All Club Level Players need to know the stuff in this video

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Haha, you are a good player, I just try my best and hope you have a bad day. You don't need any tips to make me suffer lol.
I will make a video of me playing you and how difficult the match was.
and you beat me at the end of the day.

going to ask chat gpt to make a script
 
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its a great video.

Im only surprised that the level seems to be so low in Mexico (at least 20 years ago)

Here in Japan USATT2300 equivalent probably wouldn't even get you an entry in the (Junior ?) national champs or even the French championships

He was totally shut down with your serve to his short FH and even on his serve he could only try to hit one FH loop that he missed because your long push was too good
good pick ups from the match, yes even today, the level in mexico internationally isn't super high.
But yes, had he played someone who doesn't hammer him with pressure from the serve and receive + ball after serve, he gets a lot more freedom to shut the opponents down, that he is better than. I saw one short push he did in the match (can't remember if its in this first set or not) and was like oh wow, thats high level (it's all relative i know - but the truth is unless another professional player is on this forum, Olmo would tear the lights outta most if not all, the players here)
 
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I agree. Tony's made his point, and even agrees it's a great video. But unfortunately, the discussion has devolved around this point rather than the core of the content, thus missing the forest for the trees.

Would we react the same way if Lily or Kanak posted a similar video to help club/hobby level players get better?

@Heming Hu ... Thanks ... great video. Looking forward to future content.
stay tuned for set 2 being analysed in depth over the next days on my youtube ;)
I won't be stopping to help you guys as much as I can, at least for as long as I do this job
 
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Naw serving short to FH is a universal tactic at all level and too neglected at our level in my opinion. I’m personally trying to work more on it. Not that I don’t do it match, I certainly do. But I don’t practice it enough , have more precise serves and able to play the next ball. Exactly as HMH says I often have an easy but awkward receive and I’m actually not comfortable dealing with this ball

I’m not sure I understand the other part. OFC the other guy had no real chance against HMH. But I feel he didn’t try as hard or smart as he could to get a couple more points or at least to look better, especially his serves didn’t have any element of surprise while it’s the main chance to score points.
yeah definitely, this is just physics and I like to teach table tennis based on what it really is, rather than what i "think" it is. This is one of those many things, receiving serve with the forehand when it comes short, is often just harder than with the backhand.

I will say, I was surprised how unaggressive he was, in the sense that he didn't really try to put more pressure on me with his receiving game, nor did he try to play stronger after his serve, etc. He had a great long serve that was quite awkward, the 3 sets recorded after that will show them, but I never really felt much danger from him
 
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Most people find it easier to move in when caught off guard and when you have little time, but maybe the reverse is easier for Heming and some other people. Would be nice if he comes back to comment more though he probably has been scared off already lol
Yeah Ive been scared off already man, the anonymous names on the internet are terrifying!! Please help
 
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Well it seems to me his idea was that the tactics would be universal and if a player took that info with them it could help to close the gap on someone higher. That's what I took to be the premise anyway...

But when he says this guy was a Mexican no 3 in 2003 and is now likely "the same level more" that's when I think he lost many of us.

If that's the case Hemings should beat the current Mexico no.1 4-0 without any issues.
I don't think that to be the case.....
the current mexico no1 has lived in Europe most of his life, and is miles ahead of any other mexican, so no.
 
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Most of the replies to comments on the YouTube video are Thank You, but there is one that I think is very well worth reading. On the video, search for the comment from user DannyWeinbaum regarding "needing to win the right way" and then read Heming Hu's very detailed reply.
This idea many amateurs have about "needing to win the right way" was conclusively dealt with by Isle of Wight player and coach George Downing, when he said "A point's a fuckin point, innit?"

There is nothing more to be said.
 
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This idea many amateurs have about "needing to win the right way" was conclusively dealt with by Isle of Wight player and coach George Downing, when he said "A point's a fuckin point, innit?"

There is nothing more to be said.
Well, that depends on what you play the game for. It's like life itself, people have different goals. A point may not be a point for the same reason a dollar may not be a dollar. Most people have a limit as to what they're willing to do to make a buck after all. Of course, if people get mad about losing when they refuse to play in a way that wins them games, then that's their problem.
 
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Yeah Ive been scared off already man, the anonymous names on the internet are terrifying!! Please help
A lot of us are not that anonymous and have posted lots of video of our play on youtube at one point or another. We probably just do it as much because priorities change. But yes, a 2100 player (not even 2300 where these players tend to easily sit) who trained for junior national team in his youth would beat most adults who didn't. That's pretty much expected. Whether any of us would be able to match up with him better by doing the things you suggested in your video is a very open question.
Full disclosure: I didn't watch bc I am not interested. But the validity of my comment doesn't depend on that.

