JTTA: Selection System to be Revamped for Paris 2024

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Another great win for Hirano, but come on now ... we all know WMY is the true #2:

 
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Another great win for Hirano, but come on now ... we all know WMY is the true #2:

She will have her chance to earn that rankiing this year in the events leading up to the Olympics.
 
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Hayata says she didn't think she could beat CM and so was late to prepare for SYS, pointing out how Harimoto is truly extraordinary for taking 2 points off of CNT players 2 years ago, and that in order to overcome that wall, she has to defeat those 2 players, and she should have the belief that she absolutely must win. She adds that her chance of beating SYS is next to zero, as the latter is 3 gears above her right now and that she must think of how to get closer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFMwrwsANFg

https://web.archive.org/web/2024012...6343019817&w=yhRHRjM9iODYpRgb-pAyQtzdTLoOyx1W
Hirano on 4-3 Yokoi: When I was behind, I really felt that I couldn't lose here, so I think I was able to play with a really strong feeling until the last ball, which led to the win.

Rui Nakazawa/Wang Rui on Hirano 4-2 Hayata: “I think the emotional part can be evaluated the most. Until now, there were many unforced errors in competitive situations and difficult situations, and there were many patterns of losses, but even after losing the first two games (in the final) today, she didn't waver and was able to maintain what she could do and what she had practiced until the very end.

Her service and receive variations are more diverse than before. In receiving, she often used chiquita, so when that doesn't work, she's become able to do a wide range of things like stop shot [note: really short push] and flick, so I think she was at ease emotionally."

“There are many situations in table tennis. When you are attacked by your opponent, when you attack yourself, and when you attack but cannot score, even if it is 50/50, your opponent may make a mistake, so scoring a point that way is very important. I think it was good that I was able to get her to recognize that part.

Hirano has no choice but to grow. I think that the matches with all the players have become a source of inspiration. I always tell her that the most important thing is to persevere and play until the end, whether it's going well or not."

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/foru...tle=wttc-finals-2022-chengdu-9-3010-9#1131791
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There was a moment when the match was not about skills, but about belief. I really couldn’t lose. I had to carry it. I won with that belief.
 
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Don't know if this was already discussed in this thread but Mizutani made a pretty good point about why Ito wouldn't be an ideal reserve player for the Olympics in this video:


Basically, he said that one of the main duties of the reserve player, since there's a very little chance historically of them being used as substitutes for injured palyers, is to help be a training partner for competing athletes. Because of Ito's unique style and using pips on the backhand, she would be less than ideal to prepare against the double inverted using players of the CNT. I don't know how much of this is expost facto justification for Ito not wanting to be the reserve, but I had never thought of that reason before and it seems logical enough.
 
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Timeline:
First instance of Mizutani's comment about Ito not being suitable as the reserve player
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-442675

Kihara served as sparring partner for Harimoto during WTTC 2024
Ito brought 徳田明梨/TOKUDA Akari? along, a combination player, as the sparring partner for WTTC 2024
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-442675
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-443345
 
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Don't know if this was already discussed in this thread but Mizutani made a pretty good point about why Ito wouldn't be an ideal reserve player for the Olympics in this video:


Basically, he said that one of the main duties of the reserve player, since there's a very little chance historically of them being used as substitutes for injured palyers, is to help be a training partner for competing athletes. Because of Ito's unique style and using pips on the backhand, she would be less than ideal to prepare against the double inverted using players of the CNT. I don't know how much of this is expost facto justification for Ito not wanting to be the reserve, but I had never thought of that reason before and it seems logical enough.
It's all expost justification nonsense. Reserve player is not the only sparring partner on an important team, though the person has the most player access other than actual players. The real issue is whether Ito wants to do it because it is without glamour for someone who has already played on the Olympic team
 
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https://hochi.news/articles/20240225-OHT1T51008.html?page=1
 平野は今大会を8戦全勝で締めた。早田が2番手で五輪女王の陳夢を破り、バトンを受けた第3試合。過去1勝4敗だった世界ランク2位・王芸迪を圧巻のストレートで撃破した。試合後は「こんなに大きい大会で決勝で勝つのは初めてぐらいだったので、すごく自信になった。私が今まで経験してきた中では初めて2―2でラストに回すことができて、最終的には負けてしまったけど、本当にこのチームで戦えて良かった。5人で頑張った結果」と、充実した表情で振り返った。

