Russian Players should not be on tour during the War.

[M51]

It is quite baffling to read this thread, to put it mildly, for someone who was born and grew up as a mostly russian-speaker in western Ukraine and whose formative years happened as USSR fell apart and Ukraine became independent.

On one hand you have Ukrainians who actually first hand experienced horrors of this war and continue to experience them on a daily basis. On the other hand, you have people so brainwashed by russian propaganda that they literally deny the lived experience of Ukrainians and see absolutely nothing wrong with telling them what is actually happening in their country and/or engage in banal whataboutism and sophistry...

I suppose this thread does serve a useful purpose - my ignore list more than doubled in length.

See, this is the bad blood I was talking about.

Probably just a taste of what's to come.

 

[piligrim]

Murdering innocent children called fighting with terrorists?

Is morality a completely foreign concept to you?

What about innocent children in Ukraine?

 

[M51]

What about innocent children in Ukraine?

We can do this "what about" nonsense indefinitely, it's why it's called "whataboutism" and it's not gonna win you any internet arguments, that's for sure.

On the other hand, you have people so brainwashed by russian propaganda that they literally deny the lived experience of Ukrainians...

You know what? Western propaganda being downright ridiculous at times may have actually had an opposite effect with many of these people.






Shit like this tends to drive people to seek alternative sources of info.

 

[M51]

How the fu** is he still alive, lol.

Oh...

 

[ToH]

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How the fu** is he still alive, lol.

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Yep, media today get paid on the click often. But we have media from left to right. And you are free to write a blog on excactly anything you want. Most countrys got a Mafia, but Russia is the only place where the mafia got a country.

 

[M51]

Yep, media today get paid on the click often. But we have media from left to right. And you are free to write a blog on excactly anything you want. Most countrys got a Mafia, but Russia is the only place where the mafia got a country.

I wish that were true.

 

[M51]

 

[jk1980]

On one hand you have Ukrainians who actually first hand experienced horrors of this war and continue to experience them on a daily basis. On the other hand, you have people so brainwashed by russian propaganda that they literally deny the lived experience of Ukrainians and see absolutely nothing wrong with telling them what is actually happening in their country

I guess we are all influenced by some kind of propaganda. Nobody denied the experience people from the ukraine have made. Some people who have put in an effort to not only trust one source but rather get multiple angles might have compared the different narratives and followed whos narrative has more flaws and has proven to be wrong or misleading more often than not. If you say the western narrative and the same media that spread lies to people to justify the world several wars (i.e. lies before NATOs yugoslavia war, iraqi weapons of mass detruction...) is the one to trust, then that is your pick and it will affect your life.

Again, nobody denies whatmwas experienced, we just have very different conclusions about the background, the motives and the people controlling it . Nobody denies that ukrainians were hard done by.

Having experienced something does not make you automatically know why things happened. You just know what youngot told.
If we would kidnap a 20 year old chinese person he also would tell us what he experienced in china, but he also would have very interesting explanations for what he experienced, but these would be the propaganda of the Chinese Communist party and these explanations would be vastly different to what we as westerners would think of his experiences and reasons behind it.

Would you claim that the reasoning of the chinese communist party line would be the total truth because somebody from china experienced it themselves and then was given this narrative?

 

[latej]

See, this is the bad blood I was talking about.

Probably just a taste of what's to come.

I still think it was worth it... Keeping it "under wraps" also is not realistic...

Also, it's positive I only needed to add 2 people to the ignore list...

 

[latej]

@NextLevel when I am logged in, I don't see this thread in main-page, when I am logged out, I see the thread. Do you know why is that?

 

[Ninja26Go]

Uhh. What happened here. We should all chill out, like the people you ignore might have different opinions (I have my own opinions on this) but don't ignore them for that, cus they might have some actual TABLE TENNIS info to share later on, and you might not be able to see that cus of this silly quarrel.

 

[Ninja26Go]

Go on then just tell us what the hell the sidorenko should have done? Show some empathy.

Bruh poor guy. Getting flmaed just for being born into a sht country. Not even a sht country just sht politicians. Not even his fault. SILENCE does not equal support. It just means he is scared of getting murdered by his country.

 

[Ninja26Go]

Nobody say he is responsible but this is one of ways influence to russian goverment. But in general people responsible for goverment they have. If nobody voted for Putin we wouldnt get to this. If people in Germany didn't support Hitler we wouldn't get WW2

Bro must be five. Mate they don't "vote" the elections are rigged. It's not the people's fault. How dumb do you have to be to not understand this?