Genetically it is good for people who want to coach online to make more tactics content. Everything one can say about chiquita or forehand open up is out there from Fang Bo and way better players and coaches. No value can be added.

But accessible tactics content is not so common. I coach many adult amateur.low-level club ladies. They don't have the first idea of any tactics. They don't even think when they serve about what ball they want back. It is *by far* very, very far, their easiest quickest least effort path to better results and more fun play.

This is super common at club amateur level.
There are many good reasons for this. I will discuss a couple.

In many cases, tactics are hard to separate from capabilities. Consider me, my best serve combination is a backspin/no spin serve combination. I use it against long pips players a lot to score easy points. Whenever I see a player going up against long pips, I try to tell him to use backspin vs no spin combinations. But since they don't practice heavy backspin and heaavy no spin combinations, the tactics become a waste of time because they are so used to telegraphing their no spin serves and they don't serve backspin as heavy as I do.

The other thing is that basic tactics will appeal to anyone who thinks straightforwardly about strategy in any aspect of life. People who enjoy thinking about TT tactics tend to be people who just like to think strategically and adversarially on regular basis. If you are naturally trying to make yourself play better and make your opponent play worse, tactical and strategic thinking will come naturally to you, you will probably have bought Larry Hodges book on it or read Samson Dubina's tips etc.

Finally, most players who would discuss such things are still competing to some degree so they don't want to give an honest insight into how they think to the whole world so that their opponents know exactly how they think before they do anything, and even the opponents might take offense knowing what the player thinks of their game, weaknesses and strengths. I just talked about my knee issues making it hard to defend forehand balls and Tony has already taken note for when we meet. But if by random chance I win, then my thoughts about what I exploited can be used by Tony the next time and he might not appreciate my frank discussion of his capabilities for others to learn. The tactical plays that work at the highest level are already well defined and a lot comes down to athleticism and ball quality.. So people just want to improve their weapons and will deploy them in match. Largely opponent agnostic.



That said, I'm retired enough and useless enough now that I might think about what you wrote. It might make for a fun youtube channel. I definitely play far more tactically than technically.
 
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Heming's YT materials, in my opinion, are more for the above average club level player ( higher mid-tier ). Even if I look at his video, knowing the theories and whatnots, I could not implement it, simply because I have not acquire the skill set to do it.

On the other hand, Tom Loziak's is more lower mid-tier friendly. They are implementable immediately, at least for me.

My point being: Each YT coach are meant for a certain segment of players. Not all are the same.
 
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I coach many adult amateur.low-level club ladies. They don't have the first idea of any tactics. They don't even think when they serve about what ball they want back. It is *by far* very, very far, their easiest quickest least effort path to better results and more fun play.

This is super common at club amateur level.
Great point. Usually any tactics are better than no tactics. Even bad tactics can be better than no tactics, because trying to do something specific tends to improve accuracy and consistency. And the feedback from a precise intention is naturally more precise and actionable on the next try.

I like Heming's video, especially the effort he made to dissect points via replays. This is probably the most labor intensive way to make a coaching video, but also I think the most useful.
 
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Great point. Usually any tactics are better than no tactics. Even bad tactics can be better than no tactics, because trying to do something specific tends to improve accuracy and consistency. And the feedback from a precise intention is naturally more precise and actionable on the next try.

I like Heming's video, especially the effort he made to dissect points via replays. This is probably the most labor intensive way to make a coaching video, but also I think the most useful.
Yeah but what you like about it is a bit deceptive because of the difference in playing level. When the players are of close or equal playing level or the "worse" player is winning, what he is speaking about is much more instructive because then you can be fairly sure that tactics and not reaction speed, ball quality or pure intimidation are driving what happens.
 
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BTW, Louis Levene has a good channel on youtube where he sometimes takes a match from a lower rated player and discusses both technical and tactical problems from the perspective of a 2300 player and coach looking at their games: Maybe this is what you want, BRS.

 
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Currently the N1 Mexican player is Rogelio CASTRO. If I'm correct, he's actually based in Osaka, Japan.

This year, he participated in the Tokyo Open and lost in best-32 to Hiromu KOBAYASHI (TLeague player - winner of All-Japan's doubles in 2024). KOBAYASHI doesn't have a WR yet.

[best-32 = R6, CASTRO was exempt of R1, he had 4 wins before getting knocked out]
 
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