 絶対女王を追い詰めた経験は、平野の意識も変えた。「今までは負けてどこかでしょうがないという気持ちがあってしまった部分もあった」と素直に明かし、「こんなに悔しいのはみんな初めてだと思う。また次の大会だったり、オリンピックだったりで借りを返せるように、これから頑張っていきたい」。打倒・中国への思いを強め、大会を終えた。
Hirano finished this tournament with 8W0L. She took the baton in the 3rd match after Hayata defeated Olympic Champion Chen Meng in the 2nd match. She defeated World No. 2 Wang Yidi impressively in straight games, against whom she had 1 win and 4 losses in the past. After the match, she said, "It was my first time to win in the final at such a big tournament, so I gained a lot of confidence. It was the first time in my life that I was able to go to the final match with 2-2. Although we lost in the end, I was really glad to be able to compete with this team. It was the result of all 5 of us working hard," she said with a satisfied look on her face.

The experience of cornering the Absolute Queen also changed Hirano's consciousness. "Until now, there was a part of me that felt helpless after losing," she said honestly, adding, "I think this is the first time for any of us to feel this unconvinced. In order to repay the debt at the next competition and the Olympics, etc., I want to do my best from now on." She finished the tournament with a strong desire to defeat China.
 
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Hirano finished this tournament with 8W0L. She took the baton in the 3rd match after Hayata defeated Olympic Champion Chen Meng in the 2nd match. She defeated World No. 2 Wang Yidi impressively in straight games, against whom she had 1 win and 4 losses in the past. After the match, she said, "It was my first time to win in the final at such a big tournament, so I gained a lot of confidence. It was the first time in my life that I was able to go 2-2 in the final. Although we lost in the end, I was really glad to be able to compete with this team. It was the result of all 5 of us working hard," she said with a satisfied look on her face.

The experience of cornering the Absolute Queen also changed Hirano's consciousness. "Until now, there was a part of me that felt helpless after losing," she said honestly, adding, "I think this is the first time for any of us to feel this unconvinced. In order to repay the debt at the next competition and the Olympics, etc., I want to do my best from now on." She finished the tournament with a strong desire to defeat China.
Yes, this has to be the ideal result for Hirano. If she had played two matches and gone 1 - 1, it would not be as much a confidence boost as 3 - 0 WYD and then sit down to cheer for the other two.
 
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2024年2月16日至2月25日国际乒联世界团体乒乓球锦标赛
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8898560780
逆脉启八门 现在想想奥运单打这两个早田跟平野。
单论单打的话,其实平野的心态更容易放开,她的特点就是不稳定,容易爆冷,但是状态好时没有特别克制她的,跟谁都能打一打。
说实话,现在平野打早田跟打国乒的难度也没什么不同,在这种心态下,能爆发小宇宙也不是不可能。


早田则应该抛弃小富即安的思想,保个铜牌是没有任何意义的,要怎么超越伊藤跟平野的过往战绩只能看她自己了。
IP属地:广东12楼2024-02-27 21:39回复
Now think about the two Olympic singles players, Hayata and Hirano.
When it comes to singles, Hirano's mentality is actually easier to let go. Her characteristic is that she is inconsistent and easy to get upset, but when she is in good condition, there is no special restraint on her, and she can fight with anyone.
To be honest, right now for Hirano, the difficulty of playing Hayata is no different from playing the CNT. With this kind of mentality, it is not impossible to break out the small universe.


Hayata should abandon the idea of being content with a small fortune. There is no point in securing a bronze medal. How she can surpass the past records of Ito and Hirano can only depend on her.