Are they attacked other countries and joined there territories? If China will attack Taiwan then yes

Bruh. Might as well ban ever country that has been to war or will go to war. (Literally every country).

 

[latej]

Uhh. What happened here. We should all chill out, like the people you ignore might have different opinions (I have my own opinions on this) but don't ignore them for that, cus they might have some actual TABLE TENNIS info to share later on, and you might not be able to see that cus of this silly quarrel.

Look, I'm very slow in doing that. And I absolutely don't mind different opinions, really... I acknowledge it e.g. to @Egon and he, we both, are fine with that... In fact, if there were no differing opinions, something would be off... But I do require some "minimum", and that minimum is hard to define, it is not just one dimension... If there is outright stupidity and trolling, it really is a waste of time to read that... Secondly, I require certain humility. If someone positions himself above other people, because they have different opinions, that's a reason for me to not waste the time anymore... And for you - don't worry, I wish them all well, I just can't waste time with it, I'm only a man.

 

[Ninja26Go]

If it weren’t for the courage of our guys and the fact that our people are ready to fight for their freedom and will despite the threat of death, Ukraine would actually become a sacrificial pawn.
After several years of propaganda, torture and murder of Ukrainian activists, millions of Ukrainians would join the russian army invading your peaceful European cities. And then someone else would be writing to you that the Czech Republic has become a sacrificial pawn on the geopolitical map of the world.
And now we have won our right not to be a sacrificial pawn, no matter how much you and the russians would like it.

It is a pawn bruh. Your country is just using propaganda to say it's not. Look, USA wants Ukraine, Russia wants Ukraine. USA makes Ukraine owe them a bunch of money cus of all the "support". Russia obviously is attacking Ukraine. There is no happy ending for them.

 

[Ninja26Go]

This applies to you in full.
Don't watch russian TV, because everything you wrote about in this post is russian propaganda, that has nothing to do with reality.

Mate he isn't from Russia what do you mean Russian TV?

 

[Ninja26Go]

Look, I'm very slow in doing that. And I absolutely don't mind different opinions, really... I acknowledge it e.g. to @Egon and he, we both, are fine with that... In fact, if there were no differing opinions, something would be off... But I do require some "minimum", and that minimum is hard to define, it is not just one dimension... If there is outright stupidity and trolling, it really is a waste of time to read that... Secondly, I require certain humility. If someone positions himself above other people, because they have different opinions, that's a reason for me to not waste the time anymore... And for you - don't worry, I wish them all well, I just can't waste time with it, I'm only a man.

Fair.

 

[latej]

It is a pawn bruh. Your country is just using propaganda to say it's not. Look, USA wants Ukraine, Russia wants Ukraine. USA makes Ukraine owe them a bunch of money cus of all the "support". Russia obviously is attacking Ukraine. There is no happy ending for them.

Well, that is obvious for you... But certain people here, when you say it is NATO vs Russia, they say it is Kremlin propaganda - really (it's hard to grasp)... You see, if you read that, IT IS a waste of time... And maybe later, you'll realize the utility of the "ignore" function.

 

[zeio]

Are they attacked other countries and joined there territories? If China will attack Taiwan then yes

You can't your attack your own country, unlike the US, which can annex Canada. Canada doesn't even recognize the Republic of China, let alone the misnomer Taiwan.

Joint statement of the Canada-China Leaders' Meeting

January 16, 2026
Beijing, China
...
2. Leaders reaffirmed the principles and policies that have guided Canada-China relations. Canada reaffirmed its long-standing commitment to its One China policy.

Government Response to the Second Report of the Special Committee on the Canada-People’s
Republic of China Relationship: Canada and Taiwan: A Strong Relationship in Turbulent Times
https://www.ourcommons.ca/content/C...mentOfForeignAffairsTradeAndDevelopment-e.pdf

For over five decades, the Government of Canada has consistently maintained its One China Policy as
the basis for its conduct of diplomatic relations with the PRC and unofficial relations with Taiwan.
Consistent with this policy, Canada opposes unilateral actions by either side that seek to alter the status
quo across the Taiwan Strait and does not support Taiwan independence. Canada supports constructive
efforts that advance peace, stability and dialogue in the region. This longstanding position remains
unchanged.

 

[NextLevel]

@NextLevel when I am logged in, I don't see this thread in main-page, when I am logged out, I see the thread. Do you know why is that?

You might be ignoring the thread starter.