Table tennis need statistics !

Tommy Lee · Mar 12, 2013

For TT, I'm sure many guys want to get a statistics after the match like basketball, football, tennis and so on, but now it is an extravagant hope for all TT fans because there hadn't been any statistics for a TT match. What a pity !

I often watch tennis, and I like tennis match statistics very much. If I missed watching a match my first choice is to get the match statistics, then I will know the detailed resultes and also I can image how was the match and how is my favorite player playing.

Here is a tennis match statistics (Roger Federer vs Ivan Dodig in BNP PARIBAS OPEN 2013, INDIAN WELLS

), think TT could learn something from this.

In my opinion, TT statistics could including:

Match time

Serve winners (direct got score after serve)

Serve PTS won %

Return PTS won %

First three strokes PTS won %

Rally PTS won %

Unforced errors

Edge ball / Net Ball

Total points Won

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Guys, what's your opinion ?

Dan · Mar 12, 2013

Wow, weird you have just posted about this Tommy. At the weekend I was coaching a youngster, and I told her dad to take down some statistics. The girl often played to many unforced shots and over hitting the ball. So I said take down some stats and she can see where her game is going wrong. That made me think we need this in elite table tennis.

Awesome idea, I wonder if this is not in place already due to more work needed? I wonder if in tennis these stats are automatically made by a computer?

MaLongPower · Mar 12, 2013

I think the amount of long and short serve would be interesting. Placement of the shots on the table (graphic ?!). % amount of forehand backhand used.

Dan · Mar 12, 2013

We could make up some stats ourselves? Would be interesting to know the stats between Ma Long and Yan An in the Qatar Final

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Pongfinity · Mar 12, 2013

Very good idea this. It would be really interesting to know these things about finals etc. The statistics tells quite a lot.

desmondfun · Mar 12, 2013

Yeah, I mentioned about the statistic thing on the other thread about "why table tennis isn't popular".
It is even better if we can have a machine to measure the rotation/spin/speed of the ball.

desmondfun · Mar 12, 2013

And we also need simple statistic such as "HEAD TO HEAD" matchup.
Example... Ma Long vs Zhang Jike head to head wins/loses.

Dan · Mar 12, 2013

desmondfun said:
Yeah, I mentioned about the statistic thing on the other thread about "why table tennis isn't popular".
It is even better if we can have a machine to measure the rotation/spin/speed of the ball.

Measuring ball spin/speed would be amazing, is technology capable in doing this?

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Dan · Mar 12, 2013

desmondfun said:
And we also need simple statistic such as "HEAD TO HEAD" matchup.
Example... Ma Long vs Zhang Jike head to head wins/loses.

The IITF has this already

There is a head to head section on the ITTF site somewhere ill post link when i'm on my laptop later Desmondfun

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jmillsy2 · Mar 12, 2013

desmondfun said:
And we also need simple statistic such as "HEAD TO HEAD" matchup.
Example... Ma Long vs Zhang Jike head to head wins/loses.

they do do that sometimes on the ittf pro tour, the head to head thing, i remember they did it last year on a few.
they will probably do it in the worlds aswell.

Tommy Lee · Mar 12, 2013

Dan said:
Wow, weird you have just posted about this Tommy. At the weekend I was coaching a youngster, and I told her dad to take down some statistics. The girl often played to many unforced shots and over hitting the ball. So I said take down some stats and she can see where her game is going wrong. That made me think we need this in elite table tennis.

Awesome idea, I wonder if this is not in place already due to more work needed? I wonder if in tennis these stats are automatically made by a computer?

I think some tennis stats are automatically made by computer, but some can't. Like unforced errors, seems the computer can't recognize it is a unforced error or just is a error

There are so many stats for tennis, I think if ITTF want to add statistics to TT, these stats are no problem. In tennis there already had machine could measure the spin/speed of the tennis ball, think it is also possible work for TT after do some changes and some new design.

Tommy Lee · Mar 12, 2013

As I know there is a tactics laboratory work for China TT team (also for badminton, taekwondo..) , they will collect all statistics of CNT players (also including opponents

) in many games, then analyzed by a computer. I have seen a report which said the laboratory made 67 articles of the technological analysis for Zhang Jike in last 2 years.

Tinykin · Mar 12, 2013

The Stats suggestion is great. I used to do it when I was cornering for some kids but like every coach that tried it, gave up after a while. Just recording the main points was enough, I think.

Coaches tend to use diagrams to indicate how the game was played. Maybe such a diagrams app could be devised for TV broadcasters.

mrrybnik · Mar 12, 2013

Totally right man. I've never actually thought about something like that, but as you're saying that it sounds really good. I hope one day there'll be something like that

Dan · Mar 12, 2013

Tommy Lee said:
As I know there is a tactics laboratory work for China TT team (also for badminton, taekwondo..) , they will collect all statistics of CNT players (also including opponents ) in many games, then analyzed by a computer. I have seen a report which said the laboratory made 67 articles of the technological analysis for Zhang Jike in last 2 years.

Wow awesome! Do you have the report of this Tommy? I would love to see some of this!

Markvee · Mar 12, 2013

Dan said:
Measuring ball spin/speed would be amazing, is technology capable in doing this?

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Yes, if you add marker points all over the ball. But that would make it easier for the players to read the spin as well.

Tommy Lee · Mar 14, 2013

Dan said:
Wow awesome! Do you have the report of this Tommy? I would love to see some of this!

Here http://sports.cn.yahoo.com/t/ypen/20121224/1508533.html , but it is in Chinese.

Tommy Lee · Mar 14, 2013

Hawk-Eye in tennis

For TT it could help to judge a controversial edge ball

Replay an exciting stroke..

ays4real · Mar 14, 2013

This is a brilliant idea. This will take the game to another level. Excellent!!!

Dan · Mar 14, 2013

Tommy Lee said:
Here http://sports.cn.yahoo.com/t/ypen/20121224/1508533.html , but it is in Chinese.

Wow, wish I could understand that. I hear the Chinese do a lot of research in table tennis. Do you know anyone who would kindly translate some of that text buddy

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