逆脉启八门 早田还有就是接发球的问题,老生常谈了。
跟以前打伊藤一样,只要接不好对面的发球,就完全没法打了。

伊藤现在属于无心恋战,发球也懒得研究了。要换以前天天花式研究发球的年代,光前三板也够早田喝一壶的。
早田现在不怎么怕相持,就是不好打前三板好的人,特别是发球好的人。
这次打陈梦也是想各种办法拖到相持阶段才艰难获胜的,不过陈梦下滑有点明显,难以想象一个成名靠相持的中国选手,现在相持拉不过外协了。

还有几个月,看石田卓球那个小球馆有没什么办法了。
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Hayata also has the problem of receiving, which has been flocked to death.
Just like when she played against Ito before, as long as she couldn't receive the opponent's serve, she couldn't play at all.

Ito is now in no mood to play, and she doesn't bother to work on her serve. In the past, when she worked on her serve every day, the 3rd ball alone would be enough for Hayata to handle.
Hayata is not afraid of rallies now, but she just doesn't like those who are good at 3rd balls, especially those who are good at serving.
This time against Chen Meng, she also tried various ways to drag on to the rally stage before winning with difficulty. However, Chen Meng's decline was a bit obvious. It is hard to imagine that a CNT player who became famous through rallies could not win the rallies now.

There are still a few months left, will see what the small club of Ishida Takkyu can come up with.


2024釜山世乒赛讨论帖 (WTTC 2024 Busan Discussion Thread)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8898634441
小城春风 看了几场平野的球,感觉涨球了,最大的变化是心态比以前好,也学会动脑子了。
以前的平野,那是相当的急躁,又不爱动脑,三板斧挺唬人,抡完了就自闭了,输球都是特干脆。
现在明显每个球都在琢磨,战术套路很多,落后也不急,比以前稳定太多了,好。
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After watching a few matches of Hirano, I feel that her game has improved. The biggest change is that her mentality is better than before and she has learned to use her brain.
In the past, Hirano was quite impatient and did not like to use her brain. She was very bluffing with her crude skills. She would become autistic after finishing swinging, and would lose readily.
Now it is obvious that she thinks about every shot, there are many tactical setplays, and she doesn't fret after trailing behind. It is much more consistent than before, which is good.

游在天空的海猫: 回复 小城春风 :平野美宇打莎莎还是有机会的,就像很多人说王艺迪为什么不用正手,上次赢莎莎也是这个说法,主要是平野状态好的时候反手速度太快了,根本拔不出手来。打陈梦状态好的时候也不落下风。反而打王曼昱和陈幸同总是没啥突破
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There is still a chance for Hirano Miu to beat Shasha. Just like many people who said why Wang Yidi didn't use the FH. This was also the case when she beat Shasha last time. The main reason is that when Hirano is in good condition, her backhand is too fast and they couldn't get the FH in at all. When in good condition, she can hold her own when playing Chen Meng. On the contrary, there is always no breakthrough when playing against Wang Manyu and Chen Xingtong.

王艺迪被平野零封了 (Wang Yidi was shut out by Hirano)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8908747618

我不看好张本美和的未来 (I'm not optimistic about Harimoto Miwa's future)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8908886714?pid=149835168709&cid=0#149835148217l
Jnmbx 其实今天最让意外的平野美宇 感觉当年那个天才少女回来一些了 (In fact, Hirano Miu is the most surprising one today. I feel that the prodigy girl from back then is back a little bit)
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老人方法 美和现在给我的感觉就像弱化版早田,早田上限就摆在那里,美和也不会高太多,论对中国队真正的威胁还得是原来的伊藤,现在的平野这种 (Miwa now feels like a weakened version of Hayata to me. Hayata's ceiling is there, and Miwa won't be much higher. The real threat to the CNT is the original Ito, and the current Hirano)
IP属地:湖北来自Android客户端6楼2024-02-25 00:13收起回复

風起时 早田现在最大的问题就是他接发能力,他对球旋转经常会判断不清,这是他很致命的技术漏洞,这也就是为什么他老是赢不了孙颖莎的原因 (Hayata's biggest problem now is her receive. She often cannot judge the ball spin clearly. This is her fatal technical loophole. This is why she can never beat Sun Yingsha)
IP属地:福建来自Android客户端8楼2024-02-25 00:26收起回复

