/0412/600265.html (China's IP needed)

I notice some time ago, viewing CTTA required a China's IP
I don't have a date, but before that, it wasn't the case (I travel a lot, and that time don't have VPN and could easily view CTTA)

I can't figure out why China wants to limit CTTA content to that of within China only
Its like USATT limited to readers from within USA only, or JTTA to that of Japan only....
it's not like CTTA shared content is different to ones that reach international news
Zeio, what is your take on it?

 

[zeio]

WS: SYS, CM
MT: WCQ, FZD, ML
WT: SYS, CM, WMY
MT Ap alternate athlete: LJK
WT Ap alternate athlete: WYD

https://weibo.com/1498760141/OedljdFjx

https://www.ctta.cn/xhgg/ssxg/2024/0507/601893.html

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

MS is not 100% decided yet ?

 

[blahness]

MS is not 100% decided yet ?

MS already decided earlier it is WCQ and FZD.... the rest are way too far behind to even join the competition

 

[zeio]

I notice some time ago, viewing CTTA required a China's IP
I don't have a date, but before that, it wasn't the case (I travel a lot, and that time don't have VPN and could easily view CTTA)

I can't figure out why China wants to limit CTTA content to that of within China only
Its like USATT limited to readers from within USA only, or JTTA to that of Japan only....
it's not like CTTA shared content is different to ones that reach international news
Zeio, what is your take on it?

It could be a misconfiguration. The official website of Daiki Rubber was once configured to Japan's IP only.

Accessible with China's IP only:
All-China Sports Federation
https://www.sport.org.cn/
Chinese Badminton Association
https://www.cba.org.cn/
China Swimming Association
https://www.swimming.org.cn/
Chinese Tennis Association
http://www.tennis.org.cn/
And more...

Accessible without:
Chinese Football Association
https://www.thecfa.cn/
Chinese Basketball Association
https://www.cba.net.cn/
Chinese Yachting Association
https://www.chinasailing.org.cn/
Chinese Equestrian Association
https://www.c-e-a.org.cn/
China Volleyball Association (hosted by Sina)
http://www.volleychina.org/
And more...

 

[zeio]

MS is not 100% decided yet ?

Scroll up to post #50.

 

[zeio]

First time both the reserve players of MT and WT are not the youngest?

Beijing 2008
MS/MT: WH, MLin, WLQ
MT Ap alternate athlete: CQ
WS/WT: ZYN, WN, GY
WT Ap alternate athlete: LXX

London 2012
MS: WH, ZJK
MT: WH, ZJK, ML
WS: LXX, DN
WT: LXX, DN, GY
MT Ap alternate athlete: XX
WT Ap alternate athlete: LSW

Rio 2016
MS: ML, ZJK
MT: ML, ZJK, XX
WS: LXX, DN
WT: LXX, DN, LSW
MT Ap alternate athlete: FZD
WT Ap alternate athlete: ZYL

Tokyo 2020
MS: ML, FZD
MT: ML, FZD, XX
WS: CM, SYS
WT: CM, SYS, LSW
MT Ap alternate athlete: WCQ
WT Ap alternate athlete: WMY
XD: XX/LSW

Paris 2024
MS: WCQ, FZD
MT: WCQ, FZD, ML
WS: SYS, CM
WT: SYS, CM, WMY
MT Ap alternate athlete: LJK
WT Ap alternate athlete: WYD
XD: WCQ/SYS

 

[NextLevel]

First time both the reserve players of MT and WT are not the youngest?

Beijing 2008
MS/MT: WH, MLin, WLQ
MT Ap alternate athlete: CQ
WS/WT: ZYN, WN, GY
WT Ap alternate athlete: LXX

London 2012
MS: WH, ZJK
MT: WH, ZJK, ML
WS: LXX, DN
WT: LXX, DN, GY
MT Ap alternate athlete: XX
WT Ap alternate athlete: LSW

Rio 2016
MS: ML, ZJK
MT: ML, ZJK, XX
WS: LXX, DN
WT: LXX, DN, LSW
MT Ap alternate athlete: FZD
WT Ap alternate athlete: ZYL

Tokyo 2020
MS: ML, FZD
MT: ML, FZD, XX
WS: CM, SYS
WT: CM, SYS, LSW
MT Ap alternate athlete: WCQ
WT Ap alternate athlete: WMY
XD: XX/LSW

Paris 2024
MS: WCQ, FZD
MT: WCQ, FZD, ML
WS: SYS, CM
WT: SYS, CM, WMY
MT Ap alternate athlete: LJK
WT Ap alternate athlete: WYD
XD: WCQ/SYS

They probably have sufficient access to get all the training partners where they need to be and are juat making sure they have the best team in case a fragile player gets injured.