器宗大师兄 张本美和如果能改变接发球保守的问题(早田也一样)俩人的威胁性将是国乒近十年来最大的。要速度有速度要旋转有旋转,差的只是经验而已 (If Harimoto Miwa can change the problem of being conservative when receiving (the same goes for Hayata), the two of them will be the biggest threat to CNT in the next ten years. She has speed and spin, and the only difference is experience)
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不知道为什么吧里那么多人对王艺迪输球反应那么大 (I don’t know why so many people in the bar [TL's note: Tieba] reacted so strongly to Wang Yidi’s loss)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8910293681

王艺迪对平野美宇,从4-0横扫到0-3只用了9个月 (It only took 9 months for Wang Yidi to go from creaming Hirano Miu 4-0 to 0-3)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8911131069

早田 女线稀有的大赛爆种型 (Hayata, a rare big-game player on the women side)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8912642810
贴吧用户_0DK84DK ……没看出爆种,就是实力到那关口了 (...I didn’t see the explosion, her strength has reached that threshold)
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風起时: 也确实,相比之下平野算是暴种的, 但是有时候暴种的选手比那些纯实力的选手更可怕,你看孙颖莎早田打了十几次都没赢,平野打一次就赢了 (That's right. Hirano is indeed a big-game player in comparison, but sometimes big-game players are more terrifying than those players with pure strength. You see, Hayata has played Sun Yingsha more than ten times and has never won once, but Hirano won after just one match)
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镜台非: 就是正常打 (Just playing normally)
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镜台非: 回复 風起时 :平野还是聪明 她打球和早田不一样 外行都能看出来聪明 (Hirano is the smarter one. She plays differently from Hayata. Even a layman can tell that she is smart)
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Yes, this has to be the ideal result for Hirano. If she had played two matches and gone 1 - 1, it would not be as much a confidence boost as 3 - 0 WYD and then sit down to cheer for the other two.
https://youtu.be/6mz9aTW3cI4?t=31622
In G1 between WYD and Hirano, Soo Wai Yam recalls her experience in her first WT (WTTC 2018) on the significance of the 3rd singles and hence the pressure that comes with it (which she thought would be a walk in the park initially), especially when the match score is 1-1, where the 3rd match would determine whether your team leads or trails.

In that sense, Hirano winning the 3rd match is undoubtedly a big boost in confidence, particularly for not giving up like in the past and making a comeback from 3:7 in G3.
 
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Why were they crying?
Because they barely escaped from the fate of creating history and the jaws of public opinion...

As CM said, the responsibility is too great and she couldn't stand losing 2 points.

For SYS, she said these 5 matches really hit the deepest part of their hearts.

For WYD, many Tieba users believe her odds of playing Paris 2024 are 0 after this.
 
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Turns out Watanabe really thought about putting Hayata in 3rd singles against China.

https://youtu.be/bDJhQuwlFtg?t=1211
卓球女子日本代表・渡辺監督、中国戦は「ガチンコで戦わないとパリにつながらない」苦悩の末に王道オーダーに
https://www.chunichi.co.jp/article/859264
 中国との決勝戦では、最年少の15歳、張本美和(木下アカデミー)を1番手に起用し、早田ひな(日本生命)とともに”2点使い”となった。渡辺武弘監督は「今日本の中では早田選手が一番成績を出して、エースの役割をしている。3番に早田を投入して頑張って勝利をもぎ取りたい、というのが頭によぎったが、一晩中考えて違うな、と」と苦悩していたことを明かした。
 「やはりガチンコ勝負で戦わないとパリにつながらない。もし負けても、たくさんの材料を得られると思ったので、王道のオーダーを組んで挑もうと思った」と結論を出した。中国撃破とはならなかったが、「これを絶対に生かして、パリ五輪では勝てたら」と決意を新たにした。
In the final match against China, Harimoto Miwa (Kinoshita Academy), the youngest player at 15 years old, was selected as the 1st singles player [TL's note: 2nd singles for XYZ team], and together with Hayata Hina (Nippon Life Insurance) were used for 2 points. Coach Watanabe Takehiro said, "Right now, Hayata has the best results in Japan and is playing the role of ace. The idea that crossed my mind was to put Hayata in the 3rd singles spot and do our best to snatch victory. However, I thought about it all night and realized that it wasn't right," he said, revealing that he was struggling.
He concluded, "After all, if we don't fight head-on, we won't connect with Paris. Even if we lose, we can gain a lot of material, so we decided to take on the challenge with a king's way lineup." Although he was not able to defeat China, he renewed his resolve, saying, "I want to make the most of this experience and win at the Paris Olympics."
 
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Distribution of 608/700 pts:
Hayata - 243 (8/23=35%)
Hirano - 243 (8/23=35%)
Harimoto - 122 (4/23=17%)
Ito - 63 0 (2/23=9%, < 10% minimum)
Kihara - 28 0 (1/23=4%, < 10% minimum)

Those 243 pts prove significant for Hirano as she moves up 3 spots (from 15 to 12) in Race to Paris 2024 ranking.

RACE TO PARIS 2024
WS
2024 Week #9 - February 27th
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/2024_9_OLYMPICS_WS.html
2024 Week #8 - February 20th
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/2024_8_OLYMPICS_WS.html
MS
2024 Week #9 - February 27th
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/2024_9_OLYMPICS_MS.html
2024 Week #8 - February 20th
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/2024_8_OLYMPICS_MS.html

ITTF TTWR
WS
2024 Week 9 – 27th February
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/2024_9_SEN_WS.html
2024 Week 8 – 20th February
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/2024_8_SEN_WS.html
MS
2024 Week 9 – 27th February
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/2024_9_SEN_MS.html
2024 Week 8 – 20th February
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/2024_8_SEN_MS.html

For future reference:
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/upl...Tennis-World-Ranking-Regulations-20231124.pdf
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/upl...is-World-Ranking-Regulations-FAQ-20231124.pdf
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/upl...Tennis-World-Ranking-Regulations-20231210.pdf
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/upl...Tennis-World-Ranking-Regulations-20240201.pdf
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/upl...Tennis-World-Ranking-Regulations-20240202.pdf
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/upl...Tennis-World-Ranking-Regulations-20240227.pdf
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/upl...is-World-Ranking-Regulations-FAQ-20240227.pdf
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/upl...Tennis-World-Ranking-Regulations-20240304.pdf
 
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A nice boost for Hirano, but she(851 pts) is way behind SYB(1690 pts) for the 4th seed at the Olympics. This is why I don't believe in hiding behind only 'plays well when it matters'. Nonetheless, I have hope for her. She has been playing exceptionally well and is fully capable of winning WTT tournaments. All the best to her.
 
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Given the seeding was based on the July 2021 ranking for Tokyo 2020 (with the June 2021 one used for qualification by world ranking), if the same thing holds for Paris 2024, Hirano still has 8 to 9 chances to replace 6 of her low points, so her situation is less dire than it looks. If anything, she has more potential to gain points. The 400 pts from WTT CT Zagreb 2023 will also expire on 7/2, which means another time for her to step up when it matters.

OTOH, SYB will lose 280 pts from WTT CT Tunis 2023 on 6/25, so she is facing a lot of pressure as well (1410 pts). Given her trajectory in this cycle, it's pretty obvious her body is not the type that can endure this kind of intensity. She is ranked 4th in Olympic qualification ranking right now as a result of careful planning. There is still a lot of uncertainty.

3
7-17 Singapore Smash 2024
27-31 WTT CS Incheon 2024

4
15-21 World Cup 2024

5
1-11 Saudi Smash 2024
20-26 WTT CT Taiyuan 2024
20-26 WTT CT Rio de Janeiro 2024

6
3-9 WTT CT Zagreb 2024
11-16 WTT SCT Ljubljana 2024
17-23 WTT CT Lagos 2024
24-30 WTT CT Tunis 2024

7
2-7 WTT SCT Bangkok 2024
26-11 Paris 2024

https://www.ittf.com/tournament/2909/tokyo-2020-olympic-games/
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20210429_Tokyo2020_RQS_TT_en.pdf
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Tokyo_2020_Table_Tennis_Sport_Specific_FINAL.pdf

https://www.ittf.com/tournament/2603/paris-2024-olympic-games/
https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/Olympic-Games/Paris-2024/Paris2024-QS-Table-Tennis.pdf
 
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